...and many of the above posters are on ignore...but I would guess they teamed up on someone as though anything short of mockery is a crazy idea.

By watching josh's mannerisms on that last play, he was happy with running down the clock, passing around the perimeter, and taking the last shot. I don't think the play was for nick king to shoot, but pastner said in his postgame interview that nick king had a wide open look and that he was fine with that shot. Matter of fact, he said he wanted nick king to take that shot. To me that is crazy, because nick king was at the tiger's claw.

Now if the game was tied, yes, i would waste the clock and take the last shot for a possible win.

But considering we were down 2 and 18 seconds left and no timeouts, you get a good shot up pretty quickly. Any decent shot is ok, but the idea is to get the attempt up quickly. Most teams are too scared to foul in that situation, so going to the rim or going inside for a quick two is preferred. If you miss, you still have time to foul and extend the game and give yourself another chance.

And even if nick king would have made that shot, i would still say it was dumb but they got lucky it went in.

(03-01-2015 09:28 PM)Mimi Wrote:  ...and many of the above posters are on ignore...but I would guess they teamed up on someone as though anything short of mockery is a crazy idea.

Agree with money...and indicated that.

Two things were going on. First, there was no huddled play called, but regardless, when down, you need to shoot with some time left in case you miss...a very different situation than when tied.

If the coach signaled to them to take the last shot as time ran out, that would be a mistake.

(03-01-2015 09:27 PM)Mimi Wrote:  A completely separate point...but...after the Tulsa forced turnover on the five second call...good defensive pressure there...Memphis did not have a timeout. The play would have been called as an if or from the sideline unless I am remembering last night incorrectly.

Being down two, need to shoot with some time left in case of a miss.

Biggest poor plays from Memphis were the back to back turnovers after being up nine and the missed free throws. Painful. Bad luck play in the injury, which I realize cannot be used as an excuse, especially here. Tulsa made two big contested threes...credit them.

Do not confuse them with facts when they have a major rant going. Wasn't the shot i hoped for but clearly no on else was able to get open during the final seconds for a better shot.

(03-01-2015 09:44 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Agree with money...and indicated that.

Two things were going on. First, there was no huddled play called, but regardless, when down, you need to shoot with some time left in case you miss...a very different situation than when tied.

If the coach signaled to them to take the last shot as time ran out, that would be a mistake.

If they let it run down against his wishes what does that tell you?

It was what he wanted. He said it in postgame, and i watched a replay of that last play, he was not directing guys to get a quick shot up. He just stood there and watched and when nick king put up the long 3 attempt, it looked like he was saying a prayer and crossing his fingers for luck.

I'm still in disbelief how he defended the play in postgame.

It's like the last game, we were down late and waited too long to start fouling to extend the game and give ourselves one last chance to win, and our opponent was 13 for 24 at the foul line that night.

(03-01-2015 09:57 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  It was what he wanted. He said it in postgame, and i watched a replay of that last play, he was not directing guys to get a quick shot up. He just stood there and watched and when nick king put up the long 3 attempt, it looked like he was saying a prayer and crossing his fingers for luck.

I'm still in disbelief how he defended the play in postgame.

It's like the last game, we were down late and waited too long to start fouling to extend the game and give ourselves one last chance to win, and our opponent was 13 for 24 at the foul line that night.

Would you rather he be like X and throw the players under the bus?

(03-02-2015 01:31 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 09:57 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  It was what he wanted. He said it in postgame, and i watched a replay of that last play, he was not directing guys to get a quick shot up. He just stood there and watched and when nick king put up the long 3 attempt, it looked like he was saying a prayer and crossing his fingers for luck.

I'm still in disbelief how he defended the play in postgame.

It's like the last game, we were down late and waited too long to start fouling to extend the game and give ourselves one last chance to win, and our opponent was 13 for 24 at the foul line that night.

Would you rather he be like X and throw the players under the bus?

I guess you missed the post game

(03-02-2015 01:31 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 09:57 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  It was what he wanted. He said it in postgame, and i watched a replay of that last play, he was not directing guys to get a quick shot up. He just stood there and watched and when nick king put up the long 3 attempt, it looked like he was saying a prayer and crossing his fingers for luck.

I'm still in disbelief how he defended the play in postgame.

It's like the last game, we were down late and waited too long to start fouling to extend the game and give ourselves one last chance to win, and our opponent was 13 for 24 at the foul line that night.

Would you rather he be like X and throw the players under the bus?

I'd rather he teach the players in practice what to do in all situations of the game.

What i don't expect is for a head coach to say he was happy with that last shot in a postgame interview and then immediately spend more time after that making excuses for this season and saying next year will be our year. It doesn't mean pastner has to throw players under the bus, but maybe pastner needed to throw himself under the bus since going for a quick score was the better option. If you watch the replay of that last possession, just watch pastner. He is not telling his guys to hurry up or anything. He seemed fine with running down the clock before the long 3 point attempt. According to him in postgame, the missed shot was just one of the many bad breaks we have had this season.

So i answered your question, now you answer my two questions: A simple yes or no will do.

Do you agree with pastner that running the clock out before taking the last shot in that situation is the best strategy?

Overall, would you say the last possession was a good possession?

(02-28-2015 10:52 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(02-28-2015 10:39 PM)Foxtrot Wrote:  30 ft jumper from our post player. That is all. Good night!

Tulsa has good players, a hall of fame coach and runs good stuff.

Beating any team with a pulse on your own home floor is not a birthright.

Winning is hard.

Hall of fame coach?! Surely Pastner didn't say this.

(03-02-2015 08:12 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 01:31 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 09:57 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  It was what he wanted. He said it in postgame, and i watched a replay of that last play, he was not directing guys to get a quick shot up. He just stood there and watched and when nick king put up the long 3 attempt, it looked like he was saying a prayer and crossing his fingers for luck.

I'm still in disbelief how he defended the play in postgame.

It's like the last game, we were down late and waited too long to start fouling to extend the game and give ourselves one last chance to win, and our opponent was 13 for 24 at the foul line that night.

Would you rather he be like X and throw the players under the bus?

I guess you missed the post game

I didnt catch the postgame but here is a quote from the coaches show last night re. the SMU game "if Austin had played better I think we could have won that game".

(03-02-2015 11:17 AM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 08:12 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 01:31 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 09:57 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  It was what he wanted. He said it in postgame, and i watched a replay of that last play, he was not directing guys to get a quick shot up. He just stood there and watched and when nick king put up the long 3 attempt, it looked like he was saying a prayer and crossing his fingers for luck.

I'm still in disbelief how he defended the play in postgame.

It's like the last game, we were down late and waited too long to start fouling to extend the game and give ourselves one last chance to win, and our opponent was 13 for 24 at the foul line that night.

Would you rather he be like X and throw the players under the bus?

I guess you missed the post game

I didnt catch the postgame but here is a quote from the coaches show last night re. the SMU game "if Austin had played better I think we could have won that game".

(03-01-2015 08:54 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 08:36 PM)TigerJJ Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 07:54 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 11:54 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 11:41 AM)TigerBo Wrote:  If something doesn't give, we will be the next Houston. Maybe some are right in that we are going all in with football, because a blind man can see the direction of the basketball program... and don't give me this one down year stuff, this misery has been building for at least 3 years, maybe 4. I'm ready to see who else will work here for 2.65M.

Well, I would say he was on the rise for 4 years. Year 5 was disappointing and this year is a total disaster.

No move will be made until the season is officially over.

Should be short and sweet. Looks like we'll win a game in the AAC tourney because as the 6 seed we'll play Houston and then lose to whoever we play next.

18-15 *may* get us in the NIT but certainly not a home game so that'll be one and done there.

we should hopefully know if they are retaining Pastner or not in what? Three weeks?

Everyone will know a day after their last game, unless their last game falls on Friday or Saturday night.. If it goes any longer then he will be retained.. If he is being let go they will do it quick so they can start the new Coaching search unless it's already started..


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Let me take the suspense out of it for you. He ain't gonna be fired.

How do you know?

Common sense, which is really lacking from a lot of people on this board.

Truth is during Pastners tenure we have never executed well on plays to end a half or game. I'm not researching it but I'd suspect our scoring ratio on these type plays is around 20%. Our best bet the past few years was put it in Joe Jackson or Will Bartons hands but any basket coming from of a bench called play is extremely rare. Let's be honest. I'm sure someone has the stats to back this up. Take Joe and Barton out of the equation it becomes horrendous.

(03-02-2015 08:12 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 01:31 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 09:57 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote:  It was what he wanted. He said it in postgame, and i watched a replay of that last play, he was not directing guys to get a quick shot up. He just stood there and watched and when nick king put up the long 3 attempt, it looked like he was saying a prayer and crossing his fingers for luck.

I'm still in disbelief how he defended the play in postgame.

It's like the last game, we were down late and waited too long to start fouling to extend the game and give ourselves one last chance to win, and our opponent was 13 for 24 at the foul line that night.

Would you rather he be like X and throw the players under the bus?

I guess you missed the post game

And other post games after some other losses.

(03-03-2015 07:28 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Truth is during Pastners tenure we have never executed well on plays to end a half or game. I'm not researching it but I'd suspect our scoring ratio on these type plays is around 20%. Our best bet the past few years was put it in Joe Jackson or Will Bartons hands but any basket coming from of a bench called play is extremely rare. Let's be honest. I'm sure someone has the stats to back this up. Take Joe and Barton out of the equation it becomes horrendous.

I remember a Witherspoon moment at the end of the St John's game was pretty special. But such moments have been few for sure. I think the last shot scenario against Tulsa was very telling about JP & this group of players. No one wants to step up & take charge. Everyone is afraid to make a mistake. So in this case King was left on a island, kind of the last guy without a chair in a musical chairs game. No plan, no one with confidence to make the play. The play is always to go to the goal, get the shot or make the defense foul, or get the pass out of for an open look. But having a 20% 3pt shooter with the ball is crazy - no plan & no one on the floor wanting to be the MAN.

What I remember from the last few seconds of OT was that they were running the weave around the perimeter, and were moving the ball from side to side. They seemed to be setting something up, and then one of the guards stopped the motion & held the ball. Everything fell apart then, and they ended up getting the shot from Nick King from a couple of feet behind the 3-pt line. He was open, but it was a long shot, one that you don't see Nick King taking that often. He's not usually the guy you would expect to take a shot like that. That's probably why he was open, and Woodson couldn't get a good look.

I do think that an interior pass was an option, but it just wasn't there. When Shaq tried to post up, he had a defender right in the passing lane.

(03-03-2015 09:35 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 07:28 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Truth is during Pastners tenure we have never executed well on plays to end a half or game. I'm not researching it but I'd suspect our scoring ratio on these type plays is around 20%. Our best bet the past few years was put it in Joe Jackson or Will Bartons hands but any basket coming from of a bench called play is extremely rare. Let's be honest. I'm sure someone has the stats to back this up. Take Joe and Barton out of the equation it becomes horrendous.

I remember a Witherspoon moment at the end of the St John's game was pretty special. But such moments have been few for sure. I think the last shot scenario against Tulsa was very telling about JP & this group of players. No one wants to step up & take charge. Everyone is afraid to make a mistake. So in this case King was left on a island, kind of the last guy without a chair in a musical chairs game. No plan, no one with confidence to make the play. The play is always to go to the goal, get the shot or make the defense foul, or get the pass out of for an open look. But having a 20% 3pt shooter with the ball is crazy - no plan & no one on the floor wanting to be the MAN.

4 years and counting. Maybe time to recruit that player. Or maybe too late.

(03-01-2015 09:51 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 09:44 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Agree with money...and indicated that.

Two things were going on. First, there was no huddled play called, but regardless, when down, you need to shoot with some time left in case you miss...a very different situation than when tied.

If the coach signaled to them to take the last shot as time ran out, that would be a mistake.

If they let it run down against his wishes what does that tell you?

You guys never give up.

If if if if.

If the coach signaled to them to shoot with enough time to have a chance at a rebound in case if a miss, and then the kids could not get off a clean shot in time so ended up with a later but reasonable shot with a chance to win....that tells me we are like every other team in the country...in that sometimes the called play is not exactly run.

It happens to every team.

Tough year...team is missing one of their best players, which will make next game a difficult one. Should they lose, it will be more of the same.