That's the "problem" with TK,if you want to call it a problem, he's too good (way too good) to fire, but may not be good enough to ever get you where you want to go. I don't know exactly how many years he's been a D-1 head coach, but I do know exactly how many times he's been in the NCAA tournament.

(03-03-2015 09:41 PM)toledobigmike Wrote:  We've won 46 games and counting in two seasons and you're hinting at replacing our coach?!?! That's INSANE! Get a grip.

This.

i hear there's a really hot assistant coach at notre dame who might be available

I dont prefer his coaching style thats all... And if we do slip to .500 he should be on the hot seat. Championship or bust. I'm not saying he wont get one. But if he cant why keep him around. Coaches in this league I like are Miami's and BG's. Kids press, play hard, box out, trail the floor... I mean come on. How many times are we gona let teams go coast to coast on a steal and let them get the rebound on a miss and put it back up with no Toledo players on that side of half court!

(03-04-2015 08:09 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I dont prefer his coaching style thats all... And if we do slip to .500 he should be on the hot seat. Championship or bust. I'm not saying he wont get one. But if he cant why keep him around. Coaches in this league I like are Miami's and BG's. Kids press, play hard, box out, trail the floor... I mean come on. How many times are we gona let teams go coast to coast on a steal and let them get the rebound on a miss and put it back up with no Toledo players on that side of half court!

Yet, against BSU TK was stroking out while screaming at Drummond about his lackadaisical efforts to get back on D. What more should he do? Players have to respond. And I think we're one of the top teams in the league, if not THE top, in rebound margin. SOMEBODY must be boxing out.

(03-03-2015 09:55 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 09:29 PM)T4C8 Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 08:58 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 08:54 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  He needs to get mad at refs, get mad at his players when they mess up. Be mad we have 6 conference losses. If he isnt mad, then he isnt coaching enough for his players to mess up and get mad about. Either he isnt adressing guarding Simon, or he should be livid! Be mad when we take poor shots offensively! Be mad when we dont box out!!!!!!

Glad as heck I didnt go to CMU to watch us blow a large first half lead in a jiffy to get beat as bad as we have been beaten all season. This team can win the MAC tourney no doubt. But we've played good probably 4 times all year. That is unacceptable.

I feel bad for the 4 members of the Blue Crew who made the trip. I'm sure they're getting a bunch of crap as they're right near the rowdy student section.

I dont, Blue Crew is annoying these days

Curious, what makes you think that? What has changed?

Maybe I'm just getting old and cranky, but I cant stand the nonstop yelling insults at the opposing team/players. It was the worst 2 or so years ago, but i dont sit by them as much lately so i just have a sample size this year.

(03-04-2015 09:15 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 08:09 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I dont prefer his coaching style thats all... And if we do slip to .500 he should be on the hot seat. Championship or bust. I'm not saying he wont get one. But if he cant why keep him around. Coaches in this league I like are Miami's and BG's. Kids press, play hard, box out, trail the floor... I mean come on. How many times are we gona let teams go coast to coast on a steal and let them get the rebound on a miss and put it back up with no Toledo players on that side of half court!

Yet, against BSU TK was stroking out while screaming at Drummond about his lackadaisical efforts to get back on D. What more should he do? Players have to respond. And I think we're one of the top teams in the league, if not THE top, in rebound margin. SOMEBODY must be boxing out.

What he should do is send a real message to the players by giving them a seat at the end of the bench, until the player understands what is expected of him. It is like a parent telling a child not to do something, but not having a consequence ready if the child does it again. Good coaches know that playing times is very important to any player. It won't take long for the players to understand they have to listen and do what the coach tells them to do. Words don't get through to someone if they are allowed to make the same mistakes over and over without a consequence. The message will get through clearly in a very short period of time.

(03-03-2015 09:41 PM)toledobigmike Wrote:  We've won 46 games and counting in two seasons and you're hinting at replacing our coach?!?! That's INSANE! Get a grip.

I agree it is ridiculous to even hint at firing the coach. The bigger concern I have it hat I feel the team has peaked and we have nothing to be optimistic about next year. I don't see really any talent on this team after this year.

(03-04-2015 09:57 AM)BDV27 Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 09:41 PM)toledobigmike Wrote:  We've won 46 games and counting in two seasons and you're hinting at replacing our coach?!?! That's INSANE! Get a grip.

I agree it is ridiculous to even hint at firing the coach. The bigger concern I have it hat I feel the team has peaked and we have nothing to be optimistic about next year. I don't see really any talent on this team after this year.

Some random thoughts:

1. The last two teams have been incredibly healthy. We haven't had to go through the injuries many other MAC teams have had to deal with. Luck?

2. We are getting no scoring from our bench. Beyond the starting five, no player has stepped up and shown he could be the next big scorer, and it's not because the haven't gotten the minutes. Of course, with the opportunity to start, who knows what may happen.

3. Mosely and Hall seem to be the most likely to be bigger contributors next year.

4. Coach K's teams at UT have been based, to a large extent, on transfers who were able to contribute immediately. That well has run dry.

5. The incoming freshman class has to make a big splash or we could be looking at a .500 season.

6. There's always football. Oh, I forgot, there are plenty of problems there too. Just check out the "fire the coaching staff" threads.

(03-04-2015 09:57 AM)BDV27 Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 09:41 PM)toledobigmike Wrote:  We've won 46 games and counting in two seasons and you're hinting at replacing our coach?!?! That's INSANE! Get a grip.

I agree it is ridiculous to even hint at firing the coach. The bigger concern I have it hat I feel the team has peaked and we have nothing to be optimistic about next year. I don't see really any talent on this team after this year.

That's why finding good recruits that slip through the cracks and building depth is so key. I really like this year's class. Knapke and Adway are two forwards that should do well and could move into the rotation right away. Sanford is a scorer and it'll be interesting to see how that translates at the college leve. I don't know much about White.

Next year's rotation will be interesting. The depth might not be there right away and the team won't be as talented as it is this year, but I wouldn't say there's nothing to be optimistic about. Juice is a special player and it won't be fair to expect somebody to fully replicate what he has been able to do, but I think Mosley is very capable of being a good guard in the MAC. It's clear that Lauf will move into Drummond's role. The interesting spot is the 4 to replace JD. Will they go undersized with Hall and Williams (neither has shown a ton in limited minutes)? Will Garber and Boothe play together? How quickly will the incoming freshmen be incorporated into that spot?

(03-04-2015 10:34 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 09:57 AM)BDV27 Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 09:41 PM)toledobigmike Wrote:  We've won 46 games and counting in two seasons and you're hinting at replacing our coach?!?! That's INSANE! Get a grip.

I agree it is ridiculous to even hint at firing the coach. The bigger concern I have it hat I feel the team has peaked and we have nothing to be optimistic about next year. I don't see really any talent on this team after this year.

Some random thoughts:

1. The last two teams have been incredibly healthy. We haven't had to go through the injuries many other MAC teams have had to deal with. Luck?

2. We are getting no scoring from our bench. Beyond the starting five, no player has stepped up and shown he could be the next big scorer, and it's not because the haven't gotten the minutes. Of course, with the opportunity to start, who knows what may happen.

3. Mosely and Hall seem to be the most likely to be bigger contributors next year.

4. Coach K's teams at UT have been based, to a large extent, on transfers who were able to contribute immediately. That well has run dry.

5. The incoming freshman class has to make a big splash or we could be looking at a .500 season.

6. There's always football. Oh, I forgot, there are plenty of problems there too. Just check out the "fire the coaching staff" threads.

Great post.

(03-04-2015 10:34 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 09:57 AM)BDV27 Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 09:41 PM)toledobigmike Wrote:  We've won 46 games and counting in two seasons and you're hinting at replacing our coach?!?! That's INSANE! Get a grip.

I agree it is ridiculous to even hint at firing the coach. The bigger concern I have it hat I feel the team has peaked and we have nothing to be optimistic about next year. I don't see really any talent on this team after this year.

Some random thoughts:

1. The last two teams have been incredibly healthy. We haven't had to go through the injuries many other MAC teams have had to deal with. Luck?

2. We are getting no scoring from our bench. Beyond the starting five, no player has stepped up and shown he could be the next big scorer, and it's not because the haven't gotten the minutes. Of course, with the opportunity to start, who knows what may happen.

3. Mosely and Hall seem to be the most likely to be bigger contributors next year.

4. Coach K's teams at UT have been based, to a large extent, on transfers who were able to contribute immediately. That well has run dry.

5. The incoming freshman class has to make a big splash or we could be looking at a .500 season.

6. There's always football. Oh, I forgot, there are plenty of problems there too. Just check out the "fire the coaching staff" threads.

1.) True
2.) It's on the minutes. Hall has looked great lately... @WMU and @CMU, he scores in his small opportunities to do so. He's a little out of control but he finishes at the rack! He should have had two more yesterday if it wasn't for a stupid block call before the shot.... Lauf isn't a scorer, never has been. Every starter averages over 10 points. Scoring isn't our problem, we can't have 8 guys in double figures.
3.) Maybe
4.)Boothe and Juice... it's all you can do when you inherit a god aweful program. Other guys he recruited (Mosely, Jon Jon, Garber, Lauf, Hall) are still young. You're referring to Drum and JD that's really it. Applewhite never played.
5.) Agree totally. Can anyone teach Jon Jon to shoot the ball higher than the rim?
6.) I started this thread because there is always an excuse in his press conferences... at home he says oh we have everything still ahead of us. On the road he says its tough to win in this league on the road... DONT BLOW 4 HOME GAMES THEN! I don't want him fired, but I want him to lead by example. Bench guys that aren't going on the game plan. What is he saying in timeouts when we leave a guy open for 4 threes. Hows come the next guy that leaves him open isn't getting benched imidiately???

(03-04-2015 09:15 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 08:09 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I dont prefer his coaching style thats all... And if we do slip to .500 he should be on the hot seat. Championship or bust. I'm not saying he wont get one. But if he cant why keep him around. Coaches in this league I like are Miami's and BG's. Kids press, play hard, box out, trail the floor... I mean come on. How many times are we gona let teams go coast to coast on a steal and let them get the rebound on a miss and put it back up with no Toledo players on that side of half court!

Yet, against BSU TK was stroking out while screaming at Drummond about his lackadaisical efforts to get back on D. What more should he do? Players have to respond. And I think we're one of the top teams in the league, if not THE top, in rebound margin. SOMEBODY must be boxing out.

But Drummond started the next game. Should have started lauf, half the talent, twice the hustle.

You're referring to Drum and JD that's really it.

Rian Pearson and Matt Smith????????

(03-04-2015 11:07 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:   You're referring to Drum and JD that's really it.

Rian Pearson and Matt Smith????????

And Curtis Dennis played well for one very pivotal transitional season.

He brought Rian with him. Its still his recruit... Smith may have been from UWGB as well. You're acting like we are the yankees, aquirig guys that other teams built. We have had plenty of tallent. Lots have transferred elsewhere. But our team has two transfers playing out of 9 guys. I bet thats low for MAC standards.

Smith was also from WGB.

(03-04-2015 01:29 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  Smith was also from WGB.

Yes, Smith and Pierson transferred together.

There was also Dominique Buckley who helped Coach K "hang a banner" in 2013 despite protests by the MAC Office.

(03-04-2015 09:15 AM)T4C8 Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 09:55 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 09:29 PM)T4C8 Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 08:58 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 08:54 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  He needs to get mad at refs, get mad at his players when they mess up. Be mad we have 6 conference losses. If he isnt mad, then he isnt coaching enough for his players to mess up and get mad about. Either he isnt adressing guarding Simon, or he should be livid! Be mad when we take poor shots offensively! Be mad when we dont box out!!!!!!

Glad as heck I didnt go to CMU to watch us blow a large first half lead in a jiffy to get beat as bad as we have been beaten all season. This team can win the MAC tourney no doubt. But we've played good probably 4 times all year. That is unacceptable.

I feel bad for the 4 members of the Blue Crew who made the trip. I'm sure they're getting a bunch of crap as they're right near the rowdy student section.

I dont, Blue Crew is annoying these days

Curious, what makes you think that? What has changed?

Maybe I'm just getting old and cranky, but I cant stand the nonstop yelling insults at the opposing team/players. It was the worst 2 or so years ago, but i dont sit by them as much lately so i just have a sample size this year.

Good thing you're not a Duke fan! Or a fan of any other team with an actual student section. Trust me, it's a lot worse when there's a whole section of students standing in a student section. Without the Blue Crew, Toledo has nothing, in terms of student support. I have a hard time calling a bunch of students sitting down playing on their phones the entire time 'student support.' They don't even stand when JD throws down the hammer.