(03-01-2015 08:46 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  UCF08, not sure why you suffer from such delusions. Extremism is a much bigger problem with Islam than any other religion. I don't blame the innocent muslims for that, obviously they are not responsible for what the crazies do. But not sure why you have a problem admitting reality.

Oh I've got no problem admitting that right now globally, islam is the by far the biggest offender of explicitly religious based violence. Thought I said as much this thread, but I know i've stated that exact sentiment half a dozen times recently. This thread isn't about that though, this thread was about Islam in the US, and in that vein, my responses are totally on point.

That being said, while Islam might be responsible for the majority of all violence perpetrated currently, one doesn't have to look back very far to see how it's not necessarily an Islamic problem and more of a 'religious fundamentalist' problem.

(03-01-2015 08:46 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 08:37 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Ask that question 30 years ago in England.

Not 30 years ago. That was a 800 year old war of England's penal laws vs. Irish Catholics. It was never a global threat like Islam. Islam is a global threat.

30 years ago -

Quote: 28 February Newry mortar attack - a Provisional IRA mortar attack on the Newry RUC station killed nine officers and injured thirty-seven.[25]
20 May Four Royal Ulster Constabulary officers were killed by a Provisional IRA bomb near Killean, County Down.
7 December Attack on Ballygawley barracks - the Provisional IRA launched an assault on the RUC barracks in Ballygawley, County Tyrone. Two RUC officers were killed and the barracks was completely destroyed by the subsequent bomb explosion.

You were saying?

(03-01-2015 09:03 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 08:46 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 08:37 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Ask that question 30 years ago in England.

Not 30 years ago. That was a 800 year old war of England's penal laws vs. Irish Catholics. It was never a global threat like Islam. Islam is a global threat.

30 years ago -

Quote: 28 February Newry mortar attack - a Provisional IRA mortar attack on the Newry RUC station killed nine officers and injured thirty-seven.[25]
20 May Four Royal Ulster Constabulary officers were killed by a Provisional IRA bomb near Killean, County Down.
7 December Attack on Ballygawley barracks - the Provisional IRA launched an assault on the RUC barracks in Ballygawley, County Tyrone. Two RUC officers were killed and the barracks was completely destroyed by the subsequent bomb explosion.

You were saying?

Do you deny that Islam is a global threat? So are you Sunni or Shiite? You are Muslim?

(03-01-2015 08:27 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 08:23 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 08:18 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  So he'd be unelectable as a Republican?

Huh?

Republicans love everyone. But that doesn't mean we should elect politicians who want to double our taxes and double the size of government.

Then why do I hear constant complaints and see numerous threads commenting on how Obama needs to more loudly denounce islam? Something there doesn't add up.

Republicans love everyone, but that doesn't mean we need to back down from evil and ignore people who threaten to kill us.

Pretending a problem doesn't exist is not a solution.

UCF08 why are Muslims so high maintenance?

(03-01-2015 09:03 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 08:46 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 08:37 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Ask that question 30 years ago in England.

Not 30 years ago. That was a 800 year old war of England's penal laws vs. Irish Catholics. It was never a global threat like Islam. Islam is a global threat.

30 years ago -

Quote: 28 February Newry mortar attack - a Provisional IRA mortar attack on the Newry RUC station killed nine officers and injured thirty-seven.[25]
20 May Four Royal Ulster Constabulary officers were killed by a Provisional IRA bomb near Killean, County Down.
7 December Attack on Ballygawley barracks - the Provisional IRA launched an assault on the RUC barracks in Ballygawley, County Tyrone. Two RUC officers were killed and the barracks was completely destroyed by the subsequent bomb explosion.

You were saying?

Honestly, you're comparing apples and oranges. While I'll admit that violence is violence, for these to be similar, the IRA would have had to have a huge push to import this stuff worldwide, which they never did.

They had an enemy - the English - primarily the protestant English in Northern Ireland and they committed these acts against them and largely them alone. We see this type of stuff in many "civil war" type situations.

Radical Islam, on the other hand seems hellbent on importing their terrorism on a world wide scale and target anyone "not exactly like themselves".

Religious zealotry has not been confined to Islam historically, but if you want to go back for the last 500 years - they have, and continue to be, the most violent zealots on the planet bar none.

We can all argue that it is largely due to ignorance - and it is, but the fact remains that the religious leaders of Islam use the ignorant violently to try and increase their power.

Period.

(03-02-2015 08:39 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 09:03 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 08:46 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 08:37 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Ask that question 30 years ago in England.

Not 30 years ago. That was a 800 year old war of England's penal laws vs. Irish Catholics. It was never a global threat like Islam. Islam is a global threat.

30 years ago -

Quote: 28 February Newry mortar attack - a Provisional IRA mortar attack on the Newry RUC station killed nine officers and injured thirty-seven.[25]
20 May Four Royal Ulster Constabulary officers were killed by a Provisional IRA bomb near Killean, County Down.
7 December Attack on Ballygawley barracks - the Provisional IRA launched an assault on the RUC barracks in Ballygawley, County Tyrone. Two RUC officers were killed and the barracks was completely destroyed by the subsequent bomb explosion.

You were saying?

Honestly, you're comparing apples and oranges. While I'll admit that violence is violence, for these to be similar, the IRA would have had to have a huge push to import this stuff worldwide, which they never did.

They had an enemy - the English - primarily the protestant English in Northern Ireland and they committed these acts against them and largely them alone. We see this type of stuff in many "civil war" type situations.

Radical Islam, on the other hand seems hellbent on importing their terrorism on a world wide scale and target anyone "not exactly like themselves".

Religious zealotry has not been confined to Islam historically, but if you want to go back for the last 500 years - they have, and continue to be, the most violent zealots on the planet bar none.

We can all argue that it is largely due to ignorance - and it is, but the fact remains that the religious leaders of Islam use the ignorant violently to try and increase their power.

Period.

Oddly, Hamas is pretty much the same, they're a terrorist group but they confine their attacks to their main enemy, Israel.

Religions don't kill, people do. We've lost way more people in this country to crazy people with guns.