(02-25-2015 08:52 AM)tiger-viper Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 08:46 AM)83msu Wrote:  Gary Parrish stated he had supported the Coach and his discipline methods. Why? Mentioned under Cal there was a constant stream of issues and in 6 years there has been NO major problems under Pastner, only really minor infractions. Gary said he has spoken with Barbee and Kellog who cannot believe Josh has done that well with the players in terms of behavior on/off the court.

Morning Ted. Stay warm.

junkyard dogs vs lap dogs

Having a more loose junkyard dog approach may work some places... but it sure would have been nice in '08 if one of those "junkyard dogs" didn't get suspended for pot before the final four. How different today might be...

I've got no issues with the discipline and suspensions. You want junkyard dogs? These are 19-year olds, most of whom will never play pro ball. It IS still important that they mature and become men and represent the city/university while in the program. If the ONLY thing you care about is entertainment and winning, go watch the NBA, that's literally their job.

(02-25-2015 08:46 AM)83msu Wrote:  Gary Parrish stated he had supported the Coach and his discipline methods. Why? Mentioned under Cal there was a constant stream of issues and in 6 years there has been NO major problems under Pastner, only really minor infractions. Gary said he has spoken with Barbee and Kellog who cannot believe Josh has done that well with the players in terms of behavior on/off the court.

Morning Ted. Stay warm.

nobody cares

(02-25-2015 01:00 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  I have never been a fan of keeping a player out of a game for a minor team’s rules violation. A major infraction yes, but a minor one?

What I hated was running an extra 2 miles after practice and considered this extremely cruel and inhumane punishment, lol. Another thing is the punishment for one may be ineffective for another. What if Jack McDowell was also late with Austin? While I hated mindless running other guy couldn’t stand pushups.

Also limiting a players PT hurts the entire team and can throw off the rotation & chemistry. In the military they make you sweat for your minor mistakes and don’t order you to remain in the barracks while the others head for the battlefield.

But hey I’m oldschool and believe me, sweat works.

Remember in the beginning of the season, Pastner said he would "alter" his discipline to make all players suffer for one person's failures.

Holding out Austin for four minutes hardly a) punishes Austin or b)hurts the team.

BUT, making ALL the players (except Austin) run sprints after the game sends a much bigger message.

Obviously, this was another empty preseason promise pastner made that he didn't follow through on.

(02-25-2015 08:52 AM)tiger-viper Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 08:46 AM)83msu Wrote:  Gary Parrish stated he had supported the Coach and his discipline methods. Why? Mentioned under Cal there was a constant stream of issues and in 6 years there has been NO major problems under Pastner, only really minor infractions. Gary said he has spoken with Barbee and Kellog who cannot believe Josh has done that well with the players in terms of behavior on/off the court.

Morning Ted. Stay warm.

junkyard dogs vs lap dogs

WOW. You think Geron or Michael Dixon or Calvin or Austin is a lap dog?

(02-25-2015 10:36 AM)btiger Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 08:46 AM)83msu Wrote:  Gary Parrish stated he had supported the Coach and his discipline methods. Why? Mentioned under Cal there was a constant stream of issues and in 6 years there has been NO major problems under Pastner, only really minor infractions. Gary said he has spoken with Barbee and Kellog who cannot believe Josh has done that well with the players in terms of behavior on/off the court.

Morning Ted. Stay warm.

nobody cares

YOU don't care but we knew that.

(02-25-2015 10:48 AM)83msu Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 10:36 AM)btiger Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 08:46 AM)83msu Wrote:  Gary Parrish stated he had supported the Coach and his discipline methods. Why? Mentioned under Cal there was a constant stream of issues and in 6 years there has been NO major problems under Pastner, only really minor infractions. Gary said he has spoken with Barbee and Kellog who cannot believe Josh has done that well with the players in terms of behavior on/off the court.

Morning Ted. Stay warm.

nobody cares

YOU don't care but we knew that.

I don't think Coach Finch got his due for keeping the program straight after Dana Kirk left, especially since we were in the NCAA's cross hairs.

Seems to me that we could appreciate Coach Pastner a little more for running what is generally viewed as a very clean program.

Now, if we could just win a few big games...

(02-24-2015 01:30 PM)fsquid Wrote:  so is the column positive or negative?

Depends whether or not you're your in the crowd of, Josh needs more than 6 years to get it done, or in the crowd of those that think 6 years is time enough and wants a new coach in here for the betterment of the players and the program.

(02-24-2015 01:15 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 01:12 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  Wasn't Memphis up 18-2 before Nichols even hit the floor? Seem to me it was a valuable lesson to a premier player that life will go on without you.

Austin doesn't strike me as the type of guy who needs to learn that lesson, but ok.

Nah, Josh just wants to make Wally Cleavers out of all our players.

(02-24-2015 02:02 PM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 01:55 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 01:45 PM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 01:41 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 01:36 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  Can't disagree with any of this.

I don't disagree with that either, but when you are having so many suspensions, at some point you have to start questioning the leadership and culture.

Could you argue the opposite though and say that by sticking to his guns re: rules and expectations he's portraying good leadership? And the opposite of good leadership is changing the rules when they fit your need at the moment? Not arguing with you just saying the "leadership and culture" angle can be played both ways.

My point is the culture should be such that you shouldn't have to have this many suspensions.

That's fair. I guess I look at it for the little stuff (AN missing bus, players mouthing off, players late for meetings) as kids being kids and they've probably never had to live up to those kind of requirements/repercussions regularly when it comes to sports (whether those requirements are fair/unfair probably diff discussion) so they lapse every now and then. I also think these kind of "nipping it in the bud" moves do play a role in the lack of "major/criminal" infractions his players have committed.

Or maybe, just maybe good parenting had something to do with it.

(02-24-2015 12:12 PM)UPStiger Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 08:50 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  I've been trying since January to pay for my online subscription to the CA..
I've emailed them 3 or 4 times already with no response.
I keep getting a 'no such account exists with that email address' bs answer.
Carumba.

I had a lot of problems initially as well. The system is WAY convoluted. Finally called and they put me on with a tech guy. He literally talked me through the whole process in a couple of minutes. Works fine now on my phone, home & work computers.

whenever I logged in, it said I didn't have an account.
They finally reset my password so that I could log in and pay for my subscription.

We are way past his discipline techniques. Just win - in March please. Throw a chair if you want. Or have slumber parties, and pillow fights with the players, and they can be your best buds.. We don't care, just win.

(02-25-2015 11:15 AM)wylioats Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 02:02 PM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 01:55 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 01:45 PM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 01:41 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  I don't disagree with that either, but when you are having so many suspensions, at some point you have to start questioning the leadership and culture.

Could you argue the opposite though and say that by sticking to his guns re: rules and expectations he's portraying good leadership? And the opposite of good leadership is changing the rules when they fit your need at the moment? Not arguing with you just saying the "leadership and culture" angle can be played both ways.

My point is the culture should be such that you shouldn't have to have this many suspensions.

That's fair. I guess I look at it for the little stuff (AN missing bus, players mouthing off, players late for meetings) as kids being kids and they've probably never had to live up to those kind of requirements/repercussions regularly when it comes to sports (whether those requirements are fair/unfair probably diff discussion) so they lapse every now and then. I also think these kind of "nipping it in the bud" moves do play a role in the lack of "major/criminal" infractions his players have committed.

Or maybe, just maybe good parenting had something to do with it.

No doubt, but the other side of that argument would seem to be that when kids do get in trouble while at school the blame is piled on the parents but I think we all know in reality the coach/staff get the brunt of the blame (fair or not).