(03-01-2015 11:03 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  There are 2.6 million muslims in the USA. The actions of a single one in no way defines the actions of the whole. It's something that most people learn by grade school, but some of us just never seem to grasp. Grow up, if more people did the world would be a much better place.

No, but the actions and hatred of nearly 100% toward Israel shows Islam isn't as peaceful as liberals want everyone to believe. Jews have only one homeland throughout history Muslims would deny Jews the right to that tiny peace of land while controlling all the land around this nation.

(03-01-2015 04:02 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 02:52 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 01:12 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Why not answer a question? Especially easy ones to answer. I do not think the Koran or Sharia law trumps the
constitution. Do you believe otherwise?

UCF08, you can't answer the question? Does the Koran and Sharia law trump the constitution.

More like won't answer.

Of course sharia law or the Koran doesn't trump the constitution, but that has nothing to do with anything I've ever said. I mean that, I've never said anything which a rational person would ever construe to mean I think any religious court/ideology/group should trump criminal or civil law. That's ludicrous to even imply, knowing even the faintest about my posting history would show that to be the case. Hell, I think most religions get far too much leeway as it is. Tax-exempt status? Pfft. Vaccine waiver? Can't stand them.

I'd like any of you to find a single post in which I ever implied Sharia Law or the Koran should override the constitution, or I'd like an apology from all of you. An adult would apologize or admit their error, are you all adults?

(03-01-2015 05:52 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 11:03 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  There are 2.6 million muslims in the USA. The actions of a single one in no way defines the actions of the whole. It's something that most people learn by grade school, but some of us just never seem to grasp. Grow up, if more people did the world would be a much better place.

No, but the actions and hatred of nearly 100% toward Israel shows Islam isn't as peaceful as liberals want everyone to believe. Jews have only one homeland throughout history Muslims would deny Jews the right to that tiny peace of land while controlling all the land around this nation.

Source on these statistics or should I assume they're coming directly out of your own ass?

Furthermore, opinions on Israel are not the same as opinions on Jews. Do you understand that?

Apologize for asking a question? You get lots of apologies during the day do you?

(03-01-2015 05:54 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 05:52 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 11:03 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  There are 2.6 million muslims in the USA. The actions of a single one in no way defines the actions of the whole. It's something that most people learn by grade school, but some of us just never seem to grasp. Grow up, if more people did the world would be a much better place.

No, but the actions and hatred of nearly 100% toward Israel shows Islam isn't as peaceful as liberals want everyone to believe. Jews have only one homeland throughout history Muslims would deny Jews the right to that tiny peace of land while controlling all the land around this nation.

Source on these statistics or should I assume they're coming directly out of your own ass?

Furthermore, opinions on Israel are not the same as opinions on Jews. Do you understand that?

Cite any major Islamic group that supports Israel as a nation that would merit the number being something other than nearly 100%.

When I was in grad school I was friends with several Muslims, their hatred for Jews and Israel was inseparable. Generally these guys weren't bad people but there was no doubt about their feelings.

Oh well you knew some guys then nevermind, can't argue with that kind of hard proof.

There are jerks all over the country. I see them throwing cigarettes or other trash out the window of their cars. I see them tailgating me when I can't go faster or cutting people off, or taking up 3 parking spots. They think of no one but themselves. Some of them will sue at the drop of a hat.

This one just happened to be a Muslim.

(03-01-2015 06:06 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Apologize for asking a question? You get lots of apologies during the day do you?

No, but I don't run into people with compulsions to interpret things I said into weird nonsensical statements either.

(03-01-2015 05:50 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 05:37 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 01:26 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  The problem is not the single case anymore but the growing number that are defining the actions of the whole. It's happening all around the U.S. with lawsuits and protests for Islamic special privileges and exceptions to our laws. Examples: Muslim prayer time in public schools, no strip searches of Muslim women by non-Muslims, push for sharia laws/courts, removing Christian and Jewish holidays from public schools, etc. The list goes on and on.

What religious fundamentalist group doesn't want special privileges and exceptions? I can think of examples from Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, etc etc. Are you not aware of this?

You're partially correct, but Why is it that Most Liberals always favor those exceptions and Privileges to the Muslim faithful over any Other Religious Group, Including Public School teachings ?

Yes, there are cases of lawsuits (many frivolous) and rights mongering from all religious groups. To be clear, I'm not talking about employment discrimination claims for example. I'm talking about radically changing the way we have lived in this country because a very small minority are intimidating and bullying their way for non-assimilation and acceptance. According to the US Census Bureau, in 2008 the number of adults was 228,182,000 and 173,402,000 self-identified as Christian while 1,349,000 identified as Muslim. Percentage-wise Muslims account for less than one percent of the U.S. adult population while Christians were around 75%.

My point was tied back to the OP that the Muslim contingent are becoming more vocal, organized and aggressive in trying to impose their laws and culture on a nation that was not founded on anything close to Islamic principles. Give them an inch and they will take a mile. It is happening now and will continue to get worse. See Europe for an example.

(03-01-2015 06:38 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 05:50 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 05:37 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 01:26 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  The problem is not the single case anymore but the growing number that are defining the actions of the whole. It's happening all around the U.S. with lawsuits and protests for Islamic special privileges and exceptions to our laws. Examples: Muslim prayer time in public schools, no strip searches of Muslim women by non-Muslims, push for sharia laws/courts, removing Christian and Jewish holidays from public schools, etc. The list goes on and on.

What religious fundamentalist group doesn't want special privileges and exceptions? I can think of examples from Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, etc etc. Are you not aware of this?

You're partially correct, but Why is it that Most Liberals always favor those exceptions and Privileges to the Muslim faithful over any Other Religious Group, Including Public School teachings ?

Yes, there are cases of lawsuits (many frivolous) and rights mongering from all religious groups. To be clear, I'm not talking about employment discrimination claims for example. I'm talking about radically changing the way we have lived in this country because a very small minority are intimidating and bullying their way for non-assimilation and acceptance. According to the US Census Bureau, in 2008 the number of adults was 228,182,000 and 173,402,000 self-identified as Christian while 1,349,000 identified as Muslim. Percentage-wise Muslims account for less than one percent of the U.S. adult population while Christians were around 75%.

My point was tied back to the OP that the Muslim contingent are becoming more vocal, organized and aggressive in trying to impose their laws and culture on a nation that was not founded on anything close to Islamic principles. Give them an inch and they will take a mile. It is happening now and will continue to get worse. See Europe for an example.

You're right. I remember that time that Muslim Judge refused to submit to the higher courts ruling to require legal gay marriages and fought to have some awful, tacky 10 Commandments statue on courthouse property. Man, that was like some Twighlight-zone stuff with this religious public official thinking he can force others to abide by his own religious agenda.

All religious fundamentalists do idiotic things like this, it's partially what makes them fundamentalists. You just don't notice it when it's your religion with the fundamentalists.

(03-01-2015 06:38 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 05:50 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 05:37 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 01:26 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  The problem is not the single case anymore but the growing number that are defining the actions of the whole. It's happening all around the U.S. with lawsuits and protests for Islamic special privileges and exceptions to our laws. Examples: Muslim prayer time in public schools, no strip searches of Muslim women by non-Muslims, push for sharia laws/courts, removing Christian and Jewish holidays from public schools, etc. The list goes on and on.

What religious fundamentalist group doesn't want special privileges and exceptions? I can think of examples from Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, etc etc. Are you not aware of this?

You're partially correct, but Why is it that Most Liberals always favor those exceptions and Privileges to the Muslim faithful over any Other Religious Group, Including Public School teachings ?

Yes, there are cases of lawsuits (many frivolous) and rights mongering from all religious groups. To be clear, I'm not talking about employment discrimination claims for example. I'm talking about radically changing the way we have lived in this country because a very small minority are intimidating and bullying their way for non-assimilation and acceptance. According to the US Census Bureau, in 2008 the number of adults was 228,182,000 and 173,402,000 self-identified as Christian while 1,349,000 identified as Muslim. Percentage-wise Muslims account for less than one percent of the U.S. adult population while Christians were around 75%.

My point was tied back to the OP that the Muslim contingent are becoming more vocal, organized and aggressive in trying to impose their laws and culture on a nation that was not founded on anything close to Islamic principles. Give them an inch and they will take a mile. It is happening now and will continue to get worse. See Europe for an example.

And this is a good reason why church and state need to continue to be separated to the extent that we can, and the courts need to continue to rule in that way despite protestations from Christians. We don't really want to open that crack in the edifice any more if we're worried about Muslims trying to change the rules on us or get extra privileges.

(03-01-2015 06:47 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 06:38 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 05:50 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 05:37 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 01:26 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  The problem is not the single case anymore but the growing number that are defining the actions of the whole. It's happening all around the U.S. with lawsuits and protests for Islamic special privileges and exceptions to our laws. Examples: Muslim prayer time in public schools, no strip searches of Muslim women by non-Muslims, push for sharia laws/courts, removing Christian and Jewish holidays from public schools, etc. The list goes on and on.

What religious fundamentalist group doesn't want special privileges and exceptions? I can think of examples from Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, etc etc. Are you not aware of this?

You're partially correct, but Why is it that Most Liberals always favor those exceptions and Privileges to the Muslim faithful over any Other Religious Group, Including Public School teachings ?

Yes, there are cases of lawsuits (many frivolous) and rights mongering from all religious groups. To be clear, I'm not talking about employment discrimination claims for example. I'm talking about radically changing the way we have lived in this country because a very small minority are intimidating and bullying their way for non-assimilation and acceptance. According to the US Census Bureau, in 2008 the number of adults was 228,182,000 and 173,402,000 self-identified as Christian while 1,349,000 identified as Muslim. Percentage-wise Muslims account for less than one percent of the U.S. adult population while Christians were around 75%.

My point was tied back to the OP that the Muslim contingent are becoming more vocal, organized and aggressive in trying to impose their laws and culture on a nation that was not founded on anything close to Islamic principles. Give them an inch and they will take a mile. It is happening now and will continue to get worse. See Europe for an example.

And this is a good reason why church and state need to continue to be separated to the extent that we can, and the courts need to continue to rule in that way despite protestations from Christians. We don't really want to open that crack in the edifice any more if we're worried about Muslims trying to change the rules on us or get extra privileges.

This. Anytime we allow a public school principal to lead a public prayer during school time or a dumb statue outside a courthouse, we're just paving the way for islam/judaism/scientology/etc to do the same.

Which is why I love the humanist groups who, whenever something like this is allowed, immediately contact the jurisdiction that allowed it to force them to allow their 'satanic' material in a similar fashion. Ends any real logical argument immediately.

UCF, you sure get involved in the Muslim threads, don't ya...

(03-01-2015 07:04 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  UCF, you sure get involved in the Muslim threads, don't ya...

I can't speak for him but I think he's drawn to the lack of logic shown in the original post of the threads, and thinks maybe he can make a difference. Which is unfortunately unlikely.

Might not be a christian, but I sure do like Christ "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"

(03-01-2015 07:06 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 07:04 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  UCF, you sure get involved in the Muslim threads, don't ya...

I can't speak for him but I think he's drawn to the lack of logic shown in the original post of the threads, and thinks maybe he can make a difference. Which is unfortunately unlikely.

Pretty much.

(03-01-2015 07:06 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 07:04 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  UCF, you sure get involved in the Muslim threads, don't ya...

I can't speak for him but I think he's drawn to the lack of logic shown in the original post of the threads, and thinks maybe he can make a difference. Which is unfortunately unlikely.

I think his prayer rug is showing.

(03-01-2015 07:10 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 07:06 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 07:04 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  UCF, you sure get involved in the Muslim threads, don't ya...

I can't speak for him but I think he's drawn to the lack of logic shown in the original post of the threads, and thinks maybe he can make a difference. Which is unfortunately unlikely.

I think his prayer rug is showing.

I understand it's easier for you to try and attack someone based on nonsensical personal attacks instead of attacking their arguments, but it makes you look like you don't actually understand how to actually formulate an argument.

(03-01-2015 06:51 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 06:47 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 06:38 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Yes, there are cases of lawsuits (many frivolous) and rights mongering from all religious groups. To be clear, I'm not talking about employment discrimination claims for example. I'm talking about radically changing the way we have lived in this country because a very small minority are intimidating and bullying their way for non-assimilation and acceptance. According to the US Census Bureau, in 2008 the number of adults was 228,182,000 and 173,402,000 self-identified as Christian while 1,349,000 identified as Muslim. Percentage-wise Muslims account for less than one percent of the U.S. adult population while Christians were around 75%.

My point was tied back to the OP that the Muslim contingent are becoming more vocal, organized and aggressive in trying to impose their laws and culture on a nation that was not founded on anything close to Islamic principles. Give them an inch and they will take a mile. It is happening now and will continue to get worse. See Europe for an example.

And this is a good reason why church and state need to continue to be separated to the extent that we can, and the courts need to continue to rule in that way despite protestations from Christians. We don't really want to open that crack in the edifice any more if we're worried about Muslims trying to change the rules on us or get extra privileges.

This. Anytime we allow a public school principal to lead a public prayer during school time or a dumb statue outside a courthouse, we're just paving the way for islam/judaism/scientology/etc to do the same.

Which is why I love the humanist groups who, whenever something like this is allowed, immediately contact the jurisdiction that allowed it to force them to allow their 'satanic' material in a similar fashion. Ends any real logical argument immediately.

You're missing my point. Forget about Christians getting any privileges or respect for their beliefs and values because they have been gradually done away with in the public arena despite being an overwhelming majority of citizens. It started when public prayer was taken out of the schools during the late 50s to early 60s. What I'm talking about is the tiny contingent of Muslims are pushing their agenda and culture to the point that it will radically change our country if we continue to let it happen. Don't believe me? Read up on the tenets and doctrine of Islam and you will learn that total subjugation of non-Muslims is the ultimate goal. It is in their religion and culture to overtake and dominate. If you want to put your head in the sand and empathize that only a few bad eggs are the problem then go right ahead. Again, back to the OP, why are Muslims high maintenance? Because it is in their nature and religion.

(03-01-2015 07:21 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 06:51 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 06:47 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 06:38 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Yes, there are cases of lawsuits (many frivolous) and rights mongering from all religious groups. To be clear, I'm not talking about employment discrimination claims for example. I'm talking about radically changing the way we have lived in this country because a very small minority are intimidating and bullying their way for non-assimilation and acceptance. According to the US Census Bureau, in 2008 the number of adults was 228,182,000 and 173,402,000 self-identified as Christian while 1,349,000 identified as Muslim. Percentage-wise Muslims account for less than one percent of the U.S. adult population while Christians were around 75%.

My point was tied back to the OP that the Muslim contingent are becoming more vocal, organized and aggressive in trying to impose their laws and culture on a nation that was not founded on anything close to Islamic principles. Give them an inch and they will take a mile. It is happening now and will continue to get worse. See Europe for an example.

And this is a good reason why church and state need to continue to be separated to the extent that we can, and the courts need to continue to rule in that way despite protestations from Christians. We don't really want to open that crack in the edifice any more if we're worried about Muslims trying to change the rules on us or get extra privileges.

This. Anytime we allow a public school principal to lead a public prayer during school time or a dumb statue outside a courthouse, we're just paving the way for islam/judaism/scientology/etc to do the same.

Which is why I love the humanist groups who, whenever something like this is allowed, immediately contact the jurisdiction that allowed it to force them to allow their 'satanic' material in a similar fashion. Ends any real logical argument immediately.

You're missing my point. Forget about Christians getting any privileges or respect for their beliefs and values because they have been gradually done away with in the public arena despite being an overwhelming majority of citizens. It started when public prayer was taken out of the schools during the late 50s to early 60s. What I'm talking about is the tiny contingent of Muslims are pushing their agenda and culture to the point that it will radically change our country if we continue to let it happen. Don't believe me? Read up on the tenets and doctrine of Islam and you will learn that total subjugation of non-Muslims is the ultimate goal. It is in their religion and culture to overtake and dominate. If you want to put your head in the sand and empathize that only a few bad eggs are the problem then go right ahead. Again, back to the OP, why are Muslims high maintenance? Because it is in their nature and religion.

They aren't any more high maintenance than Christians. They will try to get their way just like Christians. The important thing is that the courts continue to rule in favor of separation of church and state. Then it won't matter what their goal is, they won't get there.