(03-03-2015 05:43 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  So, if Pastner isn't canned at the end of this season, we're going to judge next year's performance on what, exactly? He has to make a Final Four or lose his job? Elite Eight? Sweet Sixteen?

Look at the standard we have now. You think our administration/boosters are going to go from what we've had since 2009-10 to firing someone because he doesn't win three games in the tournament? I don't see it.

It's what 80's Tiger is talking about, and I agree with him. Just enough will still be enough. I can't see Bowen firing him if he makes it to the tournament and beats a 25th ranked team by two points again. If you think firing him would look bad now, how would that look?

I think the longtime fans had better become accustomed to a top 30-70 type of program. This implies having a decent enough regular season to get a crappy NCAAT seed where we usually won’t survive the first weekend.

In other words about what we’ve seen the past 4 seasons. Thing is many fans are perfectly satisfied with this and some have said so here. Having the Lawsons next season will increase the chances for a good season. But if their season is too good one or both may be 1-and-done.

(03-03-2015 06:38 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 05:43 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  So, if Pastner isn't canned at the end of this season, we're going to judge next year's performance on what, exactly? He has to make a Final Four or lose his job? Elite Eight? Sweet Sixteen?

Look at the standard we have now. You think our administration/boosters are going to go from what we've had since 2009-10 to firing someone because he doesn't win three games in the tournament? I don't see it.

It's what 80's Tiger is talking about, and I agree with him. Just enough will still be enough. I can't see Bowen firing him if he makes it to the tournament and beats a 25th ranked team by two points again. If you think firing him would look bad now, how would that look?

I think the longtime fans had better become accustomed to a top 30-70 type of program. This implies having a decent enough regular season to get a crappy NCAAT seed where we usually won’t survive the first weekend.

In other words about what we’ve seen the past 4 seasons. Thing is many fans are perfectly satisfied with this and some have said so here. Having the Lawsons next season will increase the chances for a good season. But if their season is too good one or both may be 1-and-done.

Maybe you're right. We've accepted ISIS. I guess the question for this generation will be, "How bad does it have to get before the peasants revolt?"

(03-03-2015 06:49 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 06:38 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 05:43 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  So, if Pastner isn't canned at the end of this season, we're going to judge next year's performance on what, exactly? He has to make a Final Four or lose his job? Elite Eight? Sweet Sixteen?

Look at the standard we have now. You think our administration/boosters are going to go from what we've had since 2009-10 to firing someone because he doesn't win three games in the tournament? I don't see it.

It's what 80's Tiger is talking about, and I agree with him. Just enough will still be enough. I can't see Bowen firing him if he makes it to the tournament and beats a 25th ranked team by two points again. If you think firing him would look bad now, how would that look?

I think the longtime fans had better become accustomed to a top 30-70 type of program. This implies having a decent enough regular season to get a crappy NCAAT seed where we usually won’t survive the first weekend.

In other words about what we’ve seen the past 4 seasons. Thing is many fans are perfectly satisfied with this and some have said so here. Having the Lawsons next season will increase the chances for a good season. But if their season is too good one or both may be 1-and-done.

Maybe you're right. We've accepted ISIS. I guess the question for this generation will be, "How bad does it have to get before the peasants revolt?"

We should have flushed the B52’s when ISIS was massed in no man’s land at the Syrian Iraqi border. Could have blown them to bits while they were in the open.

As for this generation who knows. Nothing to do but wait and see.

Or Pastner gets next year...because of money. Maybe he has a good year, maybe a bad, maybe a meh. If he has a good year, he will be on the first rail out of town, if he has a bad or meh year, we look at finances and make a decision.

(03-03-2015 06:38 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 05:43 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  So, if Pastner isn't canned at the end of this season, we're going to judge next year's performance on what, exactly? He has to make a Final Four or lose his job? Elite Eight? Sweet Sixteen?

Look at the standard we have now. You think our administration/boosters are going to go from what we've had since 2009-10 to firing someone because he doesn't win three games in the tournament? I don't see it.

It's what 80's Tiger is talking about, and I agree with him. Just enough will still be enough. I can't see Bowen firing him if he makes it to the tournament and beats a 25th ranked team by two points again. If you think firing him would look bad now, how would that look?

I think the longtime fans had better become accustomed to a top 30-70 type of program. This implies having a decent enough regular season to get a crappy NCAAT seed where we usually won’t survive the first weekend.

In other words about what we’ve seen the past 4 seasons. Thing is many fans are perfectly satisfied with this and some have said so here. Having the Lawsons next season will increase the chances for a good season. But if their season is too good one or both may be 1-and-done.

Lol. KJ stands as much chance as going early as Jake McDowell. Which is 0 percent.

(03-02-2015 11:53 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  Circumstances and all others. Would be much more pleasant for average poster. And anti-Pastner, SEC trolls, not really fans and just bitter people can devour each other. Or they would have NOTHING to post about.

As it stands now, every thread gets hijacked by anti-Pastner posts and wisecracks. Can't dicuss anything rationally, even things having nothing to do with JP.

Probably need 3 boards. Pro/Con/Rational

(03-03-2015 01:47 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 01:37 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 01:02 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 12:53 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  I imagine if Pastner is here next year that it is an all in scenario - for him, boosters, fans, etc.

He will have to have a deep NCAA tourney run and not get blown out at the end of it.

It's a tremendously high pressure situation with very little wiggle room.

Tough, tough spot to be in.

I agree, and if it's an all in scenario; the question becomes whether the school allows him to do it his way, or has an intervention of sorts, and forces him to hire an X&O's guy.

I was told that he had an Xs and Os guy lined up but the lawson scenario changed those plans.

I hadn't hear that and I doubt that it's true. You can have as many coaches on the bench as you like. The only restrictions involve how many are allowed to go on the road to recruit.

Meaning they couldn't get an x/o guy because they had to hire Lawson. NCCA won't allow schools to hire "player getters" in non-coaching positions.

(03-03-2015 11:03 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 06:38 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 05:43 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  So, if Pastner isn't canned at the end of this season, we're going to judge next year's performance on what, exactly? He has to make a Final Four or lose his job? Elite Eight? Sweet Sixteen?

Look at the standard we have now. You think our administration/boosters are going to go from what we've had since 2009-10 to firing someone because he doesn't win three games in the tournament? I don't see it.

It's what 80's Tiger is talking about, and I agree with him. Just enough will still be enough. I can't see Bowen firing him if he makes it to the tournament and beats a 25th ranked team by two points again. If you think firing him would look bad now, how would that look?

I think the longtime fans had better become accustomed to a top 30-70 type of program. This implies having a decent enough regular season to get a crappy NCAAT seed where we usually won’t survive the first weekend.

In other words about what we’ve seen the past 4 seasons. Thing is many fans are perfectly satisfied with this and some have said so here. Having the Lawsons next season will increase the chances for a good season. But if their season is too good one or both may be 1-and-done.

Lol. KJ stands as much chance as going early as Jake McDowell. Which is 0 percent.

You don’t know this. Have a good regular season, make a good run at the dance, and with a little luck your chances can go up dramatically.

This happens every year like clockwork.

(03-04-2015 09:26 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 11:03 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 06:38 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 05:43 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  So, if Pastner isn't canned at the end of this season, we're going to judge next year's performance on what, exactly? He has to make a Final Four or lose his job? Elite Eight? Sweet Sixteen?

Look at the standard we have now. You think our administration/boosters are going to go from what we've had since 2009-10 to firing someone because he doesn't win three games in the tournament? I don't see it.

It's what 80's Tiger is talking about, and I agree with him. Just enough will still be enough. I can't see Bowen firing him if he makes it to the tournament and beats a 25th ranked team by two points again. If you think firing him would look bad now, how would that look?

I think the longtime fans had better become accustomed to a top 30-70 type of program. This implies having a decent enough regular season to get a crappy NCAAT seed where we usually won’t survive the first weekend.

In other words about what we’ve seen the past 4 seasons. Thing is many fans are perfectly satisfied with this and some have said so here. Having the Lawsons next season will increase the chances for a good season. But if their season is too good one or both may be 1-and-done.

Lol. KJ stands as much chance as going early as Jake McDowell. Which is 0 percent.

You don’t know this. Have a good regular season, make a good run at the dance, and with a little luck your chances can go up dramatically.

This happens every year like clockwork.

here?

(03-03-2015 10:20 PM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  Or Pastner gets next year...because of money. Maybe he has a good year, maybe a bad, maybe a meh. If he has a good year, he will be on the first rail out of town, if he has a bad or meh year, we look at finances and make a decision.

Maybe the boosters don't want to "run" Pastner after one horrid season because of the impression that would give Coach Fuente?

Just a theory... and I'm not fully committed to it.

(03-04-2015 11:46 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 10:20 PM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  Or Pastner gets next year...because of money. Maybe he has a good year, maybe a bad, maybe a meh. If he has a good year, he will be on the first rail out of town, if he has a bad or meh year, we look at finances and make a decision.

Maybe the boosters don't want to "run" Pastner after one horrid season because of the impression that would give Coach Fuente?

Just a theory... and I'm not fully committed to it.

I think Fuente knows what time it is lol

(03-04-2015 11:46 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 10:20 PM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  Or Pastner gets next year...because of money. Maybe he has a good year, maybe a bad, maybe a meh. If he has a good year, he will be on the first rail out of town, if he has a bad or meh year, we look at finances and make a decision.

Maybe the boosters don't want to "run" Pastner after one horrid season because of the impression that would give Coach Fuente?

Just a theory... and I'm not fully committed to it.

All coaches know that if you don't get results under some timetable, you are gone. Fuente knows that he had to improve this year...that he wildly exceeded expectations was a bonus. But he knew he had to do better than his previous seasons. All young coaches do. The debate here is whether or not Josh has improved as a coach enough to justify him being retained. My personal opinion is that the writing was on the wall when he flamed out last year. Others can and do disagree. But whichever side of that fence you land on the money matters more than anything. If you think Josh sucks and can't coach, well T.S. can't have the money to buy him out, hire another coach AND give football and realignment the attention they need. If on the other hand, you think Josh is about to have a calipari like run and become the next Coach K, T.S. under that scenario we could not afford to keep him and some other program will be the beneficiary of those talents. We have wonderful boosters who are all about doing what is in the best interest of the University, but the resources are finite and must be prioritized appropriately. Right now the priorities are Realignment and football and then Basketball.

(03-04-2015 10:19 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 09:26 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 11:03 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 06:38 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 05:43 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  So, if Pastner isn't canned at the end of this season, we're going to judge next year's performance on what, exactly? He has to make a Final Four or lose his job? Elite Eight? Sweet Sixteen?

Look at the standard we have now. You think our administration/boosters are going to go from what we've had since 2009-10 to firing someone because he doesn't win three games in the tournament? I don't see it.

It's what 80's Tiger is talking about, and I agree with him. Just enough will still be enough. I can't see Bowen firing him if he makes it to the tournament and beats a 25th ranked team by two points again. If you think firing him would look bad now, how would that look?

I think the longtime fans had better become accustomed to a top 30-70 type of program. This implies having a decent enough regular season to get a crappy NCAAT seed where we usually won’t survive the first weekend.

In other words about what we’ve seen the past 4 seasons. Thing is many fans are perfectly satisfied with this and some have said so here. Having the Lawsons next season will increase the chances for a good season. But if their season is too good one or both may be 1-and-done.

Lol. KJ stands as much chance as going early as Jake McDowell. Which is 0 percent.

You don’t know this. Have a good regular season, make a good run at the dance, and with a little luck your chances can go up dramatically.

This happens every year like clockwork.

here?

Anywhere. KJ is NOT a one and done. Have you seen him play? Do you know how many American CBB players are real one and dones?

(03-04-2015 12:44 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 10:19 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 09:26 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 11:03 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 06:38 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  I think the longtime fans had better become accustomed to a top 30-70 type of program. This implies having a decent enough regular season to get a crappy NCAAT seed where we usually won’t survive the first weekend.

In other words about what we’ve seen the past 4 seasons. Thing is many fans are perfectly satisfied with this and some have said so here. Having the Lawsons next season will increase the chances for a good season. But if their season is too good one or both may be 1-and-done.

Lol. KJ stands as much chance as going early as Jake McDowell. Which is 0 percent.

You don’t know this. Have a good regular season, make a good run at the dance, and with a little luck your chances can go up dramatically.

This happens every year like clockwork.

here?

Anywhere. KJ is NOT a one and done. Have you seen him play? Do you know how many American CBB players are real one and dones?

Of the players who qualify physically as one and doners, some aren't ready emotionally for the next level of competition. It drags down their physical play.

I'm thinking about the prime example, Cousins, because I used to watch that team a lot when Tyreke was there. lol. Cousins was in no way ready for the NBA.

(03-04-2015 12:44 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 10:19 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 09:26 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 11:03 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 06:38 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  I think the longtime fans had better become accustomed to a top 30-70 type of program. This implies having a decent enough regular season to get a crappy NCAAT seed where we usually won’t survive the first weekend.

In other words about what we’ve seen the past 4 seasons. Thing is many fans are perfectly satisfied with this and some have said so here. Having the Lawsons next season will increase the chances for a good season. But if their season is too good one or both may be 1-and-done.

Lol. KJ stands as much chance as going early as Jake McDowell. Which is 0 percent.

You don’t know this. Have a good regular season, make a good run at the dance, and with a little luck your chances can go up dramatically.

This happens every year like clockwork.

here?

Anywhere. KJ is NOT a one and done. Have you seen him play? Do you know how many American CBB players are real one and dones?

I mentioned KJ because he was part of the Lawson brothers. I know he is not fully polished but this wasn’t the point. Every season player’s stock rise and fall during the NCAA tournament. Some highly rated players will falter while some virtually unknowns will rise.

This happens every year. Unfortunately in the last 5 years none of our players have had this opportunity because we haven’t made it past the first weekend. So maybe next year’s team can break out, go on a run in March and showcase their talents.

(03-04-2015 12:51 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 12:44 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 10:19 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 09:26 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 11:03 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  Lol. KJ stands as much chance as going early as Jake McDowell. Which is 0 percent.

You don’t know this. Have a good regular season, make a good run at the dance, and with a little luck your chances can go up dramatically.

This happens every year like clockwork.

here?

Anywhere. KJ is NOT a one and done. Have you seen him play? Do you know how many American CBB players are real one and dones?

Of the players who qualify physically as one and doners, some aren't ready emotionally for the next level of competition. It drags down their physical play.

I'm thinking about the prime example, Cousins, because I used to watch that team a lot when Tyreke was there. lol. Cousins was in no way ready for the NBA.

Cousins is still not mature but at least he has managed to stay in the league. Many 1-and-done players end up in the D league or overseas.

Cousins was ready for the NBA before Kentucky.

Since when did the NBA become the scale of maturity? If that's the case then every team is going to need professional babysitters.

(03-04-2015 01:10 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 12:51 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 12:44 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 10:19 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 09:26 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  You don’t know this. Have a good regular season, make a good run at the dance, and with a little luck your chances can go up dramatically.

This happens every year like clockwork.

here?

Anywhere. KJ is NOT a one and done. Have you seen him play? Do you know how many American CBB players are real one and dones?

Of the players who qualify physically as one and doners, some aren't ready emotionally for the next level of competition. It drags down their physical play.

I'm thinking about the prime example, Cousins, because I used to watch that team a lot when Tyreke was there. lol. Cousins was in no way ready for the NBA.

Cousins is still not mature but at least he has managed to stay in the league. Many 1-and-done players end up in the D league or overseas.

Yea..But he seems to have gotten better. He was trying his azz off to get on that Olympic Team.

When he first arrived in Sacramento they did many features on him and had players like Tyreke commenting on his moody Freakouts. Tyreke laughed and said something like the big feller takes it personal...everytime he get a foul call, he takes it personal.

Funny thing is, Cousins got likeable as time went on. I saw him sitting on the floor holding little sick kids--he was the kindest most gentle soul imaginable.

He did run off a head coach, but the guy probably needed to go. lol.

(03-04-2015 01:16 PM)RheaJ Wrote:  Cousins was ready for the NBA before Kentucky.

Since when did the NBA become the scale of maturity? If that's the case then every team is going to need professional babysitters.

Lol the assistant coaches ARE the babysitters. Last season I saw a couple of them holding Cousins to keep him from going to the scorer’s table and arguing with the refs.

(03-04-2015 01:02 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 12:44 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 10:19 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(03-04-2015 09:26 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 11:03 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  Lol. KJ stands as much chance as going early as Jake McDowell. Which is 0 percent.

You don’t know this. Have a good regular season, make a good run at the dance, and with a little luck your chances can go up dramatically.

This happens every year like clockwork.

here?

Anywhere. KJ is NOT a one and done. Have you seen him play? Do you know how many American CBB players are real one and dones?

I mentioned KJ because he was part of the Lawson brothers. I know he is not fully polished but this wasn’t the point. Every season player’s stock rise and fall during the NCAA tournament. Some highly rated players will falter while some virtually unknowns will rise.

This happens every year. Unfortunately in the last 5 years none of our players have had this opportunity because we haven’t made it past the first weekend. So maybe next year’s team can break out, go on a run in March and showcase their talents.

KJ is not and will not be ready physically. Think of very slender Bobby Parks but without the frame to put on a lot of weight.