Not sure if this has been pointed out, but Dean Hutch is so Rice-y, he was once a Beer Bike theme. By himself.

(02-26-2015 05:19 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 05:00 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 04:21 PM)tramile12 Wrote:  You are naive if you think Dean Hutch doesn't have final say in all this. He is in the convenient position of saying it wasn't his call, or he didn't arrive at this punishment, but he absolutely did. All decisions of the SJP bear his final stamp. I'm so sick of all of his garbage. He lacks personality, imagination, and FUN. He is an elitist of the highest order, and he is not RICE. How much longer must we tolerate this windbag until he is gone?

... you can disagree with someone without coming up with odd adjectives to describe them.

I don't have any personal knowledge of the events or players in question, but I will quibble (in a Rice-ist way) that I don't see any "odd adjectives" in tramile12's rant (with the possible exceptions of "final" and "highest").

Shifting to nouns, I thought the terms "elitist" and "windbag" were pretty good ones. I am not saying I think they are accurate in this case, but they certainly are evocative.

(02-27-2015 09:08 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 02:07 AM)tramile12 Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 04:30 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 04:21 PM)tramile12 Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 07:43 PM)JOwl Wrote:  Not sure why you're putting this on Hutch. Now the SJP isn't something I'm familiar with (we had U Court back in my day), but I don't think Hutch runs it. Doing a little digging, it seems that Lisa Zollner is the director of SJP, and makes the rulings?

And even if you meant SJP and not Hutch as the target of your displeasure, this assumes that the kid's reading of the situation was correct.

You are naive if you think Dean Hutch doesn't have final say in all this. He is in the convenient position of saying it wasn't his call, or he didn't arrive at this punishment, but he absolutely did. All decisions of the SJP bear his final stamp. I'm so sick of all of his garbage. He lacks personality, imagination, and FUN. He is an elitist of the highest order, and he is not RICE. How much longer must we tolerate this windbag until he is gone?

Sorry, you may disagree with his decisions as Dean, but I'm guessing you were not around when he was a Master (twice IIRC) and chemistry professor, because the bolded statement is flat out wrong. The man was a great professor, I know most, if not all the Brown student's liked him as master, and he was everything Rice valued most while in those positions. His chemistry class was one of the best, most engaging classes I took while at Rice, and he truly cared about students.

Just because he may make decisions you disagree with doesn't mean you should insult him personally.

oh, god forbid I insult the man! That would be just, rude! And an insult would be that he is a Jackazzz, or a Douch.....and so on. I clearly did NOT say those things. I guess he should have stuck with chemistry then, because as a fair disciplinarian he is sorely lacking, as evidenced by decision after decision. Fair is not in his vocabulary.

I stand by my statement.

Keep doubling down and you just might be hired by Fox News. Seriously, have you even met Dean Hutch?

Yes. I've met Dean Hutch multiple times. Nice enough guy, terrible decisions as a Dean. Agree he should've stuck with chemistry.

I had a number of interactions with Hutchison while I was at Rice, and he never impressed me. Even as a freshman, I was struck by his desire for comfort and safety. Sure, many people value these things (including me), but there is a real CYA quality about the man. In hearing him speak, he's just not that impressive. But I don't have any personal animosity for the guy.

I was at Rice during Hutch's first stint as college president (Weiss?), though I was at a different college. Those at his college seemed to love him and his Chem 101 class was very popular. He was a very approachable professor. I have no idea how he is as a dean though, or what his reputation is amongst current students or younger alums.

(02-27-2015 10:43 AM)mrbig Wrote:  I was at Rice during Hutch's first stint as college president (Weiss?), though I was at a different college. Those at his college seemed to love him and his Chem 101 class was very popular. He was a very approachable professor. I have no idea how he is as a dean though, or what his reputation is amongst current students or younger alums.

Very similar feelings towards him when he was at Brown as a Master.

I think a number of his decisions while Dean have rubbed current students and young alumni the wrong way, as they have generally fallen towards the more PC end of the spectrum. Not knowing what other aspects of the job that he must fulfill, I've been less than thrilled with what I've seen from him as Dean, especially considering the general excitement surrounding his hiring. When he was hired, most, if not all, of the students were very excited to have a professor who so obviously understood the culture at Rice take a major leadership role in leading the undergraduates.

During his time as Dean he has pretty much focused on the idea of "culture of care" that he felt was lacking at Rice, which has been good/bad. This idea was probably highlighted by a significant rash of drinking issues my senior year, that culminated in a restriction on the type of alcohol consumed on campus. That pushed people's buttons on campus because of the history of having a wet campus, but IMO, I know my class and a number of classes below me, had completely forgotten how to be responsible adults and were abusing the privilege of having a wet campus. I still remember having freshmen or sophomores get mad at me when I wouldn't serve them at Pub...

But I take issue most with his more recent decisions that appear to be kowtowing to the vocal minority, with the Cheer Battle and now the stripper incident. At some point I think people should recognize that the real world will force you into situations that are outside your comfort zone, and if we continue to try and create some hermetically sealed bubble at Rice, that won't happen.

But what Dean of Undergraduates doesn't get pushback from students? Isn't their whole job to basically make sure that students don't do something that will end up harming the institution, and therefore they pretty much act as the Fun Police?

(02-27-2015 09:08 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 02:07 AM)tramile12 Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 04:30 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 04:21 PM)tramile12 Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 07:43 PM)JOwl Wrote:  Not sure why you're putting this on Hutch. Now the SJP isn't something I'm familiar with (we had U Court back in my day), but I don't think Hutch runs it. Doing a little digging, it seems that Lisa Zollner is the director of SJP, and makes the rulings?

And even if you meant SJP and not Hutch as the target of your displeasure, this assumes that the kid's reading of the situation was correct.

You are naive if you think Dean Hutch doesn't have final say in all this. He is in the convenient position of saying it wasn't his call, or he didn't arrive at this punishment, but he absolutely did. All decisions of the SJP bear his final stamp. I'm so sick of all of his garbage. He lacks personality, imagination, and FUN. He is an elitist of the highest order, and he is not RICE. How much longer must we tolerate this windbag until he is gone?

Sorry, you may disagree with his decisions as Dean, but I'm guessing you were not around when he was a Master (twice IIRC) and chemistry professor, because the bolded statement is flat out wrong. The man was a great professor, I know most, if not all the Brown student's liked him as master, and he was everything Rice valued most while in those positions. His chemistry class was one of the best, most engaging classes I took while at Rice, and he truly cared about students.

Just because he may make decisions you disagree with doesn't mean you should insult him personally.

oh, god forbid I insult the man! That would be just, rude! And an insult would be that he is a Jackazzz, or a Douch.....and so on. I clearly did NOT say those things. I guess he should have stuck with chemistry then, because as a fair disciplinarian he is sorely lacking, as evidenced by decision after decision. Fair is not in his vocabulary.

I stand by my statement.

Keep doubling down and you just might be hired by Fox News. Seriously, have you even met Dean Hutch?

Would you have liked what he said any better if he made a reference that he got a tingle in his leg upon hearing Dean Hutch speak?

(02-27-2015 11:20 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  But what Dean of Undergraduates doesn't get pushback from students? Isn't their whole job to basically make sure that students don't do something that will end up harming the institution, and therefore they pretty much act as the Fun Police?

Exactly -- just like that crusty old Dean Peterson at Springfield University
"No more fun of any kind!"

(02-27-2015 09:08 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 02:07 AM)tramile12 Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 04:30 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 04:21 PM)tramile12 Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 07:43 PM)JOwl Wrote:  Not sure why you're putting this on Hutch. Now the SJP isn't something I'm familiar with (we had U Court back in my day), but I don't think Hutch runs it. Doing a little digging, it seems that Lisa Zollner is the director of SJP, and makes the rulings?

And even if you meant SJP and not Hutch as the target of your displeasure, this assumes that the kid's reading of the situation was correct.

You are naive if you think Dean Hutch doesn't have final say in all this. He is in the convenient position of saying it wasn't his call, or he didn't arrive at this punishment, but he absolutely did. All decisions of the SJP bear his final stamp. I'm so sick of all of his garbage. He lacks personality, imagination, and FUN. He is an elitist of the highest order, and he is not RICE. How much longer must we tolerate this windbag until he is gone?

Sorry, you may disagree with his decisions as Dean, but I'm guessing you were not around when he was a Master (twice IIRC) and chemistry professor, because the bolded statement is flat out wrong. The man was a great professor, I know most, if not all the Brown student's liked him as master, and he was everything Rice valued most while in those positions. His chemistry class was one of the best, most engaging classes I took while at Rice, and he truly cared about students.

Just because he may make decisions you disagree with doesn't mean you should insult him personally.

oh, god forbid I insult the man! That would be just, rude! And an insult would be that he is a Jackazzz, or a Douch.....and so on. I clearly did NOT say those things. I guess he should have stuck with chemistry then, because as a fair disciplinarian he is sorely lacking, as evidenced by decision after decision. Fair is not in his vocabulary.

I stand by my statement.

Keep doubling down and you just might be hired by Fox News. Seriously, have you even met Dean Hutch?

Yes, sigh. Does this legitimize by opinion? He may be the nicest guy in the world, but he is a crappy dean, and does not (in my opinion) represent Rice and all that Rice stands for. I would love to see him gone, and soon.

I really was not trying to answer the question because my intent was to ridicule the PC nanny state that the administration is imposing on this situation. Maybe they should put on a Shakespere play "Much Ado about Nothing" since they are responding to something that they really did not need to bother with.

(02-26-2015 10:30 PM)CrabCake Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 07:16 PM)75src Wrote:  I am shocked that there is nudity going on, just like Renault being shocked there was gambling going on in the movie Casablanca. It reminds me of 1974 when the streaking craze was going on. One streaker ran across the field during the 1974 Rice-UH football game and got by with by hiding some spare clothes with the Rice bench. The same male walked around naked for most of a Rice-Texas baseball game in 1975 and nobody seemed to be worried about it. Maybe people worry too much these days about things we used to not worry about.

BTW, the stripper was not forced to do it and the money is probably better than she could get for some alternative job such as fast food etc.

(02-26-2015 11:36 AM)CrabCake Wrote:  Does anyone have any information regarding the person(s) making the complaint against the student recently elected President of McMurtry College? Are they affiliated with the student which lost the election? Could this be a form of retaliation against the student which won the election? Do they have an axe to grind with the College or elsewhere on campus?

Given what we know as reported in the Rice Thresher, it appears this incident has exploded out of proportion to other "long-standing campus traditions" at Rice (i.e., Baker 13 where students run through campus naked; Night of Decadence where students are packed into a public space scantily clad in the presence of a large amount of alcohol; Hanszen Mardi Gras Party where a stripping contest is held supported by College funds; etc.). So, I wonder if there is something behind it which has yet to come to light?

Or, to pose the question differently, what makes these "long-standing campus traditions" acceptable (and continually supported by the University), yet the hiring of a stripper with private funds to perform in a private setting behind closed doors in the presence of people voluntarily participating is deemed so egregious?

Buhler?

Thanks for the reply, but that doesn't really answer the question. Yes, I do realize that there is nudity on campus as I gave a few examples where such occurs. And, yes, I do realize the stripper was not forced into her activities regardless of the amount of money (which isn't the crux of the debate).

My argument is I don't think rules/regulations are being uniformly applied across campus despite similar situations (i.e., hostile environments) occurring.

(02-27-2015 02:19 PM)tramile12 Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 09:08 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 02:07 AM)tramile12 Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 04:30 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 04:21 PM)tramile12 Wrote:  You are naive if you think Dean Hutch doesn't have final say in all this. He is in the convenient position of saying it wasn't his call, or he didn't arrive at this punishment, but he absolutely did. All decisions of the SJP bear his final stamp. I'm so sick of all of his garbage. He lacks personality, imagination, and FUN. He is an elitist of the highest order, and he is not RICE. How much longer must we tolerate this windbag until he is gone?

Sorry, you may disagree with his decisions as Dean, but I'm guessing you were not around when he was a Master (twice IIRC) and chemistry professor, because the bolded statement is flat out wrong. The man was a great professor, I know most, if not all the Brown student's liked him as master, and he was everything Rice valued most while in those positions. His chemistry class was one of the best, most engaging classes I took while at Rice, and he truly cared about students.

Just because he may make decisions you disagree with doesn't mean you should insult him personally.

oh, god forbid I insult the man! That would be just, rude! And an insult would be that he is a Jackazzz, or a Douch.....and so on. I clearly did NOT say those things. I guess he should have stuck with chemistry then, because as a fair disciplinarian he is sorely lacking, as evidenced by decision after decision. Fair is not in his vocabulary.

I stand by my statement.

Keep doubling down and you just might be hired by Fox News. Seriously, have you even met Dean Hutch?

Yes, sigh. Does this legitimize by opinion? He may be the nicest guy in the world, but he is a crappy dean, and does not (in my opinion) represent Rice and all that Rice stands for. I would love to see him gone, and soon.

So in your words, how exactly does he not represent what Rice stands for?

I'm guessing you're taking about him kowtowing to the vocal minority about certain issues? Or is it something else? So far I'm just hearing a lot of generalities and no well thought out opinions from someone who seems to have such strong ones, and I'm interested in hearing more about why you feel the way you do.