I saw the first few minutes but then had to leave the house. I can't believe that pace held up for the entire game. 50%+ FG%, 19 assists and only 9 turnovers? I'm not sure where the hell that came from but I like it.

Too bad that same team didn't show up at home against EMU...a first round home game would be nice.

A frustrating loss for Toledo fans, but honestly NIU shot well. Those looks at the end of the game were contested and ya'll buried em. Other teams shoot well in our arena...puzzling. Lots of offensive rebounds and second/third chances led to your lead in the first half. Good win for you guys. Although it doesn't seem like that shooting performance was a norm for NIU.

(02-27-2015 12:33 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Although it doesn't seem like that shooting performance was a norm for NIU.

It wasn't.

The Huskies came into the Toledo game shooting 46%fg and 40% from 3pt over their previous 5 games.

(02-27-2015 12:33 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  A frustrating loss for Toledo fans, but honestly NIU shot well. Those looks at the end of the game were contested and ya'll buried em. Other teams shoot well in our arena...puzzling. Lots of offensive rebounds and second/third chances led to your lead in the first half. Good win for you guys. Although it doesn't seem like that shooting performance was a norm for NIU.

Understatement of the year.

I'm happy to see that they can at least occasionally shoot really well. I had thought in previous years that some of the players seemed tight, not really relaxed when they shot, thought I might have been imagining it.

Current stats: Huskies 424%fg, Huskies 323% from 3pt and 684%ft. Opponents 444%fg, Opponents 338% from 3pt and 698%ft.

Scenario: You are on a selection committee for the NCAA tourney and you have to decide between these two teams, which one do you take:

Team A 18-9
RPI: 46
Overall SOS: 91
Non-conf SOS: 91


Team B 19-9
RPI: 42
Overall SOS: 81
Non-conf SOS: 210

(02-27-2015 12:46 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Scenario: You are on a selection committee for the NCAA tourney and you have to decide between these two teams, which one do you take:

Team A 18-9
RPI: 46
Overall SOS: 91
Non-conf SOS: 91


Team B 19-9
RPI: 42
Overall SOS: 81
Non-conf SOS: 210

A . better non-cong SoS. With an opportunity to play one more game, they could easily be at 42 RPI .

(02-27-2015 08:38 AM)dekalb222 Wrote:  The Huskies came into the Toledo game shooting 46%fg and 40% from 3pt over their previous 5 games.

The offense has improved as the year has gone on. Odd as it is to say.

(02-27-2015 12:24 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  The Huskies came into the Toledo game shooting 46%fg and 40% from 3pt over their previous 5 games.

Current stats: Huskies 424%fg, Huskies 323% from 3pt and 684%ft. Opponents 444%fg, Opponents 338% from 3pt and 698%ft.

NIU shot 52% from the floor -- how is that not considered above the norm even when you single out the last five games at 46% and the real season percentage is 42%? It's higher than either number!
NIU shot 50% from three-point range -- how is that not above the norm even when you single out the last five games at 40% and the real season percentage is 32%? It's higher than either number!
NIU shot 87.5% from the line -- how is that not considered above the norm when the season percentage is 69.8%?
The statement was: "Although it doesn't seem like that shooting performance was a norm for NIU. "
It wasn't! Check our game-highs for season stats:
-- fg made: 34 at Toledo (2-25-15)
-- fg attempted: 65 at Toledo (2-25-15) and at Buffalo (1-14-15)
-- FG%: .553 (26-47) Ball State (2-10-15) / .523 (34-65) at Toledo (2-25-15)
-- 3PT fgm: 9 at Toledo (2-25-15)
-- 3PT fg%: .571 (8-14) Ball State (2-10-15) / .500 (9-18) at Toledo (2-25-15)
-- Free throw%: .875 (7-8) at Toledo (2-25-15) / .864 (19-22) at Ohio (1-7-15).

A single-game season high for Field Goals Made, 3-Point Field Goals Made, and Free Throw % AND equalling the season high for Field Goals Attempted PLUS the second highest tally for Field Goal % and 3-Point Field Goal % --- all qualify as being not the norm!

(02-27-2015 05:51 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:46 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Scenario: You are on a selection committee for the NCAA tourney and you have to decide between these two teams, which one do you take:

Team A 18-9
RPI: 46
Overall SOS: 91
Non-conf SOS: 91


Team B 19-9
RPI: 42
Overall SOS: 81
Non-conf SOS: 210

A . better non-cong SoS. With an opportunity to play one more game, they could easily be at 42 RPI .

You have chosen the Buffalo Bulls over the Ohio State Buckeyes.

(02-28-2015 02:37 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 05:51 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:46 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Scenario: You are on a selection committee for the NCAA tourney and you have to decide between these two teams, which one do you take:

Team A 18-9
RPI: 46
Overall SOS: 91
Non-conf SOS: 91


Team B 19-9
RPI: 42
Overall SOS: 81
Non-conf SOS: 210

A . better non-cong SoS. With an opportunity to play one more game, they could easily be at 42 RPI .

You have chosen the Buffalo Bulls over the Ohio State Buckeyes.

This doesn't look at record against good teams. Which the committee does.

(02-28-2015 02:37 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  You have chosen the Buffalo Bulls over the Ohio State Buckeyes.

No offense MD, but regarless of where you are getting these numbers from, you're cherry-picking. This is one point in time.
These numbers do not stay the same -- they change with every result and whichever outlet is calculating the mumbers.
CBS has the following numbers:
overall RPI: UB 0.5830 - OSU 0.5828 +.0002
non-conf. RPI: UB 0.6098 - OSU 0.5677 +.0421
Conf. RPI: UB 0.5612 - OSU 0.6007 -.0395

But here's the deal, no one is guaranteed a spot based on RPI alone. In another thread with Teddy Greenstein taking part in an NCAA seminar using the committee methods it was emphasized that W-L vs. teams with RPI 1-50, 51-100, 101-150, etc. is considered a more relevant factor than SOS alone.
So what is UB's record vs. the different RPI levels compared to OSU?
How much do those numbers change over the last few games?
Most important, no matter what your SOS is, being in the top 68 RPI doesn't guarantee a thing. Remember, you've got 31 conference tournament winners and the Ivy League champ guaranteed a spot -- that's 32 of 68 leaving 34 berths. Then take into account a regular-season conference champion that didn't win its league tourney, so you have to take away some more spots.
Then start factoring in the records vs. the various RPI levels and there are really only a handful spots and you probably have five or six schools not in who are still ahead of Buffalo. They may be in the 40s now, but the next best MAC schools are in the 70s, so if UB can't win out, then you can bet their SOS, RPI, etc. will drop.
No question you are an NIU die-hard first and MAC die-hard second, but your passion is like blinders limiting your view.

Ohio St. was 20-9 with a 38 RPI at the time of the post.

(02-28-2015 03:53 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(02-28-2015 02:37 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  You have chosen the Buffalo Bulls over the Ohio State Buckeyes.

No offense MD, but regarless of where you are getting these numbers from, you're cherry-picking. This is one point in time.
These numbers do not stay the same -- they change with every result and whichever outlet is calculating the mumbers.
CBS has the following numbers:
overall RPI: UB 0.5830 - OSU 0.5828 +.0002
non-conf. RPI: UB 0.6098 - OSU 0.5677 +.0421
Conf. RPI: UB 0.5612 - OSU 0.6007 -.0395

But here's the deal, no one is guaranteed a spot based on RPI alone. In another thread with Teddy Greenstein taking part in an NCAA seminar using the committee methods it was emphasized that W-L vs. teams with RPI 1-50, 51-100, 101-150, etc. is considered a more relevant factor than SOS alone.
So what is UB's record vs. the different RPI levels compared to OSU?
How much do those numbers change over the last few games?
Most important, no matter what your SOS is, being in the top 68 RPI doesn't guarantee a thing. Remember, you've got 31 conference tournament winners and the Ivy League champ guaranteed a spot -- that's 32 of 68 leaving 34 berths. Then take into account a regular-season conference champion that didn't win its league tourney, so you have to take away some more spots.
Then start factoring in the records vs. the various RPI levels and there are really only a handful spots and you probably have five or six schools not in who are still ahead of Buffalo. They may be in the 40s now, but the next best MAC schools are in the 70s, so if UB can't win out, then you can bet their SOS, RPI, etc. will drop.
No question you are an NIU die-hard first and MAC die-hard second, but your passion is like blinders limiting your view.

Your logic is well meaning but has no chance against this mountain of madness.

(02-28-2015 03:48 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(02-28-2015 02:37 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 05:51 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:46 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Scenario: You are on a selection committee for the NCAA tourney and you have to decide between these two teams, which one do you take:

Team A 18-9
RPI: 46
Overall SOS: 91
Non-conf SOS: 91


Team B 19-9
RPI: 42
Overall SOS: 81
Non-conf SOS: 210

A . better non-cong SoS. With an opportunity to play one more game, they could easily be at 42 RPI .

You have chosen the Buffalo Bulls over the Ohio State Buckeyes.

This doesn't look at record against good teams. Which the committee does.

Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't looking at SOS considering the 'record' of other teams? I guess it would also depend if the teams that the Bulls won against were also the teams that brought their OOS rank closer to 1, too.

(02-28-2015 05:15 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(02-28-2015 03:48 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(02-28-2015 02:37 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 05:51 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(02-27-2015 12:46 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Scenario: You are on a selection committee for the NCAA tourney and you have to decide between these two teams, which one do you take:

Team A 18-9
RPI: 46
Overall SOS: 91
Non-conf SOS: 91


Team B 19-9
RPI: 42
Overall SOS: 81
Non-conf SOS: 210

A . better non-cong SoS. With an opportunity to play one more game, they could easily be at 42 RPI .

You have chosen the Buffalo Bulls over the Ohio State Buckeyes.

This doesn't look at record against good teams. Which the committee does.

Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't looking at SOS considering the 'record' of other teams? I guess it would also depend if the teams that the Bulls won against were also the teams that brought their OOS rank closer to 1, too.

In an oblique way, kinda. The committee is interested in your record against tournament worthy foes.

Team A might face a bunch of mediocre teams and have a similar rpi as Team B that has faced some really good teams and some really bad teams.

But the selection committee would be more impressed with a few wins over the top end teams than with a bunch of wins over mediocre teams, even though the RPI makes the strength of schedule look similar.

Buffalo really trying to make an interesting case, #32 RPI

RPI is just one ranking system. And it by far is the highest of UB's ranks. They have 6 losses in the MAC... you can't get in the NCAA tourney with 7 losses in a one bid league! They'd have to win out, and lose in the MAC tourney finals to be in the talk for consideration. And there are 10 teams that will and should go ahead of UB.

They have a good win vs. SDSU, tough losses to Wisconsin and Kentucky.... but the rest of their schedule consists of spaghetti teams + MAC play. No case needed to be made. Their RPI will be mid 30's if they win out and lose in the MAC tourney, but they'll have 10 losses. Toledo was skipped out with a 27-6 record and a 34 RPI last season. It'll happen again without a mention of the bulls.

The MAC has zero chance of getting 2 teams in the tourney. End of discussion.