Tuesday 3/3
Ohio(4-12) @ Buffalo(10-6), 7:00pm ESPN3
Toledo(11-5) @ Central Michigan(11-5), 7:00pm ESPN3
Eastern Michigan(6-10) @ Ball State(2-14), 7:00pm FullCT/ESPN3
Kent State(10-6) @ Bowling Green(11-5), 7:00pm FullCT
Akron(9-7) @ Miami (7-9), 7:00pm
Western Michigan(9-7) @ Northern Illinois(6-10), 8:00pm ESPN3

Friday 3/6
Akron @ Kent State, 7:00pm ESPN2/WatchESPN
Bowling Green @ Buffalo, 7:00pm ESPN3
Miami @ Ohio, 7:00pm
Northern Illinois @ Ball State, 7:00pm
Toledo @ Eastern Michigan, 7:00pm
Central Michigan @ Western Michigan, 7:00pm

It may be a little early for this, but do any of you know the order of criteria for tiebreakers (after head-to-head)? Specifically, a couple of scenarios:

- Tiebreaker between two teams from the same division that split during the season (for example, if WMU and CMU were to both finish 11-7)

- Order of criteria for tiebreakers involving three or more teams

The UB-BG game should be the one on ESPN2. Might be playing for a Division Title on Friday night.

Bg is gona lose the last two. Theyre not that good. UB will win out. Toledo will get one more win at least. WMU and CMU could split, be 0-2, or 2-0. Kent should win at least 1.

(03-02-2015 09:08 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Bg is gona lose the last two. Theyre not that good. UB will win out. Toledo will get one more win at least. WMU and CMU could split, be 0-2, or 2-0. Kent should win at least 1.

If your first sentence is true your last is superfluous.

(03-02-2015 09:57 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 09:08 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Bg is gona lose the last two. Theyre not that good. UB will win out. Toledo will get one more win at least. WMU and CMU could split, be 0-2, or 2-0. Kent should win at least 1.

If your first sentence is true your last is superfluous.

He also had BG losing out 6 games ago lol, so take that for what its worth.

(03-02-2015 08:32 AM)BullBoy Wrote:  The UB-BG game should be the one on ESPN2. Might be playing for a Division Title on Friday night.

Which unfortunately means nothing in this current system, other than a higher seed than that 1 other team.

(03-02-2015 12:08 AM)The Colonel Wrote:  It may be a little early for this, but do any of you know the order of criteria for tiebreakers (after head-to-head)? Specifically, a couple of scenarios:

- Tiebreaker between two teams from the same division that split during the season (for example, if WMU and CMU were to both finish 11-7)

- Order of criteria for tiebreakers involving three or more teams

Someone corrected me if I am wrong because the following was correct 3 or 4 years ago, I assume its the same:

If WMU and CMU were to split games and finish with the same record, it would then go to the record of WMU and CMU against the Top Seed. For example if WMU went 1-1 vs Toledo (assuming Toledo was #1 in conference) and CMU went 0-2, then WMU would get it. Lets say they are both 1-1 vs Toledo, then you could find both of their records against the #2 overall seed. You would keep going down the list of seeds until there was a difference. And I do believe this goes by winning percentage. I am not sure what the 3rd tiebreaker but in reality you would never need to go beyond this second one.

For three teams, you take their shared record against each other. For example, lets say CMU, WMU, and BG were all tied at the end of the year. Then you figure out CMU's record against WMU and EMU, and WMU's record against CMU and EMU, and EMU's record against CMU and WMU. Then you compare the winning percentages of the 3. If there is a tie after that, I think you go to the 2-team tiebreaker idea of comparing their records against the top seeds. Example, lets say CMU, EMU, Miami-OH, and Buffalo all had the same records at the end of the year, and the records of each team against the other 3 were:

CMU 4-2
Miami-OH 3-3
WMU 3-3
EMU 2-4

Obviously CMU and EMU would be the top and bottom, and Miami-OH/WMU would be decided by whoever had the better winning percentage against the highest seed in the conference.

(03-02-2015 12:23 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 12:08 AM)The Colonel Wrote:  It may be a little early for this, but do any of you know the order of criteria for tiebreakers (after head-to-head)? Specifically, a couple of scenarios:

- Tiebreaker between two teams from the same division that split during the season (for example, if WMU and CMU were to both finish 11-7)

- Order of criteria for tiebreakers involving three or more teams

Someone corrected me if I am wrong because the following was correct 3 or 4 years ago, I assume its the same:

If WMU and CMU were to split games and finish with the same record, it would then go to the record of WMU and CMU against the Top Seed. For example if WMU went 1-1 vs Toledo (assuming Toledo was #1 in conference) and CMU went 0-2, then WMU would get it. Lets say they are both 1-1 vs Toledo, then you could find both of their records against the #2 overall seed. You would keep going down the list of seeds until there was a difference. And I do believe this goes by winning percentage. I am not sure what the 3rd tiebreaker but in reality you would never need to go beyond this second one.

For three teams, you take their shared record against each other. For example, lets say CMU, WMU, and BG were all tied at the end of the year. Then you figure out CMU's record against WMU and EMU, and WMU's record against CMU and EMU, and EMU's record against CMU and WMU. Then you compare the winning percentages of the 3. If there is a tie after that, I think you go to the 2-team tiebreaker idea of comparing their records against the top seeds. Example, lets say CMU, EMU, Miami-OH, and Buffalo all had the same records at the end of the year, and the records of each team against the other 3 were:

CMU 4-2
Miami-OH 3-3
WMU 3-3
EMU 2-4

Obviously CMU and EMU would be the top and bottom, and Miami-OH/WMU would be decided by whoever had the better winning percentage against the highest seed in the conference.

Yes, you are correct!

(03-02-2015 12:13 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 09:57 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 09:08 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Bg is gona lose the last two. Theyre not that good. UB will win out. Toledo will get one more win at least. WMU and CMU could split, be 0-2, or 2-0. Kent should win at least 1.

If your first sentence is true your last is superfluous.

He also had BG losing out 6 games ago lol, so take that for what its worth.

After getting throttled at home vs. Miami it was a granted statement. They may end up 2-4 in their last run through the East. Do you think they will beat Kent or UB?

(03-02-2015 12:45 PM)RocketBBallFan Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 12:23 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 12:08 AM)The Colonel Wrote:  It may be a little early for this, but do any of you know the order of criteria for tiebreakers (after head-to-head)? Specifically, a couple of scenarios:

- Tiebreaker between two teams from the same division that split during the season (for example, if WMU and CMU were to both finish 11-7)

- Order of criteria for tiebreakers involving three or more teams

Someone corrected me if I am wrong because the following was correct 3 or 4 years ago, I assume its the same:

If WMU and CMU were to split games and finish with the same record, it would then go to the record of WMU and CMU against the Top Seed. For example if WMU went 1-1 vs Toledo (assuming Toledo was #1 in conference) and CMU went 0-2, then WMU would get it. Lets say they are both 1-1 vs Toledo, then you could find both of their records against the #2 overall seed. You would keep going down the list of seeds until there was a difference. And I do believe this goes by winning percentage. I am not sure what the 3rd tiebreaker but in reality you would never need to go beyond this second one.

For three teams, you take their shared record against each other. For example, lets say CMU, WMU, and BG were all tied at the end of the year. Then you figure out CMU's record against WMU and EMU, and WMU's record against CMU and EMU, and EMU's record against CMU and WMU. Then you compare the winning percentages of the 3. If there is a tie after that, I think you go to the 2-team tiebreaker idea of comparing their records against the top seeds. Example, lets say CMU, EMU, Miami-OH, and Buffalo all had the same records at the end of the year, and the records of each team against the other 3 were:

CMU 4-2
Miami-OH 3-3
WMU 3-3
EMU 2-4

Obviously CMU and EMU would be the top and bottom, and Miami-OH/WMU would be decided by whoever had the better winning percentage against the highest seed in the conference.

Yes, you are correct!

i thought the tiebreak would be decided between Miami and Western in this example by head-to-head between the two schools and then if that didn't break the tie, they would go to how they did against the 1 seed, then the 2 seed, etc.

After head to head, it goes to division record. See mac west last season

(03-02-2015 02:51 PM)T4C8 Wrote:  After head to head, it goes to division record. See mac west last season

This would be a new format, are you sure about this because in the past it was record vs the highest seed?

maybe it was different, because they were the teams going for top seed, but that is how i remembered it

(03-02-2015 01:52 PM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 12:45 PM)RocketBBallFan Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 12:23 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 12:08 AM)The Colonel Wrote:  It may be a little early for this, but do any of you know the order of criteria for tiebreakers (after head-to-head)? Specifically, a couple of scenarios:

- Tiebreaker between two teams from the same division that split during the season (for example, if WMU and CMU were to both finish 11-7)

- Order of criteria for tiebreakers involving three or more teams

Someone corrected me if I am wrong because the following was correct 3 or 4 years ago, I assume its the same:

If WMU and CMU were to split games and finish with the same record, it would then go to the record of WMU and CMU against the Top Seed. For example if WMU went 1-1 vs Toledo (assuming Toledo was #1 in conference) and CMU went 0-2, then WMU would get it. Lets say they are both 1-1 vs Toledo, then you could find both of their records against the #2 overall seed. You would keep going down the list of seeds until there was a difference. And I do believe this goes by winning percentage. I am not sure what the 3rd tiebreaker but in reality you would never need to go beyond this second one.

For three teams, you take their shared record against each other. For example, lets say CMU, WMU, and BG were all tied at the end of the year. Then you figure out CMU's record against WMU and EMU, and WMU's record against CMU and EMU, and EMU's record against CMU and WMU. Then you compare the winning percentages of the 3. If there is a tie after that, I think you go to the 2-team tiebreaker idea of comparing their records against the top seeds. Example, lets say CMU, EMU, Miami-OH, and Buffalo all had the same records at the end of the year, and the records of each team against the other 3 were:

CMU 4-2
Miami-OH 3-3
WMU 3-3
EMU 2-4

Obviously CMU and EMU would be the top and bottom, and Miami-OH/WMU would be decided by whoever had the better winning percentage against the highest seed in the conference.

Yes, you are correct!

i thought the tiebreak would be decided between Miami and Western in this example by head-to-head between the two schools and then if that didn't break the tie, they would go to how they did against the 1 seed, then the 2 seed, etc.

Yes, that is correct. I missed that when I first read it. In the above scenario with CMU, Miami, WMU, and EMU, the first tiebreaker for Miami and WMU would be head to head record. Then, they would move on to the next tiebreaker.

(03-02-2015 03:12 PM)T4C8 Wrote:  maybe it was different, because they were the teams going for top seed, but that is how i remembered it

Yes, division record only comes into play when breaking a tie between teams tied atop the division, as UT and WMU were last year.

(03-02-2015 03:58 PM)RocketBBallFan Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 03:12 PM)T4C8 Wrote:  maybe it was different, because they were the teams going for top seed, but that is how i remembered it

Yes, division record only comes into play when breaking a tie between teams tied atop the division, as UT and WMU were last year.

Oh wow I did not know this, I guess being an NIU fan there has not been a need to know this for awhile. Learn something new every day!

What confuses me though , what if you have a tie for the West division at the top but have the East division tied between two teams too? How do you discriminate between those 4 teams

(03-02-2015 04:25 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  What confuses me though , what if you have a tie for the West division at the top but have the East division tied between two teams too? How do you discriminate between those 4 teams

That is a good question. They might just look at the head to head record between the three teams. For example, if UT, CMU, and BG end up tied for first. In this scenario, they would look at each team's record against the other two teams.

I am not sure if division record would come into play for CMU and UT or not.

(03-02-2015 05:44 PM)RocketBBallFan Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 04:25 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  What confuses me though , what if you have a tie for the West division at the top but have the East division tied between two teams too? How do you discriminate between those 4 teams

That is a good question. They might just look at the head to head record between the three teams. For example, if UT, CMU, and BG end up tied for first. In this scenario, they would look at each team's record against the other two teams.

I am not sure if division record would come into play for CMU and UT or not.

Kind of embarrassing, no documentation on the MAC site for this scenario with tiebreakers