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RE: 2016 Football Recruiting
(12-04-2015 05:59 AM)MemOwl Wrote:  
(12-03-2015 09:20 PM)davidw Wrote:  Oh, so admission standards aren't a factor in Rice recruiting, huh Hawaii ? It's all on Bailiff. I see.........and while we're at it I guess you want to ignore the JUCO issue as being irrelevant as well.

Can you please state your understanding of the JUCO issue in either question form or hypothesis form?

Here is my previously stated hypothesis on JUCO's--If you look across the whole of FBS or across the combination of FBS/FCS, there is an inverse correlation between number of JUCOs and quality of the team.

I would bet a small sum that the four playoff semfinalists collectively will have fewer JUCOs than the average single team in the bottom 10 on Massey FBS ratings. A few selected teams with good coaches win despite heavy reliance on JUCOs, note because of that reliance.

Even more to the point, Rice allows JUCO transfers so what is the issue?
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(12-04-2015 09:36 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I understand that our receivers and DBs are taller than the ones we used to recruit. Is that true? If so, does it indicate an improvement in recruiting?

Not if they are slower
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(12-04-2015 03:15 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(12-04-2015 05:59 AM)MemOwl Wrote:  
(12-03-2015 09:20 PM)davidw Wrote:  Oh, so admission standards aren't a factor in Rice recruiting, huh Hawaii ? It's all on Bailiff. I see.........and while we're at it I guess you want to ignore the JUCO issue as being irrelevant as well.

Can you please state your understanding of the JUCO issue in either question form or hypothesis form?

Here is my previously stated hypothesis on JUCO's--If you look across the whole of FBS or across the combination of FBS/FCS, there is an inverse correlation between number of JUCOs and quality of the team.

I would bet a small sum that the four playoff semfinalists collectively will have fewer JUCOs than the average single team in the bottom 10 on Massey FBS ratings. A few selected teams with good coaches win despite heavy reliance on JUCOs, note because of that reliance.

Even more to the point, Rice allows JUCO transfers so what is the issue?

Think the point is we can't take a lot of the kids that LaTech or USM or Marshall takes to fill out their roster. LaTech had a bunch of kids that didn't even go to class and failed but got to play because it was their first semester. Several missed their bowl because of that if I remember the conference board correctly... We also can't take the 4 and 5 star juco kids from schools like mississippi gulf coast that go to Alabama and Auburn every year as receivers and running backs. Those are all kids that couldn't meet the pathetic NCAA requirements out of HS. Marshall takes up to 5 kids every year that don't meet NCAA requirements because they basically are a JUCO.

EDIT: not saying we want those kids at Rice. It wouldn't be fair for them and I don't think it would be good for the school but let's not act like that doesn't put us at a huge disadvantage when it comes to filling roster spots with athletes. I'm assuming that was his JUCO point.
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(12-04-2015 09:37 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(12-04-2015 06:18 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Losing is okay as long as you have a good enough excuse.
I really don't think anybody here or on the athletic staff believes this.

I think JK is doing his best to weed it out of the department, but it was so entrenched for so long that it will not die an easy death.

And I see posts on here all the time that reflect that thinking to at least some extent.
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(11-23-2015 09:53 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/h...649567.php

Rice commit Jordan Myers scored 4 TD's in Dickinson's upset win over previously undefeated Pearland. I saw his final touchdown in the 4th overtime. The game was a defensive struggle but he still put up big numbers.

An Aggie friend of mine who follows recruiting tells me that Myers will be the steal of the recruiting class for Rice.
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RE: 2016 Football Recruiting
(12-04-2015 05:18 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(12-04-2015 09:37 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(12-04-2015 06:18 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Losing is okay as long as you have a good enough excuse.
I really don't think anybody here or on the athletic staff believes this.

I think JK is doing his best to weed it out of the department, but it was so entrenched for so long that it will not die an easy death.

And I see posts on here all the time that reflect that thinking to at least some extent.

I don't.
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RE: 2016 Football Recruiting
(12-04-2015 06:37 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(12-04-2015 05:18 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(12-04-2015 09:37 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(12-04-2015 06:18 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Losing is okay as long as you have a good enough excuse.
I really don't think anybody here or on the athletic staff believes this.

I think JK is doing his best to weed it out of the department, but it was so entrenched for so long that it will not die an easy death.

And I see posts on here all the time that reflect that thinking to at least some extent.

I don't.

We used to be better in basketball and baseball than we've been lately. It's football where we've been winning more. I'd say the Bobby May era's expectations and ambitions were greater or equal to the current athletic department's.
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I understand that one must take Rivals ratings with a grain of salt, but there is a connection between highly rated recruiting classes and eventual success on the field.

Just glancing at the 2016 commits, Rice has all 2-star recruits (not knowing the game, but I'm assuming that is the lowest level). Meanwhile, Houston has FOUR 4-star commits, and NINE 3-star commits.
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(12-11-2015 10:00 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  I understand that one must take Rivals ratings with a grain of salt, but there is a connection between highly rated recruiting classes and eventual success on the field.

Just glancing at the 2016 commits, Rice has all 2-star recruits (not knowing the game, but I'm assuming that is the lowest level). Meanwhile, Houston has FOUR 4-star commits, and NINE 3-star commits.

UH has by far the top G5 class the last time I looked. One of their 4 stars was a 5 star when he committed to UH. #2 DT in the country.
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(12-11-2015 10:00 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  I understand that one must take Rivals ratings with a grain of salt, but there is a connection between highly rated recruiting classes and eventual success on the field.

Just glancing at the 2016 commits, Rice has all 2-star recruits (not knowing the game, but I'm assuming that is the lowest level). Meanwhile, Houston has FOUR 4-star commits, and NINE 3-star commits.

Look at 247sports, I think they do a better job. At least a couple 3-star players, though still down from the last few years. Of course, Rice has been getting more early commits the last few seasons, and I have a theory that if a guy is a strong commit to Rice early, then he never really gets a fair evaluation from recruiting sites. Not saying that recruiting is doing all that great, last few seasons had more guys with more P5 offers.

Also worth noting that Jordan Myers was named the Houston Touchdown Club offensive player of the year (and only has 2-stars), Sam Glaesmann was the district 12-6A MVP with 3000+ passing yards and 600 rushing yards, and Paxton Segina seemed like he was getting buzz before going down with an injury.
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(12-04-2015 04:09 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(12-04-2015 03:15 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(12-04-2015 05:59 AM)MemOwl Wrote:  
(12-03-2015 09:20 PM)davidw Wrote:  Oh, so admission standards aren't a factor in Rice recruiting, huh Hawaii ? It's all on Bailiff. I see.........and while we're at it I guess you want to ignore the JUCO issue as being irrelevant as well.

Can you please state your understanding of the JUCO issue in either question form or hypothesis form?

Here is my previously stated hypothesis on JUCO's--If you look across the whole of FBS or across the combination of FBS/FCS, there is an inverse correlation between number of JUCOs and quality of the team.

I would bet a small sum that the four playoff semfinalists collectively will have fewer JUCOs than the average single team in the bottom 10 on Massey FBS ratings. A few selected teams with good coaches win despite heavy reliance on JUCOs, note because of that reliance.

Even more to the point, Rice allows JUCO transfers so what is the issue?

Think the point is we can't take a lot of the kids that LaTech or USM or Marshall takes to fill out their roster. LaTech had a bunch of kids that didn't even go to class and failed but got to play because it was their first semester. Several missed their bowl because of that if I remember the conference board correctly... We also can't take the 4 and 5 star juco kids from schools like mississippi gulf coast that go to Alabama and Auburn every year as receivers and running backs. Those are all kids that couldn't meet the pathetic NCAA requirements out of HS. Marshall takes up to 5 kids every year that don't meet NCAA requirements because they basically are a JUCO.

EDIT: not saying we want those kids at Rice. It wouldn't be fair for them and I don't think it would be good for the school but let's not act like that doesn't put us at a huge disadvantage when it comes to filling roster spots with athletes. I'm assuming that was his JUCO point.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-763151.html
Here's a thread over on the CUSA main board about early JUCO signings at USM. Just to compare 4 out of 5 are ranked higher than any of Rice's current commits and we definitely can't take people who are academically ineligible at FSU.
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(12-11-2015 12:15 PM)mrbig Wrote:  
(12-11-2015 10:00 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  I understand that one must take Rivals ratings with a grain of salt, but there is a connection between highly rated recruiting classes and eventual success on the field.

Just glancing at the 2016 commits, Rice has all 2-star recruits (not knowing the game, but I'm assuming that is the lowest level). Meanwhile, Houston has FOUR 4-star commits, and NINE 3-star commits.

Look at 247sports, I think they do a better job. At least a couple 3-star players, though still down from the last few years. Of course, Rice has been getting more early commits the last few seasons, and I have a theory that if a guy is a strong commit to Rice early, then he never really gets a fair evaluation from recruiting sites. Not saying that recruiting is doing all that great, last few seasons had more guys with more P5 offers.

Also worth noting that Jordan Myers was named the Houston Touchdown Club offensive player of the year (and only has 2-stars), Sam Glaesmann was the district 12-6A MVP with 3000+ passing yards and 600 rushing yards, and Paxton Segina seemed like he was getting buzz before going down with an injury.

Bailiff has to find these gems that aren't on anyone else's radar, to speak of. I think Glaesmann is a helluva qb; surprised that Baylor wasn't all over him.
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(12-04-2015 03:15 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(12-04-2015 05:59 AM)MemOwl Wrote:  
(12-03-2015 09:20 PM)davidw Wrote:  Oh, so admission standards aren't a factor in Rice recruiting, huh Hawaii ? It's all on Bailiff. I see.........and while we're at it I guess you want to ignore the JUCO issue as being irrelevant as well.

Can you please state your understanding of the JUCO issue in either question form or hypothesis form?

Here is my previously stated hypothesis on JUCO's--If you look across the whole of FBS or across the combination of FBS/FCS, there is an inverse correlation between number of JUCOs and quality of the team.

I would bet a small sum that the four playoff semfinalists collectively will have fewer JUCOs than the average single team in the bottom 10 on Massey FBS ratings. A few selected teams with good coaches win despite heavy reliance on JUCOs, note because of that reliance.

Even more to the point, Rice allows JUCO transfers so what is the issue?

C'mon Frizzy....did you really mean to ask this question ???
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(12-17-2015 11:06 AM)davidw Wrote:  
(12-04-2015 03:15 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(12-04-2015 05:59 AM)MemOwl Wrote:  
(12-03-2015 09:20 PM)davidw Wrote:  Oh, so admission standards aren't a factor in Rice recruiting, huh Hawaii ? It's all on Bailiff. I see.........and while we're at it I guess you want to ignore the JUCO issue as being irrelevant as well.

Can you please state your understanding of the JUCO issue in either question form or hypothesis form?

Here is my previously stated hypothesis on JUCO's--If you look across the whole of FBS or across the combination of FBS/FCS, there is an inverse correlation between number of JUCOs and quality of the team.

I would bet a small sum that the four playoff semfinalists collectively will have fewer JUCOs than the average single team in the bottom 10 on Massey FBS ratings. A few selected teams with good coaches win despite heavy reliance on JUCOs, note because of that reliance.

Even more to the point, Rice allows JUCO transfers so what is the issue?

C'mon Frizzy....did you really mean to ask this question ???

No, I typed it by accident.

The real issue is that other schools have lower academic standards for athletes than Rice, and therefore will admit athletes - including JUCO's - that Rice would not. That's been true since 1919.

As others have pointed out, the specific tactic of bussing in one-semester-and-done JUCO's has not produced notable and consistent results. This particular concern is being overblown so it can serve as a facile excuse for mediocrity and failure.
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(12-17-2015 11:57 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(12-17-2015 11:06 AM)davidw Wrote:  
(12-04-2015 03:15 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(12-04-2015 05:59 AM)MemOwl Wrote:  
(12-03-2015 09:20 PM)davidw Wrote:  Oh, so admission standards aren't a factor in Rice recruiting, huh Hawaii ? It's all on Bailiff. I see.........and while we're at it I guess you want to ignore the JUCO issue as being irrelevant as well.

Can you please state your understanding of the JUCO issue in either question form or hypothesis form?

Here is my previously stated hypothesis on JUCO's--If you look across the whole of FBS or across the combination of FBS/FCS, there is an inverse correlation between number of JUCOs and quality of the team.

I would bet a small sum that the four playoff semfinalists collectively will have fewer JUCOs than the average single team in the bottom 10 on Massey FBS ratings. A few selected teams with good coaches win despite heavy reliance on JUCOs, note because of that reliance.

Even more to the point, Rice allows JUCO transfers so what is the issue?

C'mon Frizzy....did you really mean to ask this question ???

No, I typed it by accident.

The real issue is that other schools have lower academic standards for athletes than Rice, and therefore will admit athletes - including JUCO's - that Rice would not. That's been true since 1919.

As others have pointed out, the specific tactic of bussing in one-semester-and-done JUCO's has not produced notable and consistent results. This particular concern is being overblown so it can serve as a facile excuse for mediocrity and failure.

I don't think its an overblown issue. I think that strategy works out well for several G5 schools we compete against. It's not an excuse to acknowledge the challenges we face in recruiting, no one on this board wants to lose football games then come back and point at this JUCO issue as an excuse. Just like no one wants to point at the scholarship situation in baseball and say "oh well I guess we won't ever go to Omaha again but at least it's because of that".
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Mark Berman just tweeted a new verbal from an offensive lineman from Coppell. On my phone and can't link.
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Only other offers are from New Mexico and Illinois State. Here is his Hudl http://www.hudl.com/athlete/5273330/uzoma-osuji
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(12-17-2015 01:21 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Only other offers are from New Mexico and Illinois State. Here is his Hudl http://www.hudl.com/athlete/5273330/uzoma-osuji

He seems to move fairly well and is obviously tall and lean. If he weighted around 250 in the video, he could easily carry 300 plus.
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(12-17-2015 01:21 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Only other offers are from New Mexico and Illinois State. Here is his Hudl http://www.hudl.com/athlete/5273330/uzoma-osuji

Rice won a recruiting battle with Illinois State?

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