ACC
1) Boston College
2) Syracuse
3) Pittsburgh
4) West Virginia
5) Notre Dame
6) Louisville
7) Virginia Tech
8) Virginia
9) North Carolina State
10) North Carolina
11) Wake Forest
12) Duke
13) Clemson
14) Georgia Tech
15) Florida State
16) Miami (FL)

Big
1) Connecticut
2) Rutgers
3) Penn State
4) Maryland
5) Ohio State
6) Michigan State
7) Michigan
8) Indiana
9) Purdue
10) Northwestern
11) Illinois
12) Wisconsin
13) Minnesota
14) Nebraska
15) Iowa
16) Kansas

PAC
1) Washington
2) Washington State
3) Oregon
4) Oregon State
5) Stanford
6) California
7) UCLA
8) USC
9) Arizona
10) Arizona State
11) Utah
12) Colorado
13) Kansas State
14) Oklahoma State
15) TCU
16) Texas Tech

SEC

1) South Carolina
2) Georgia
3) Florida
4) Kentucky
5) Tennessee
6) Vanderbilt
7) Alabama
8) Auburn
9) Mississippi State
10) Ole Miss
11) Missouri
12) Arkansas
13) LSU
14) Oklahoma
15) Texas A&M
16) Texas

Baylor and Iowa State join the American.

Oh goodie....

For football, why not discard the conferences all together and go to the NFL model with 64 schools under one tent? Maximize your leverage; get rid of the middlemen; and maintain regional rivalries.

(02-24-2015 12:34 AM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  For football, why not discard the conferences all together and go to the NFL model with 64 schools under one tent? Maximize your leverage; get rid of the middlemen; and maintain regional rivalries.

I LOVE the idea of 8 divisions with 8 schools in them. There could be 4 eastern divisions and 4 western divisions.

It won't happen. It would take way too much trust/coordination. But, it would be cool. the only problem that I see is determining who gets left out.

Pac - 12
Big XII - 10
SEC - 14
B1G - 14
ACC - 14
Ind - 1/2

That totals: 65/66 (pending BYU)

So, 1-2 schools would have to get bounced. That number goes up if g5 schools like UCF and UC are included. Basically, which 1-4 school(s) has (have) no friends, political power, financial backing, or athletic prowess?

(02-24-2015 12:01 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  ACC
1) Boston College
2) Syracuse
3) Pittsburgh
4) West Virginia
5) Notre Dame
6) Louisville
7) Virginia Tech
8) Virginia
9) North Carolina State
10) North Carolina
11) Wake Forest
12) Duke
13) Clemson
14) Georgia Tech
15) Florida State
16) Miami (FL)

Big
1) Connecticut
2) Rutgers
3) Penn State
4) Maryland
5) Ohio State
6) Michigan State
7) Michigan
8) Indiana
9) Purdue
10) Northwestern
11) Illinois
12) Wisconsin
13) Minnesota
14) Nebraska
15) Iowa
16) Kansas

PAC
1) Washington
2) Washington State
3) Oregon
4) Oregon State
5) Stanford
6) California
7) UCLA
8) USC
9) Arizona
10) Arizona State
11) Utah
12) Colorado
13) Kansas State
14) Oklahoma State
15) TCU
16) Texas Tech

SEC

1) South Carolina
2) Georgia
3) Florida
4) Kentucky
5) Tennessee
6) Vanderbilt
7) Alabama
8) Auburn
9) Mississippi State
10) Ole Miss
11) Missouri
12) Arkansas
13) LSU
14) Oklahoma
15) Texas A&M
16) Texas

Baylor and Iowa State join the American.

You gave PAC the garbage to make it work huh.

If the BIG wasn't so caught up on academics adding WVU and UVA would be a perfect combo for their east coast adventures.

BIG east
Rutgers
Syracuse
Penn State
Maryland
West Virginia
Virginia
Ohio State
Purdue
Indiana

BIG west
Michigan
Michigan St
Illinois
Northwestern
Wisconsin
Nebraska
Minnesota
Iowa

(02-24-2015 12:01 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  ACC
1) Boston College
2) Syracuse
3) Pittsburgh
4) West Virginia
5) Notre Dame
6) Louisville
7) Virginia Tech
8) Virginia
9) North Carolina State
10) North Carolina
11) Wake Forest
12) Duke
13) Clemson
14) Georgia Tech
15) Florida State
16) Miami (FL)

Big
1) Connecticut
2) Rutgers
3) Penn State
4) Maryland
5) Ohio State
6) Michigan State
7) Michigan
8) Indiana
9) Purdue
10) Northwestern
11) Illinois
12) Wisconsin
13) Minnesota
14) Nebraska
15) Iowa
16) Kansas

PAC
1) Washington
2) Washington State
3) Oregon
4) Oregon State
5) Stanford
6) California
7) UCLA
8) USC
9) Arizona
10) Arizona State
11) Utah
12) Colorado
13) Kansas State
14) Oklahoma State
15) TCU
16) Texas Tech

SEC

1) South Carolina
2) Georgia
3) Florida
4) Kentucky
5) Tennessee
6) Vanderbilt
7) Alabama
8) Auburn
9) Mississippi State
10) Ole Miss
11) Missouri
12) Arkansas
13) LSU
14) Oklahoma
15) Texas A&M
16) Texas

Baylor and Iowa State join the American.

UL was the last school forced on a P5 that would have rather not had them, yet you manage to find them a home while 2 long time P5 schools get kicked out. how convenient for you.

Baylor should stay P4 while UL goes American, where it has a history.

(02-24-2015 08:01 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 12:01 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  ACC
1) Boston College
2) Syracuse
3) Pittsburgh
4) West Virginia
5) Notre Dame
6) Louisville
7) Virginia Tech
8) Virginia
9) North Carolina State
10) North Carolina
11) Wake Forest
12) Duke
13) Clemson
14) Georgia Tech
15) Florida State
16) Miami (FL)

Big
1) Connecticut
2) Rutgers
3) Penn State
4) Maryland
5) Ohio State
6) Michigan State
7) Michigan
8) Indiana
9) Purdue
10) Northwestern
11) Illinois
12) Wisconsin
13) Minnesota
14) Nebraska
15) Iowa
16) Kansas

PAC
1) Washington
2) Washington State
3) Oregon
4) Oregon State
5) Stanford
6) California
7) UCLA
8) USC
9) Arizona
10) Arizona State
11) Utah
12) Colorado
13) Kansas State
14) Oklahoma State
15) TCU
16) Texas Tech

SEC

1) South Carolina
2) Georgia
3) Florida
4) Kentucky
5) Tennessee
6) Vanderbilt
7) Alabama
8) Auburn
9) Mississippi State
10) Ole Miss
11) Missouri
12) Arkansas
13) LSU
14) Oklahoma
15) Texas A&M
16) Texas

Baylor and Iowa State join the American.

UL was the last school forced on a P5 that would have rather not had them, yet you manage to find them a home while 2 long time P5 schools get kicked out. how convenient for you.

Baylor should stay P4 while UL goes American, where it has a history.

No thanks. The AAC was an embarrassing disaster even if it was for only one year. I prefer to not even remember it. We are where we belong in a P5 league. You are where you belong

(02-24-2015 08:46 AM)rednblackattack Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 08:01 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 12:01 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  ACC
1) Boston College
2) Syracuse
3) Pittsburgh
4) West Virginia
5) Notre Dame
6) Louisville
7) Virginia Tech
8) Virginia
9) North Carolina State
10) North Carolina
11) Wake Forest
12) Duke
13) Clemson
14) Georgia Tech
15) Florida State
16) Miami (FL)

Big
1) Connecticut
2) Rutgers
3) Penn State
4) Maryland
5) Ohio State
6) Michigan State
7) Michigan
8) Indiana
9) Purdue
10) Northwestern
11) Illinois
12) Wisconsin
13) Minnesota
14) Nebraska
15) Iowa
16) Kansas

PAC
1) Washington
2) Washington State
3) Oregon
4) Oregon State
5) Stanford
6) California
7) UCLA
8) USC
9) Arizona
10) Arizona State
11) Utah
12) Colorado
13) Kansas State
14) Oklahoma State
15) TCU
16) Texas Tech

SEC

1) South Carolina
2) Georgia
3) Florida
4) Kentucky
5) Tennessee
6) Vanderbilt
7) Alabama
8) Auburn
9) Mississippi State
10) Ole Miss
11) Missouri
12) Arkansas
13) LSU
14) Oklahoma
15) Texas A&M
16) Texas

Baylor and Iowa State join the American.

UL was the last school forced on a P5 that would have rather not had them, yet you manage to find them a home while 2 long time P5 schools get kicked out. how convenient for you.

Baylor should stay P4 while UL goes American, where it has a history.

No thanks. The AAC was an embarrassing disaster even if it was for only one year. I prefer to not even remember it. We are where we belong in a P5 league. You are where you belong

Don't see contraction to 64 could see expansion to 72

UCONN
CINCI
BYU
BOISE
Air Force
Navy
The question do they leave Army out. I think they should, but that may be easier than choosing from Col St, Nevada, UCF, Memphis, ECU and Marshall.

No matter what line is drawn (64, 72, etc.) it's arbitrary and ridiculous.

(02-24-2015 12:01 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  ACC
1) Boston College
2) Syracuse
3) Pittsburgh
4) West Virginia
5) Notre Dame
6) Louisville
7) Virginia Tech
8) Virginia
9) North Carolina State
10) North Carolina
11) Wake Forest
12) Duke
13) Clemson
14) Georgia Tech
15) Florida State
16) Miami (FL)

Big
1) Connecticut
2) Rutgers
3) Penn State
4) Maryland
5) Ohio State
6) Michigan State
7) Michigan
8) Indiana
9) Purdue
10) Northwestern
11) Illinois
12) Wisconsin
13) Minnesota
14) Nebraska
15) Iowa
16) Kansas

PAC
1) Washington
2) Washington State
3) Oregon
4) Oregon State
5) Stanford
6) California
7) UCLA
8) USC
9) Arizona
10) Arizona State
11) Utah
12) Colorado
13) Kansas State
14) Oklahoma State
15) TCU
16) Texas Tech

SEC

1) South Carolina
2) Georgia
3) Florida
4) Kentucky
5) Tennessee
6) Vanderbilt
7) Alabama
8) Auburn
9) Mississippi State
10) Ole Miss
11) Missouri
12) Arkansas
13) LSU
14) Oklahoma
15) Texas A&M
16) Texas

Baylor and Iowa State join the American.

If Texas and Oklahoma went to the SEC, why would the PAC want KState, OSU, Tech, and TCU? That and ISU/Baylor merge with AAC programs. PAC already turned down the Texahoma 4.

Dream on.

(02-24-2015 11:03 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  If Texas and Oklahoma went to the SEC, why would the PAC want KState, OSU, Tech, and TCU? That and ISU/Baylor merge with AAC programs. PAC already turned down the Texahoma 4.

There is no real benefit to the PAC 12 to expand further. They can't undo geography, and the fact is they have pretty much already cornered the market on the attractive programs west of the Rockies. If there is ever going to be a P4 with all conferences of equal size, it will only include 48 schools. What are the odds that will ever happen?

I don't get this determination of some around here to fit Texas into the SEC with A&M. There is no way Texas will kowtow to the point where they will tuck their tail between their legs and follow A&M anywhere. Texas is NOT a follower, especially when it's A&M that they'd be following.

It's a stupid premise. The fact that it keeps being pushed forward only shows a complete lack of any kind of knowledge about Texas, it's fans, and it's leadership.

These threads are ridiculous. As has been pointed out endless times, they are just an excuse to build the perfect situation for whichever program(s) the OP supports.

However, if we are going to make such significant changes, then we should move to 16 geographical/regional focused, 8 team leagues (there are 128 D1A football programs), with 12 games as a standard schedule (including byes in league play). Five autonomous non-conference games. Play everyone else in your league (no super conferences with imbalanced scheduling to determine a league champion).

Champions of each league in a Sweet 16 type playoff. Easy path for the big dogs in each regional grouping to make the tournament, and 5 non league games to improve the SOS, or satisfy non-regional rivalries for the fan base/TV overlords. (Alternative - 11 game schedule, 7/4, add CCG for each division, or expand playoff to 32).

Championship of the region determined ONLY by regional game results. Other games help determine SOS for playoff seeding, possible round 1 home games.

Almost none of the current "P5" programs will do it because they are too proud. However, it would be the best possible scenario for the health of the sport, viability of athletic departments (and inclusion), travel would be easier on the players, and (dare we dream) the fans would benefit from ease of travel, and local rivalries. It's an asburd tragedy that it will never, ever happen.

Here is an example of a regional division/league (these could be for football only, if necessary):

App State
Charlotte
Duke
ECU
UNC
NC State
Old Dominion
Wake Forest

Progams like UNC could use 5 nonconference games to schedule opponents like Clemson, Miami, FSU etc, to preserve SOS and rivalries. In fact, as much as 42% of their schedule could be former ACC teams OTHER than Wake, NCSU and Duke, if they so chose. Legacy conference scheduling agreements could preserve continuing basketball/olympic sport rivalries.

This would produce maximum rivarly interest and engage the region's fans in every game, every week. ODU is closer to ECU than UVA. Absolutely unfathomable in practice. Will probably make someone angry just reading the suggestion.

(02-24-2015 02:37 PM)Artifice Wrote:  These threads are ridiculous. As has been pointed out endless times, they are just an excuse to build the perfect situation for whichever program(s) the OP supports.

However, if we are going to make such significant changes, then we should move to 16 geographical/regional focused, 8 team leagues (there are 128 D1A football programs), with 12 games as a standard schedule (including byes in league play). Five autonomous non-conference games. Play everyone else in your league (no super conferences with imbalanced scheduling to determine a league champion).

Champions of each league in a Sweet 16 type playoff. Easy path for the big dogs in each regional grouping to make the tournament, and 5 non league games to improve the SOS, or satisfy non-regional rivalries for the fan base/TV overlords. (Alternative - 11 game schedule, 7/4, add CCG for each division, or expand playoff to 32).

Championship of the region determined ONLY by regional game results. Other games help determine SOS for playoff seeding, possible round 1 home games.

Almost none of the current "P5" programs will do it because they are too proud. However, it would be the best possible scenario for the health of the sport, viability of athletic departments (and inclusion), travel would be easier on the players, and (dare we dream) the fans would benefit from ease of travel, and local rivalries. It's an asburd tragedy that it will never, ever happen.

Here is an example of a regional division/league (these could be for football only, if necessary):

App State
Charlotte
Duke
ECU
UNC
NC State
Old Dominion
Wake Forest

Progams like UNC could use 5 nonconference games to schedule opponents like Clemson, Miami, FSU etc, to preserve SOS and rivalries. In fact, as much as 42% of their schedule could be former ACC teams OTHER than Wake, NCSU and Duke, if they so chose. Legacy conference scheduling agreements could preserve continuing basketball/olympic sport rivalries.

This would produce maximum rivarly interest and engage the region's fans in every game, every week. ODU is closer to ECU than UVA. Absolutely unfathomable in practice. Will probably make someone angry just reading the suggestion.

So your idea is to take 16 of the strongest football programs and disperse them around the country by putting them in conferences with overmatched opponents so they have an easy, in some cases almost guaranteed route to a championship playoff. In the process, you would limit the likely audiences for those conference games to the narrowest possible regions. You would leave the games fans would actually want to watch to the non-conference slate, which don't affect which teams qualify for the playoffs. And you think this would engage fans, not turn them off. Is that about it?

I would say that is about as inaccurate a depiction as possible. Just to start with, most historical rivalries are preserved in a geographic setting. In this case, focusing on a couple of the major programs in this grouping: UNC will continue scheduling "Big 4" in state ACC opponents Duke, NCSU, and Wake. ECU is a strong regional rival to both NC State and UNC. NCSU is already playing ECU and ODU. UNC played ECU twice recently, and lost both games. Those are games the fans "want to see". Playing other regional games (eg App St) would generate far more interest than playing a random FCS or low rung FBS school from across the country. That's where the real subsititutions are - replacing far flung low interest conference games and non-conference games with regional games.

Also, you conveniently overlooked the non-conference scheduling agreements/autonomy.

Let's take UNC as an example, since it's a big state school.

Example schedule:

App State
Charlotte
Clemson*
Delaware*
Duke
ECU
Illinois*
Ga Tech*
Miami*
NC State
Old Dominion
Wake Forest

Compare that to their actual schedule:

Delaware
Duke
Ga Tech
Illinois
Miami
NC A&T
NCSU
Pitt
So Carolina
UVA
Va Tech
Wake Forest

Not much difference. They do not even play conference mate Clemson in 2015. Or Florida State, the defending ACC champion. That is wrong, IMO. And it's a game people would want to see. Losing that A&T game sucks, I know. Does anyone actually care about UNC-Pitt? Is that one of those must see games? Wouldnt it be better to play ECU or even ODU instead?

The non-conference games would definitely affect overall record and SOS, which would earn home field advantage in an early round(s) playoff game. This was intended to mimick the NFL, which is a proven incentive. It also mimicks the NCAA basketball tournament where protected seeds get nearby games in friendly host sites to grease the skids through the first weekend. Same concept.

The other way to do it is to use in conference games to qualify for a CCG, like the current system. The only change there is that winning the CCG officially gets you in the playoff. Big 12 fans will like that.

Like I said though, the tone of your response was expected, however misplaced and myopic.

BTW, if your biggest hangup is the focus on in conference record, that could be dropped in favor of an overall record with in conference tie breakers much as say the SEC does now.

The net effect of that would be a devaluing of home games for current P5 mambers in favor of the need to "schedule down" to generate more Ws. That would shift scheduling leverage more in favor of G5 teams and low end P5 teams - which I am not opposed to since it would foster more equity in scheduling. They currently have no leverage. This would give them some.

Over time, it would even out the playing field and create more competition regionally. That is interesting and therefore good for the game.

Sorry, Artifice, but if you think for a minute that UNC or NC State are going to give up millions in TV revenue every year to belong to a conference like that just to give schools like ODU, Charlotte and App State a more appealing schedule, I can't argue with you.

Who said anything about giving up revenue?

If you are going to make an attempt at counterpoint, you can do it from a genuinely interested standpoint and I will respond.

If you just want to continue to post pithy, self congratulatory assumptions, then no, I will not discuss this with you.