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RE: We celebrate our independence from the government, not our dependence on it.
Evidence?
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RE: We celebrate our independence from the government, not our dependence on it.
We celebrate our independence from a form of government and, more particularly, a specific government (the English monarchy).
Our founding fathers then set up a government (though a "weak one") via the Articles of Confederation and later replaced it (with a "stronger" government (but nowhere near the level of the previous monarchy)) via the Constitution.
So the statement is not completely accurate because we do not celebrate independence from THE government or any government (the founding fathers promptly set its own government); rather, we celebrate independence from THAT (i.e., the English monarchy) government.
Obviously, the founding fathers wanted independence from that government, in part, so they could set up a "weaker" and "less intrusive" government so, if worded better, there is some credence to Walker's presumed "point" (i.e., the founding fathers wanted less government) (though, as someone pointed out the reasons are more intricate than just wanting "less government" and also relate to the particularities of the colonies' relationship with the monarchy). In my opinion, however, by engaging in hyperbole with his statement (probably intentionally for effect), Walker does his "point" a disservice.
(This post was last modified: 02-27-2015 02:31 PM by ODU06.)
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RE: We celebrate our independence from the government, not our dependence on it.
(02-27-2015 09:08 AM)UCF08 Wrote: Or erection material for many on this board.
I don't get overly enthused by gang violence...regardless of which colors they sport.
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RE: We celebrate our independence from the government, not our dependence on it.
(02-27-2015 12:48 AM)Claw Wrote: "Here in America there is a reason we celebrate the Fourth of July and not April 15th. Because in America, we celebrate our independence from the government, not our dependence on it." - Scott Walker
Sounding good.
Did drop-out Scotty jump in a fighter jet after he said that?
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RE: We celebrate our independence from the government, not our dependence on it.
I don't think so but thereWAs a Brian Williams sighting near the air field !
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RE: We celebrate our independence from the government, not our dependence on it.
(02-27-2015 01:07 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote: (02-27-2015 12:48 AM)Claw Wrote: "Here in America there is a reason we celebrate the Fourth of July and not April 15th. Because in America, we celebrate our independence from the government, not our dependence on it." - Scott Walker
Sounding good.
The left is going bonkers attacking Walker. They are scared because he has proven he can win, even in a lib state like Wisconsin.
Wisconsin isn't liberal. Madison is liberal as all get out.
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UCF08
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RE: We celebrate our independence from the government, not our dependence on it.
You mean the educated portion of the state?
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RE: We celebrate our independence from the government, not our dependence on it.
Gee. A lot of people on both sides here missing the point entirely.
The root cause of the American Revolution was excess taxation. That is what binds the statement together. Walker correctly presumes that his audience and most citizens would agree we are once again over taxed today.
Those of you who don't agree with that are certainly entitled, but the statement is quite coherent.
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RE: We celebrate our independence from the government, not our dependence on it.
(02-27-2015 02:03 PM)Crebman Wrote: (02-27-2015 02:02 PM)UCF08 Wrote: (02-27-2015 01:52 PM)200yrs2late Wrote: (02-27-2015 01:30 PM)Crebman Wrote: What's funny is that the crew in this thread arguing about our independence from a monarchy cheers every time the current president flouts or ignores current law as a monarch would/could. They want him to act the part of a monarch and are happy to lick his boots like the servants they are.
Too ironic.
This
Nope.
Yep.
Most assuredly.
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RE: We celebrate our independence from the government, not our dependence on it.
(02-27-2015 06:28 PM)UCF08 Wrote: You mean the educated portion of the state?
More properly, the indoctrinated portion.
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RE: We celebrate our independence from the government, not our dependence on it.
(02-27-2015 10:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote: (02-27-2015 12:48 AM)Claw Wrote: "Here in America there is a reason we celebrate the Fourth of July and not April 15th. Because in America, we celebrate our independence from the government, not our dependence on it." - Scott Walker
Sounding good.
He's a moron. We celebrate independence from a monarch, not a government.
Americans broke from England to get rid of a large, overbearing, and out-of-touch government that restricted freedom.
Washington, DC 2015 = London 1776
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RE: We celebrate our independence from the government, not our dependence on it.
(02-28-2015 09:56 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote: (02-27-2015 10:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote: (02-27-2015 12:48 AM)Claw Wrote: "Here in America there is a reason we celebrate the Fourth of July and not April 15th. Because in America, we celebrate our independence from the government, not our dependence on it." - Scott Walker
Sounding good.
He's a moron. We celebrate independence from a monarch, not a government.
Americans broke from England to get rid of a large, overbearing, and out-of-touch government that restricted freedom.
Washington, DC 2015 = London 1776
But WHY did they suddenly begin restricting freedom?
That happened because Americans quit paying their taxes to the crown. Before the tax revolt started, British troops were mostly benign. The forced quartering of troops, seizure of private property, and open attacks on American citizens only began AFTER the Boston merchants begin actively avoiding the crown's taxes.
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RE: We celebrate our independence from the government, not our dependence on it.
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RE: We celebrate our independence from the government, not our dependence on it.
(03-01-2015 01:00 AM)Claw Wrote: (02-28-2015 09:56 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote: (02-27-2015 10:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote: (02-27-2015 12:48 AM)Claw Wrote: "Here in America there is a reason we celebrate the Fourth of July and not April 15th. Because in America, we celebrate our independence from the government, not our dependence on it." - Scott Walker
Sounding good.
He's a moron. We celebrate independence from a monarch, not a government.
Americans broke from England to get rid of a large, overbearing, and out-of-touch government that restricted freedom.
Washington, DC 2015 = London 1776
But WHY did they suddenly begin restricting freedom?
That happened because Americans quit paying their taxes to the crown. Before the tax revolt started, British troops were mostly benign. The forced quartering of troops, seizure of private property, and open attacks on American citizens only began AFTER the Boston merchants begin actively avoiding the crown's taxes.
No taxation without representation. The British increased the tax burden on Americans, but the Americans had zero representation in London. If the Americans had been given seats in Parliament, there may not have been a revolution.
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RE: We celebrate our independence from the government, not our dependence on it.
(03-01-2015 09:21 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote: (03-01-2015 01:00 AM)Claw Wrote: (02-28-2015 09:56 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote: (02-27-2015 10:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote: (02-27-2015 12:48 AM)Claw Wrote: "Here in America there is a reason we celebrate the Fourth of July and not April 15th. Because in America, we celebrate our independence from the government, not our dependence on it." - Scott Walker
Sounding good.
He's a moron. We celebrate independence from a monarch, not a government.
Americans broke from England to get rid of a large, overbearing, and out-of-touch government that restricted freedom.
Washington, DC 2015 = London 1776
But WHY did they suddenly begin restricting freedom?
That happened because Americans quit paying their taxes to the crown. Before the tax revolt started, British troops were mostly benign. The forced quartering of troops, seizure of private property, and open attacks on American citizens only began AFTER the Boston merchants begin actively avoiding the crown's taxes.
No taxation without representation. The British increased the tax burden on Americans, but the Americans had zero representation in London. If the Americans had been given seats in Parliament, there may not have been a revolution.
Why did the crown need to offer any representation after the colonies defied King George's order not to cross the Appalachian Mountains, essentially starting the French Indian War?
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RE: We celebrate our independence from the government, not our dependence on it.
(03-02-2015 10:31 AM)vandiver49 Wrote: (03-01-2015 09:21 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote: (03-01-2015 01:00 AM)Claw Wrote: (02-28-2015 09:56 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote: (02-27-2015 10:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote: He's a moron. We celebrate independence from a monarch, not a government.
Americans broke from England to get rid of a large, overbearing, and out-of-touch government that restricted freedom.
Washington, DC 2015 = London 1776
But WHY did they suddenly begin restricting freedom?
That happened because Americans quit paying their taxes to the crown. Before the tax revolt started, British troops were mostly benign. The forced quartering of troops, seizure of private property, and open attacks on American citizens only began AFTER the Boston merchants begin actively avoiding the crown's taxes.
No taxation without representation. The British increased the tax burden on Americans, but the Americans had zero representation in London. If the Americans had been given seats in Parliament, there may not have been a revolution.
Why did the crown need to offer any representation after the colonies defied King George's order not to cross the Appalachian Mountains, essentially starting the French Indian War?
Someone read a History Book.
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