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So this morning I see a notification that Jason Bourne posted a LinkedIn pulse message: "JMU #2 Top Public Universities in the South"

I of course know better but I read a few of the comments about "great" and "proud" and sure enough some start qualifying the ranking pointing out it's just regional and doesn't include "national" universities. Aside from the fact it doesn't seem grammatically correct to me (shouldn't it be "JMU #2 Top Public University in the South" in singular form?), me thinks it a bit deceptive of mini-Bourne Jr. I'm frankly embarrassed, at the regional level we used to be #1 for years even compared to the private schools, let alone the top public school.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/jmu-2-top...son-bourne

Now we get a public forum for detractors to take pot shots at us and knock us down a few rungs. What is the admin's strategy to get us to the national stage and national recognition? Posts like this? I've heard talk of us already being re-classified as a national level institution due to added doctoral programs, is that true? What else is being done? At a minimum someone should talk to Jason about posting things in proper context.

As much as I'm all about getting athletics to the next level I might be incented to support the education side more if I felt like we were proactively moving up vs backwards (or nowhere at all).
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The reason we dropped behind the Citadel is the number of alumni who give back went from an abysmal 9% to like 7% or 6%. Simple as that.
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Jason Bourne is a joke. I knew him as an undergrad...total tool.
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I was wrong.
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(03-04-2015 09:22 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  We were #1, period, when I enrolled.

Now #6( tie) and #2 public.

Say whatever you want, but in that ranking, we have slipped pretty far.

When were we ever #1 overall? I don't recall this at all. I am pretty sure that Richmond and/or a couple of other private schools have always been ahead of us.
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(03-04-2015 09:43 AM)Dignan Wrote:  
(03-04-2015 09:22 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  We were #1, period, when I enrolled.

Now #6( tie) and #2 public.

Say whatever you want, but in that ranking, we have slipped pretty far.

When were we ever #1 overall? I don't recall this at all. I am pretty sure that Richmond and/or a couple of other private schools have always been ahead of us.

crap, you're right. We were #2, and then Rollins moved ahead of us, then UR was reclassified.

Truly impressive movement from Belmont, who as recently as 2004 was #19. Now #5
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http://www.jmu.edu/jmuweb/general/genera...0658.shtml
Quote:September 1, 2000

HARRISONBURG, Va. – James Madison University, for the seventh year, is the top-rated public regional university in the South and moves up a notch to tie for second place among all Southern regional universities, public and private, in the annual U.S. News & World Report college rankings.

Wikipedia (with a dead link for source) says "The school is nationally recognized for its academics. U.S. News & World Report has ranked JMU as the top public masters-level university in the South (3rd overall) for 16 consecutive years" The source link is dated 8/17/10.

Unless we were reclassified as a masters level university along the way I don't see how both are true considering 16 years from 2010 and 10 years from 2000 are not the same.

Alumni giving only makes up 5% of the composite score so I'm not going to say that caused the downfall. US News Scoring
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(03-04-2015 09:11 AM)2Buck Wrote:  What is the admin's strategy to get us to the national stage and national recognition? Posts like this? I've heard talk of us already being re-classified as a national level institution due to added doctoral programs, is that true? What else is being done? At a minimum someone should talk to Jason about posting things in proper context.

US News Rankings 'Categories' (regional, national, etc.) are based on the Carnegie classification. CARNEGIE HAS NOT RECLASSIFIED SINCE 2010. DO NOT EXPECT OUR REGIONAL STATUS TO CHANGE WITH US NEWS AND REPORT UNTIL THEN.

From the 2010 (2008-2010 data set) Carnegie classification: Basic classification: the number of doctoral degrees is within 5 of the Master's/Doctoral boundary.

So as of 2010 we were a large masters level university.... already on the cusp of awarding enough doctoral degrees to get bumped up.

From US NEWS: National Universities offer a full range of undergraduate majors, plus master's and doctoral programs, and emphasize faculty research.

Without as many high level faculty research programs I would expect we would be reclassified as a doctoral/research university (vs. high or very high research) from Carnegie on the next reclassifcation point. New classifications could be expected this year or next; based on the trend of a new classification listing every 5-6 years from Carnegie (over the last 2 decades). This would put us into a similar classification as Hofstra most likely.....from Carnegie.... not sure with all the other metrics from US News where we would reasonably rank "Nationally".
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(03-04-2015 09:11 AM)2Buck Wrote:  So this morning I see a notification that Jason Bourne posted a LinkedIn pulse message: "JMU #2 Top Public Universities in the South"

I of course know better but I read a few of the comments about "great" and "proud" and sure enough some start qualifying the ranking pointing out it's just regional and doesn't include "national" universities. Aside from the fact it doesn't seem grammatically correct to me (shouldn't it be "JMU #2 Top Public University in the South" in singular form?), me thinks it a bit deceptive of mini-Bourne Jr. I'm frankly embarrassed, at the regional level we used to be #1 for years even compared to the private schools, let alone the top public school.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/jmu-2-top...son-bourne

Now we get a public forum for detractors to take pot shots at us and knock us down a few rungs. What is the admin's strategy to get us to the national stage and national recognition? Posts like this? I've heard talk of us already being re-classified as a national level institution due to added doctoral programs, is that true? What else is being done? At a minimum someone should talk to Jason about posting things in proper context.

As much as I'm all about getting athletics to the next level I might be incented to support the education side more if I felt like we were proactively moving up vs backwards (or nowhere at all).
I agree. Academics ALWAYS come first IMO.
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(03-04-2015 12:49 PM)SWVaJMUfan Wrote:  
(03-04-2015 09:11 AM)2Buck Wrote:  So this morning I see a notification that Jason Bourne posted a LinkedIn pulse message: "JMU #2 Top Public Universities in the South"

I of course know better but I read a few of the comments about "great" and "proud" and sure enough some start qualifying the ranking pointing out it's just regional and doesn't include "national" universities. Aside from the fact it doesn't seem grammatically correct to me (shouldn't it be "JMU #2 Top Public University in the South" in singular form?), me thinks it a bit deceptive of mini-Bourne Jr. I'm frankly embarrassed, at the regional level we used to be #1 for years even compared to the private schools, let alone the top public school.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/jmu-2-top...son-bourne

Now we get a public forum for detractors to take pot shots at us and knock us down a few rungs. What is the admin's strategy to get us to the national stage and national recognition? Posts like this? I've heard talk of us already being re-classified as a national level institution due to added doctoral programs, is that true? What else is being done? At a minimum someone should talk to Jason about posting things in proper context.

As much as I'm all about getting athletics to the next level I might be incented to support the education side more if I felt like we were proactively moving up vs backwards (or nowhere at all).
I agree. Academics ALWAYS come first IMO.

I doubt that anyone in this forum would disagree with you, but I do not see the two as mutually exclusive. It does not have to be an either/or scenario. I believe another state university in another "burg" is a great example. It has always had good programs, but its overall academic profile has improved over the past decades. Ironically, during this time it has also seen a meteoric rise in its athletic reputation too.
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(03-04-2015 09:22 AM)JMU13 Wrote:  Jason Bourne is a joke. I knew him as an undergrad...total tool.

Because of the general anonymity that posters have, a lot of the insults traded on this board have an indirect abstract quality that can at times even seem humorous. Attacking an individual by name is kind of sad.
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(03-04-2015 01:03 PM)Bogey Wrote:  
(03-04-2015 09:22 AM)JMU13 Wrote:  Jason Bourne is a joke. I knew him as an undergrad...total tool.

Because of the general anonymity that posters have, a lot of the insults traded on this board have an indirect abstract quality that can at times even seem humorous. Attacking an individual by name is kind of sad.

Receiving multiple millions of dollars a year from donors but needing 3 years to put together a strategic plan is kind of sad.
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(03-04-2015 01:18 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  
(03-04-2015 01:03 PM)Bogey Wrote:  
(03-04-2015 09:22 AM)JMU13 Wrote:  Jason Bourne is a joke. I knew him as an undergrad...total tool.

Because of the general anonymity that posters have, a lot of the insults traded on this board have an indirect abstract quality that can at times even seem humorous. Attacking an individual by name is kind of sad.

Receiving multiple millions of dollars a year from donors but needing 3 years to put together a strategic plan is kind of sad.

To say the plan isn't finished is wrong. It's obvious they are waiting for ticket purchasing to end so the plan won't negatively effect it.
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(03-04-2015 01:22 PM)HolyCityDuke Wrote:  
(03-04-2015 01:18 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  
(03-04-2015 01:03 PM)Bogey Wrote:  
(03-04-2015 09:22 AM)JMU13 Wrote:  Jason Bourne is a joke. I knew him as an undergrad...total tool.

Because of the general anonymity that posters have, a lot of the insults traded on this board have an indirect abstract quality that can at times even seem humorous. Attacking an individual by name is kind of sad.

Receiving multiple millions of dollars a year from donors but needing 3 years to put together a strategic plan is kind of sad.

To say the plan isn't finished is wrong. It's obvious they are waiting for ticket purchasing to end so the plan won't negatively effect it.

The bait and switch just prior to ticket renewal dates has been coined, "being Bourned" by ATL.
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(03-04-2015 09:22 AM)JMU13 Wrote:  Jason Bourne is a joke. I knew him as an undergrad...total tool.

But he's got a totally badass name though
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So for 2014 we had an acceptance rate of 66% in order to maintain numbers (yield is declining) and we had 850 fewer applications (due to our student fees I am sure). 2013 had a 60.54% acceptance rate. Middle 50% SAT score range is 1050-1220 vs. last years 1060-1240. Average SAT lower now as well 1141 from 1152. I am surprised we are rated as high as #2 frankly.

For a University to be cited as an "up and comer" over the last 15+ years it seems like we have only moved backwards. Getting into JMU now is probably easier than George Mason....we have come a long way from being easily recognized as the third best public university in the Commonwealth to now. Whatever the administration is selling in terms of both academics and sports...people are just not buying it! I always thought that part of the University's mission was to increase the value of an alumni's diploma. Is it really any surprise why our giving rate is so low?
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(03-05-2015 08:15 PM)Dukes 92 Wrote:  So for 2014 we had an acceptance rate of 66% in order to maintain numbers (yield is declining) and we had 850 fewer applications (due to our student fees I am sure). 2013 had a 60.54% acceptance rate. Middle 50% SAT score range is 1050-1220 vs. last years 1060-1240. Average SAT lower now as well 1141 from 1152. I am surprised we are rated as high as #2 frankly.

For a University to be cited as an "up and comer" over the last 15+ years it seems like we have only moved backwards. Getting into JMU now is probably easier than George Mason....we have come a long way from being easily recognized as the third best public university in the Commonwealth to now. Whatever the administration is selling in terms of both academics and sports...people are just not buying it! I always thought that part of the University's mission was to increase the value of an alumni's diploma. Is it really any surprise why our giving rate is so low?

Your numbers don't match mine. Sources or your data years are wrong.

Let me link you the most recent data.

http://www.jmu.edu/admissions/fastfacts.shtml
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(03-04-2015 01:18 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  
(03-04-2015 01:03 PM)Bogey Wrote:  
(03-04-2015 09:22 AM)JMU13 Wrote:  Jason Bourne is a joke. I knew him as an undergrad...total tool.

Because of the general anonymity that posters have, a lot of the insults traded on this board have an indirect abstract quality that can at times even seem humorous. Attacking an individual by name is kind of sad.

Receiving multiple millions of dollars a year from donors but needing 3 years to put together a strategic plan is kind of sad.

So now the fellow JMU alum son of the atheletic director, who isn't on here to defend himself is fair game to completely dog because of frustrations towards our schools decisions.
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(03-05-2015 08:15 PM)Dukes 92 Wrote:  So for 2014 we had an acceptance rate of 66% in order to maintain numbers (yield is declining) and we had 850 fewer applications (due to our student fees I am sure). 2013 had a 60.54% acceptance rate. Middle 50% SAT score range is 1050-1220 vs. last years 1060-1240. Average SAT lower now as well 1141 from 1152. I am surprised we are rated as high as #2 frankly.

For a University to be cited as an "up and comer" over the last 15+ years it seems like we have only moved backwards. Getting into JMU now is probably easier than George Mason....we have come a long way from being easily recognized as the third best public university in the Commonwealth to now. Whatever the administration is selling in terms of both academics and sports...people are just not buying it! I always thought that part of the University's mission was to increase the value of an alumni's diploma. Is it really any surprise why our giving rate is so low?

You're free to spout nonsense, but your conclusions extrapolated from admission numbers are domonstrably wrong.

Firstly, your statement "Whatever the administration is selling in terms of both academics and sports...people are just not buying it!" (besides being flat wrong) is just plain silly. I give you an ever increasing student enrollment of over 20,000 and an incoming Freshman class of over 4,000 as proof you have absolutely zero idea of what you're talking about.

Secondly, you are quite right to hope that your diploma would be held in increasingly high regard by those you come into contact, yet once again, demonstrable proof that your statement misses the mark is to be found in the numerous national publications and polls that consistently rank JMU as an extraordinary educational experience and outstanding value. Just this last week the Theatre program was identified as the 9th best Liberal Arts Theatre Program in the country (in large part because of the Forbes Ctr. and the success our students have in national theatre competitions). These accolades for JMU are increasing, not diminishing, and collectively have elevated JMU into rarified (and envied) territory in the realm of American public universities.

Still, I would submit that the value of your diploma (and the increasingly high regard you hope is attached to it) comes most directly from and through your own actions. You (and your fellow graduates) have the opportunity to personally demonstrate everyday to others that the "higher education" you received at JMU sets you apart and above the graduates from other insitutions. How well you accomplish your personal goals in life post-graduation as a JMU alum is the real measure of the value of your diploma.

Lastly, your non-sequitur (posed as a rhetorical question) suggesting historical giving rates by JMU alums are somehow tied to the insitution's current admission profile is just plain loco. JMU's present admissions profile is the result of an intentionally planned and well-managed growth to meet the needs of the Commonwealth of VA. The byproduct of this planned growth has nearly doubled the size of the student body since you graduated (based on your ID I'm assuming that date was 1992 for you), and has increased the size of the living alumni pool by at least 20%.

Since the time of your graduation I hope you've done extraordinarily well, and that your professional aspirations and dreams are coming true. If your ability to give back to JMU has grown since you graduated, and you count JMU as part of the reason for your success, it would only be normal that you would want to help assure that other present day JMU students have an even better quality of education than you experienced. Who knows, that experience might even include low-level FBS football. Most of us on this board certainly feel that way, and I certainly hope you are putting money where your heart rests. Yet, let's take a look at the big picture...the raw numbers as it reflects larger enrollments, admission profiles and giving rates.

7% of 20,000 (today's enrollment) is more than 7% of 11,000 (the enrollment in 1992). Agreed? Yet, while the larger number of presently enrolled JMU students continues to dramatically grow the alumni base, the percentage of those giving has remained the same. Yet, based on your notion that lower admission standards have led to the present 7% of those giving, you would have to assume that the initial number of givers would have been higher in 1992. But the percentage of givers has remained the same, suggesting something other than admission numbers are the root cause. Indeed, the simple fact is, the present admission profile has nothing to do with present percentage of those who give, and the reason(s) for the lower than desired giving rate remain something of an enigma.

I assume that any JMU fan posting on this board is truly interested in the wellfare of the insitution. Clearly, '92 you're interested and concerned, and for that I thank you. Still, your concern about admissions is misplaced. One way to enhance the quality of students looking to enroll at JMU and the value of your diploma is to provide the kind of financial support that makes JMU an even better deal. For example, JMU is moving to establish not just an "Honors Program" but an "Honors College." That takes $$, and lots of it. If JMU had the means and ways, JMU could seek to provide the kind of financial incentives to attract substantial numbers of National Merit Scholarship recipients. That would make a national splash if we bought 80-100 NMS kids. Or perhaps if JMU had the means through the generosity of its forward thinking benefactors, the institution could establish significantly more distinguished and endowed professorships to attract and hold up for public consumption and bragging rights. Just think what impact would be made on JMU's profile if we boasted a number of Nobel, Pulitzer, Fields or Pritzer Prize winners on its faculty?Again, anything is possible, if the money is there.

In the meantime, look in the mirror and ask yourself what you can do (in your daily life at home and at work) about how your JMU diploma is indeed the manifestation of a superior learning experience. That doesn't require you to send a dime to JMU, but it's the best way to represent. 04-cheers
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