(02-27-2015 10:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:48 AM)Claw Wrote:  "Here in America there is a reason we celebrate the Fourth of July and not April 15th. Because in America, we celebrate our independence from the government, not our dependence on it." - Scott Walker

Sounding good.

He's a moron. We celebrate independence from a monarch, not a government.

What?

(02-27-2015 11:04 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 10:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:48 AM)Claw Wrote:  "Here in America there is a reason we celebrate the Fourth of July and not April 15th. Because in America, we celebrate our independence from the government, not our dependence on it." - Scott Walker

Sounding good.

He's a moron. We celebrate independence from a monarch, not a government.

What?

Read a history book for Christ sake.

(02-27-2015 11:02 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 10:56 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I'm still deeply skeptical. What has he done to reduce spending, taxes, regulation, and size of govt in Wisconsin other than the commendable but mild step of ending public unions?

It's early in this election cycle, and personally I'd like to see him sit this one out and wait. His track record is pretty damn solid, way moreso than Obama's at this point in 07, but still he could use a little more experience. All that said, if he separates himself from the pack and wins the nomination, I'll gladly vote for him.

On the other hand, the longer he waits, the more likely he is to say something, anything, that gets overblown and used to discredit him. Everything you say gets added to list of possible things to attack in a presidential campaign. But he might not have enough of a national following yet. He may have to do more than the union confrontation.

(02-27-2015 11:04 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 10:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:48 AM)Claw Wrote:  "Here in America there is a reason we celebrate the Fourth of July and not April 15th. Because in America, we celebrate our independence from the government, not our dependence on it." - Scott Walker

Sounding good.

He's a moron. We celebrate independence from a monarch, not a government.

What?

As people have said, the celebration on the Fourth of July is recognizing our independence from British rule. After that separation, we were not independent from government, but independent from THEIR government so that we could set up OUR OWN government. I think he is thinking of some hypothetical revolutionary war in which Americans win in the name of anarchy, thereby becoming independent from government.

(02-27-2015 11:11 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 11:04 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 10:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:48 AM)Claw Wrote:  "Here in America there is a reason we celebrate the Fourth of July and not April 15th. Because in America, we celebrate our independence from the government, not our dependence on it." - Scott Walker

Sounding good.

He's a moron. We celebrate independence from a monarch, not a government.

What?

Read a history book for Christ sake.

You do realize that a monarchy is a form of government, right? If you say yes, then your previous post makes zero sense.

(02-27-2015 11:57 AM)ragincajun019 Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 11:04 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 10:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:48 AM)Claw Wrote:  "Here in America there is a reason we celebrate the Fourth of July and not April 15th. Because in America, we celebrate our independence from the government, not our dependence on it." - Scott Walker

Sounding good.

He's a moron. We celebrate independence from a monarch, not a government.

What?

As people have said, the celebration on the Fourth of July is recognizing our independence from British rule. After that separation, we were not independent from government, but independent from THEIR government so that we could set up OUR OWN government. I think he is thinking of some hypothetical revolutionary war in which Americans win in the name of anarchy, thereby becoming independent from government.

Amusing isn't it?

(02-27-2015 12:00 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 11:11 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 11:04 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 10:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:48 AM)Claw Wrote:  "Here in America there is a reason we celebrate the Fourth of July and not April 15th. Because in America, we celebrate our independence from the government, not our dependence on it." - Scott Walker

Sounding good.

He's a moron. We celebrate independence from a monarch, not a government.

What?

Read a history book for Christ sake.

You do realize that a monarchy is a form of government, right? If you say yes, then your previous post makes zero sense.

But he said Monarch...referring to the rule of King George. He wasn't really talking about the English government or monarchy.

Not to mention the main crux of the revolution...the fact that we weren't given any representation IN Parliament/Government.

(02-27-2015 12:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:00 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 11:11 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 11:04 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 10:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  He's a moron. We celebrate independence from a monarch, not a government.

What?

Read a history book for Christ sake.

You do realize that a monarchy is a form of government, right? If you say yes, then your previous post makes zero sense.

But he said Monarch...referring to the rule of King George. He wasn't really talking about the English government or monarchy.

Not to mention the main crux of the revolution...the fact that we weren't given any representation IN Parliament/Government.

You are correct sir.

Yep, it's not as if Washington just let the rebellions that took place after our independence go, he crushed them and rightly so. We simply traded governments, and never intended to be free of them.

(02-27-2015 12:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:00 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 11:11 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 11:04 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 10:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  He's a moron. We celebrate independence from a monarch, not a government.

What?

Read a history book for Christ sake.

You do realize that a monarchy is a form of government, right? If you say yes, then your previous post makes zero sense.

But he said Monarch...referring to the rule of King George. He wasn't really talking about the English government or monarchy.

Not to mention the main crux of the revolution...the fact that we weren't given any representation IN Parliament/Government.

That's a stretch but I'll let it go. Carry on and thanks.

(02-27-2015 12:48 AM)Claw Wrote:  "Here in America there is a reason we celebrate the Fourth of July and not April 15th. Because in America, we celebrate our independence from the government, not our dependence on it." - Scott Walker

Sounding good.

It's also a falsehood. We celebrate our Independence from English Monarch rule and the formation of our own nation...of the people, by the people, for the people.

Typical GOP.

(02-27-2015 12:18 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:00 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 11:11 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 11:04 AM)VA49er Wrote:  What?

Read a history book for Christ sake.

You do realize that a monarchy is a form of government, right? If you say yes, then your previous post makes zero sense.

But he said Monarch...referring to the rule of King George. He wasn't really talking about the English government or monarchy.

Not to mention the main crux of the revolution...the fact that we weren't given any representation IN Parliament/Government.

You are correct sir.

A monarch sits at the head of a monarchy, which is a form of government. Quite mincing words. You are perfectly capable, as is Fit, of understanding the quote. The problem with lock-step liberals like the two of you is that you would rather argue things like this than acknowledge the truth in the statement. It'd you go to when you are left without a foot to stand on.

(02-27-2015 12:57 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:18 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:00 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 11:11 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Read a history book for Christ sake.

You do realize that a monarchy is a form of government, right? If you say yes, then your previous post makes zero sense.

But he said Monarch...referring to the rule of King George. He wasn't really talking about the English government or monarchy.

Not to mention the main crux of the revolution...the fact that we weren't given any representation IN Parliament/Government.

You are correct sir.

A monarch sits at the head of a monarchy, which is a form of government. Quite mincing words. You are perfectly capable, as is Fit, of understanding the quote. The problem with lock-step liberals like the two of you is that you would rather argue things like this than acknowledge the truth in the statement. It'd you go to when you are left without a foot to stand on.

If they thought on it more deeply they would realize that the Monarchy we won independence from felt all rights and privileges came ONLY FROM THE MONARCHY is The Government. You could only do what the Monarchy told you. You were only give. What the Monarchy allowed you to have. You were, wait for it, dependent on the Monarchy ie The Government. We fought to be free of that kind of thinking

They're mindless, they actually NEED the government at this point. The dependency they already feel is so strong that the thought of a limited government that works for the people and not to support the people is beyond comprehension.

What's funny is that the crew in this thread arguing about our independence from a monarchy cheers every time the current president flouts or ignores current law as a monarch would/could. They want him to act the part of a monarch and are happy to lick his boots like the servants they are.

Too ironic.

(02-27-2015 01:30 PM)Crebman Wrote:  What's funny is that the crew in this thread arguing about our independence from a monarchy cheers every time the current president flouts or ignores current law as a monarch would/could. They want him to act the part of a monarch and are happy to lick his boots like the servants they are.

Too ironic.

This

(02-27-2015 01:52 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 01:30 PM)Crebman Wrote:  What's funny is that the crew in this thread arguing about our independence from a monarchy cheers every time the current president flouts or ignores current law as a monarch would/could. They want him to act the part of a monarch and are happy to lick his boots like the servants they are.

Too ironic.

This

Nope.

(02-27-2015 02:02 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 01:52 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 01:30 PM)Crebman Wrote:  What's funny is that the crew in this thread arguing about our independence from a monarchy cheers every time the current president flouts or ignores current law as a monarch would/could. They want him to act the part of a monarch and are happy to lick his boots like the servants they are.

Too ironic.

This

Nope.

Yep.

I argued about that, and I do no such thing. That statement is false, so unless you're a liar or want to contend either of those two points (you really don't), you shouldn't keep reposting lies.

(02-27-2015 02:06 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I argued about that, and I do no such thing. That statement is false, so unless you're a liar or want to contend either of those two points (you really don't), you shouldn't keep reposting lies.

Yes you do.