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(03-04-2015 09:17 AM)XLance Wrote:  The more information that comes out, it is more and more obvious that the decisions were not made in the Athletic department, yet nobody has investigated why it was necessary to grease the path of black students toward graduation.

The athletic department was clearly strong-arming other departments. Did you bother reading the last link?
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(03-04-2015 09:40 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(03-04-2015 09:17 AM)XLance Wrote:  The more information that comes out, it is more and more obvious that the decisions were not made in the Athletic department, yet nobody has investigated why it was necessary to grease the path of black students toward graduation.

The athletic department was clearly strong-arming other departments. Did you bother reading the last link?

Didn't need to read the link, I've been following this mess like stink on 01-rivals since it started.
If you guys would stay away from the platitudes and actually learn something about the situation, you might be singing a different tune.
The University has been trying to pin this on Athletics since the Athletic Department discovered the problem and brought it to public attention.
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(03-04-2015 09:34 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-04-2015 09:17 AM)XLance Wrote:  The more information that comes out, it is more and more obvious that the decisions were not made in the Athletic department, yet nobody has investigated why it was necessary to grease the path of black students toward graduation.

was it ALL black students, or just/mainly black student athletes?
That's a huge distinction!

1) Not even just black student athletes. Tyler Hansbrough took the fake Swahili classes too.

2) One of the huge things that stands out on the letter from Kevin Guskiewicz is that he cc'd Dick Baddour & John Bunting. So much for the AD and coaching staff(s) not knowing anything about cheating to keep athletes eligible.
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(03-04-2015 10:09 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-04-2015 09:40 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(03-04-2015 09:17 AM)XLance Wrote:  The more information that comes out, it is more and more obvious that the decisions were not made in the Athletic department, yet nobody has investigated why it was necessary to grease the path of black students toward graduation.

The athletic department was clearly strong-arming other departments. Did you bother reading the last link?

Didn't need to read the link, I've been following this mess like stink on 01-rivals since it started.
If you guys would stay away from the platitudes and actually learn something about the situation, you might be singing a different tune.
The University has been trying to pin this on Athletics since the Athletic Department discovered the problem and brought it to public attention.

If by "Athletic Department" you mean Marvin Austin's twitter feed maybe you're right.

Quote:May 29, 2010: Football star Mavin Austin’s Twitter posts from a Memorial Day party at an exclusive Miami Beach nightclub raise suspicion of possible NCAA violations for “impermissible benefits.

June 7, 2010: UNC receives an official NCAA Letter of Inquiry, beginning the NCAA’s investigation into the Tar Heels’ football program.”

http://acc.blogs.starnewsonline.com/4442...c-scandal/

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(03-04-2015 08:58 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(03-03-2015 08:02 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Deflect deflect deflect. Deny deny deny. Move along move along move along. Ignore ignore ignore.

Sounds like a blanket statement for most scandals, nothing unique to UNC

But as has been repeatedly stated, that flies in stark contrast to this false carolina way crap. They are talking out of both ends of their arse.

(03-04-2015 09:34 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-04-2015 09:17 AM)XLance Wrote:  The more information that comes out, it is more and more obvious that the decisions were not made in the Athletic department, yet nobody has investigated why it was necessary to grease the path of black students toward graduation.

was it ALL black students, or just/mainly black student athletes?
That's a huge distinction!

Didn't the figures suggest something like 50% of the students in these classes were athletes? In other words, a far higher percentage than UNC's overall enrollment. Athletes seem to have been quite obviously steered towards these non-courses. It doesn't appear to have anything at all to do with the non-athlete black students on campus.

(03-04-2015 09:17 AM)XLance Wrote:  The more information that comes out, it is more and more obvious that the decisions were not made in the Athletic department, yet nobody has investigated why it was necessary to grease the path of black students toward graduation.

So basically you're saying it was an even BIGGER issue than an athletic one. It was an institutional issue, and a lack of institutional control over a course of two decades and thousands of students, including an inordinate number of athletes? Oh, ok. That is so much better.
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Looks like the NCAA is drawing up a new rule - we'll call it the UNC rule!

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...duct-works
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(03-04-2015 03:34 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Looks like the NCAA is drawing up a new rule - we'll call it the UNC rule!

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...duct-works

You might be interested in this story too!

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...emic-fraud
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(03-04-2015 04:04 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-04-2015 03:34 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Looks like the NCAA is drawing up a new rule - we'll call it the UNC rule!

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...duct-works

You might be interested in this story too!

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...emic-fraud

A PackPride poster (TheGooch1) phrased an excellent response to that CBSSports article. I'm going to post it here as it states my thoughts very well:

Quote:Nice word-smithing by the scumbag NCAA lawyer. This is not and has never been a case of UNC student-athletes not taking full advantage of academic and athletic opportunities. They were never given genuine academic opportunities. Countless emails and first-person interviews prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the UNC athletes were told specifically what fake classes to take and when to take them. Student-athletes who asked about real classes were denied this opportunity and told to take fake ones.

While the NCAA may not have to ensure every student-athlete takes advantage of academic opportunities, their entire existence is predicated on the notion that NCAA student-athletes have real, actual access to a genuine education. In the case of their member institution UNC, they failed miserably. The NCAA should have one of two choices: 1.) Hammer the **** out of the Heels for not providing its student-athletes access to a real education or 2.) Admit that their whole reason for existing is a lie.
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Apparently, Sports Illustrated has an article coming out today on the UNC scandal. It may feature insider information. Just in time for the Heels first ACC Tournament game.
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http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...stleblower

Quote:The University of North Carolina will pay a $335,000 settlement to Mary Willingham, the former learning specialist who was the whistleblower in the school's academic fraud case.

Willingham filed suit against the school with claims she was retaliated against and demoted for drawing attention to the nearly two-decade fraud.

The Raleigh News & Observer received a copy of the signed settlement from Heydt Philbeck, Willimgham's attorney, on Monday. The case has been settled and closed.

"We believe the settlement is in the best interest of the university and allows us to move forward and fully focus on other important issues," UNC spokesman Rick White said in a statement to the paper.

According to the report, Willingham, who made about $60,000 in annual salary, said she will receive the equivalent of three years' salary after legal fees are paid.

"It gets me out far enough that I will be able to get a job," Willingham said, according to The News & Observer.

Willingham initially raised her concerns about the low reading levels of student-athletes, with research that showed a majority of the 180 athletes tested could not read at a high school level. The eventual investigation led to awareness of "paper classes" that never met and earned students high grades for papers, regardless of their quality.

Willingham resigned amid the scandal. She sued UNC in 2014, with claims of a hostile work environment and retaliation. She sought her job back in her suit, but that was not part of the settlement.
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Willingham's legal team shopped for and got the State Court Judge they wanted. The University had about as much chance for a fair trial as Maryland did in their case vs. the ACC.
It was the University's lawyers that suggested the settlement (it will save the University several millions of dollars). The bonus for the University is that if anything else comes about with this case, it will have to be tried in Federal Court. We won't see Willingham in Federal Court where the University would get a fair trial.
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(03-17-2015 05:47 PM)XLance Wrote:  Willingham's legal team shopped for and got the State Court Judge they wanted. The University had about as much chance for a fair trial as Maryland did in their case vs. the ACC.
It was the University's lawyers that suggested the settlement (it will save the University several millions of dollars). The bonus for the University is that if anything else comes about with this case, it will have to be tried in Federal Court. We won't see Willingham in Federal Court where the University would get a fair trial.

I agree. UNC and Willingham will not meet in Federal Court where the University would get a fair trial. UNC will pay Willingham whatever it takes to prevent that. They apparently have. The last thing UNC wants is a fair trial.
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(03-17-2015 10:40 PM)opossum Wrote:  
(03-17-2015 05:47 PM)XLance Wrote:  Willingham's legal team shopped for and got the State Court Judge they wanted. The University had about as much chance for a fair trial as Maryland did in their case vs. the ACC.
It was the University's lawyers that suggested the settlement (it will save the University several millions of dollars). The bonus for the University is that if anything else comes about with this case, it will have to be tried in Federal Court. We won't see Willingham in Federal Court where the University would get a fair trial.

I agree. UNC and Willingham will not meet in Federal Court where the University would get a fair trial. UNC will pay Willingham whatever it takes to prevent that. They apparently have. The last thing UNC wants is a fair trial.

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(03-17-2015 05:47 PM)XLance Wrote:  Willingham's legal team shopped for and got the State Court Judge they wanted. The University had about as much chance for a fair trial as Maryland did in their case vs. the ACC.
It was the University's lawyers that suggested the settlement (it will save the University several millions of dollars). The bonus for the University is that if anything else comes about with this case, it will have to be tried in Federal Court. We won't see Willingham in Federal Court where the University would get a fair trial.

Just keep deluding yourself. The university is pushing to move all of the class action lawsuits OUT of federal court because they don't own the judges there like they do in state court.
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(03-18-2015 11:30 AM)Lucy Wrote:  
(03-17-2015 05:47 PM)XLance Wrote:  Willingham's legal team shopped for and got the State Court Judge they wanted. The University had about as much chance for a fair trial as Maryland did in their case vs. the ACC.
It was the University's lawyers that suggested the settlement (it will save the University several millions of dollars). The bonus for the University is that if anything else comes about with this case, it will have to be tried in Federal Court. We won't see Willingham in Federal Court where the University would get a fair trial.

Just keep deluding yourself. The university is pushing to move all of the class action lawsuits OUT of federal court because they don't own the judges there like they do in state court.

Given UNC's political pull in NC, I'm almost certain that the last thing that UNC wants is for the case to be in "not NC."
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It's so sad the dismissiveness of UNC fans without actually having any shred of evidence to support their claims of "Nothing to see here".
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