If any of you ever watched a game @UAB in person you must have seen the way their scoreboard strobes as the shooter is shooting fts. With any light what you see depends on the light you are standing in. So I really don't know if the shooter can see it or not but it does reflect across the glass and especially on the shot clock above the glass and the covered edges and in the darken background of the arena.

I've been to a ton of away games and this was the first time I've seen a scoreboard being used like this. I know it must be legal to do but it makes you think...

how is it

The video will show what I'm talking about and in person it's a lot bigger affect than the video shows. But maybe standing in the bright lights on the courts you can't see it..don't know. They first start out with the top and bottom bands of the score board flashing/strobe as the ref hands the player the ball the video boards flash on all sides

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEbaQKC0WiY

Conference teams shooting fts @UAB

Western 59% ...season 66%
Tech 56%...................68%
S. Miss 59%................63%
FAU 53%.....................67%
Charlotte 53%...............63%
FIU 71%......................63%
ODU 80%....................68%

I glanced at OOC games @UAB and for the most part it's about 50-50 on teams shooting under their season % so I don't know if the stats shows anything on this.

Interesting stats for sure.

In this thread I also learned that CUSA has a lot of really terrible FT shooting teams. Half the league shooting under 70% from line for the season. That's just terrible.

The camera picks up the flicker more than eyes do in person. Take a video of your TV and post that too. You'll get the same lighting issues.

How about you compare home and away free throw shooting for those same teams at other venues other than Bartow. Away FT percentages are usually going to be lower than at home. Crowd noise plays a major part in that.

WKU shot .455 (5-11) from the charity stripe at La Tech. WKU just isn't a consistent free throw shooting team.

Doubt it means anything. The light is annoying though.

Overall, opponents have missed MAYBE 3 or 4 freethrows more than the season average. That's combined for all teams, not each team. I don't really see that as an indicator of anything.

edit: it's more of an indicator of playing on the road than anything most likely

This is Troy State's new basketball arena. Notice their TV placement.

(02-23-2015 01:01 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  

This is Troy State's new basketball arena. Notice their TV placement.

That is far too nice for Troy, lol...But it does make a fine pee stop on the way to FL

(02-23-2015 12:59 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  The camera picks up the flicker more than eyes do in person. Take a video of your TV and post that too. You'll get the same lighting issues.

How about you compare home and away free throw shooting for those same teams at other venues other than Bartow. Away FT percentages are usually going to be lower than at home. Crowd noise plays a major part in that.

WKU shot .455 (5-11) from the charity stripe at La Tech. WKU just isn't a consistent free throw shooting team.

I will be the first to say Western is a poor ft shooting team. That wasn't my question or the point of this topic. Like I said I don't know if the stats shows anything but up till last Friday those were the stats. I just don't see how this would be any different than say students sitting behind the basket using strobes or lasers as long as it's not pointed at the shooter.

No it's not the same as the flicker on the TV and in person it's worse than on the video. With that I don't have a clue on how it is on the floor..

light can affect how you see a strobe. And like I said I've seen a TON of road games in person and this is the first time I've seen a scoreboard used like this.

Without knowing the road ft shooting percentages in venues other than Bartow, I don't think there's any way to say it's affecting it.

(02-23-2015 01:13 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-23-2015 12:59 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  The camera picks up the flicker more than eyes do in person. Take a video of your TV and post that too. You'll get the same lighting issues.

How about you compare home and away free throw shooting for those same teams at other venues other than Bartow. Away FT percentages are usually going to be lower than at home. Crowd noise plays a major part in that.

WKU shot .455 (5-11) from the charity stripe at La Tech. WKU just isn't a consistent free throw shooting team.

I will be the first to say Western is a poor ft shooting team. That wasn't my question or the point of this topic. Like I said I don't know if the stats shows anything but up till last Friday those were the stats. I just don't see how this would be any different than say students sitting behind the basket using strobes or lasers as long as it's not pointed at the shooter.

No it's not the same as the flicker on the TV and in person it's worse than on the video. With that I don't have a clue on how it is on the floor..

light can affect how you see a strobe. And like I said I've seen a TON of road games in person and this is the first time I've seen a scoreboard used like this.

I don't like it, but it's only the center scoredboard high above the court. At least UAB isn't strobing the sideline video boards like NBA teams are doing.

(02-23-2015 01:13 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-23-2015 12:59 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  The camera picks up the flicker more than eyes do in person. Take a video of your TV and post that too. You'll get the same lighting issues.

How about you compare home and away free throw shooting for those same teams at other venues other than Bartow. Away FT percentages are usually going to be lower than at home. Crowd noise plays a major part in that.

WKU shot .455 (5-11) from the charity stripe at La Tech. WKU just isn't a consistent free throw shooting team.

I will be the first to say Western is a poor ft shooting team. That wasn't my question or the point of this topic. Like I said I don't know if the stats shows anything but up till last Friday those were the stats. I just don't see how this would be any different than say students sitting behind the basket using strobes or lasers as long as it's not pointed at the shooter.

No it's not the same as the flicker on the TV and in person it's worse than on the video. With that I don't have a clue on how it is on the floor..

light can affect how you see a strobe. And like I said I've seen a TON of road games in person and this is the first time I've seen a scoreboard used like this.

I don't like it, but it's only the center scoredboard high above the court. At least UAB isn't strobing the sideline video boards like some NBA teams are doing.

I think the ft issues have more to do with the "Fire Ray Watts" chants than the lighting.

(02-23-2015 02:27 PM)blazerjay Wrote:  

(02-23-2015 01:13 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-23-2015 12:59 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  The camera picks up the flicker more than eyes do in person. Take a video of your TV and post that too. You'll get the same lighting issues.

How about you compare home and away free throw shooting for those same teams at other venues other than Bartow. Away FT percentages are usually going to be lower than at home. Crowd noise plays a major part in that.

WKU shot .455 (5-11) from the charity stripe at La Tech. WKU just isn't a consistent free throw shooting team.

I will be the first to say Western is a poor ft shooting team. That wasn't my question or the point of this topic. Like I said I don't know if the stats shows anything but up till last Friday those were the stats. I just don't see how this would be any different than say students sitting behind the basket using strobes or lasers as long as it's not pointed at the shooter.

No it's not the same as the flicker on the TV and in person it's worse than on the video. With that I don't have a clue on how it is on the floor..

light can affect how you see a strobe. And like I said I've seen a TON of road games in person and this is the first time I've seen a scoreboard used like this.

I don't like it, but it's only the center scoredboard high above the court. At least UAB isn't strobing the sideline video boards like some NBA teams are doing.

I think the ft issues have more to do with the "Fire Ray Watts" chants than the lighting.

It's funny because it's true.

(02-23-2015 11:36 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  If any of you ever watched a game @UAB in person you must have seen the way their scoreboard strobes as the shooter is shooting fts.

Black Sheep talks about this in their video:

Early in the season they were also strobing the advert boards directly in the shooter's line of sight. It's embarrassing, something you'd expect out of a Sun Belt program. Maybe the admin is preparing us for that. Or maybe they just want to disrupt the Fire Ray Watts chants.

Strobe lights have been know as a cause of seizures for people with epilepsy and if no warning is posted it opens you up to liability. While this isn't as bad as say a strobe light going off in a haunted house if a person was looking right at it or the affect at the top of the arena I can see at some point UAB getting sued. But maybe it's too short of a burst of strobing lights to cause this....I don't know

One of my hobbies that I turned into a business and a partnership (former) with ScareFactory http://www.scarefactory.com/ was designing and making Halloween props/rooms. Any room or prop that was built with a strobe involved had a huge sign letting you know strobe lights were being used. There's been cases of a few Haunted Houses being sued over this because of the strobe light sitting off epileptic seizures.

(02-24-2015 01:16 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Strobe lights have been know as a cause of seizures for people with epilepsy and if no warning is posted it opens you up to liability. While this isn't as bad as say a strobe light going off in a haunted house if a person was looking right at it or the affect at the top of the arena I can see at some point UAB getting sued. But maybe it's too short of a burst of strobing lights to cause this....I don't know

So just UAB could get sued for it????

(02-24-2015 01:16 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Strobe lights have been know as a cause of seizures for people with epilepsy and if no warning is posted it opens you up to liability. While this isn't as bad as say a strobe light going off in a haunted house if a person was looking right at it or the affect at the top of the arena I can see at some point UAB getting sued. But maybe it's too short of a burst of strobing lights to cause this....I don't know

One of my hobbies that I turned into a business and a partnership (former) with ScareFactory http://www.scarefactory.com/ was designing and making Halloween props/rooms. Any room or prop that was built with a strobe involved had a huge sign letting you know strobe lights were being used. There's been cases of a few Haunted Houses being sued over this because of the strobe light sitting off epileptic seizures.

Any arena with that type of scoreboard will probably have flashing lights at some point. It's a bright and flashy setting, and I'm sure there's some type of "caution: flashing lights" notice on nearly every arena info.

(02-24-2015 02:26 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 01:16 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Strobe lights have been know as a cause of seizures for people with epilepsy and if no warning is posted it opens you up to liability. While this isn't as bad as say a strobe light going off in a haunted house if a person was looking right at it or the affect at the top of the arena I can see at some point UAB getting sued. But maybe it's too short of a burst of strobing lights to cause this....I don't know

So just UAB could get sued for it????

I'm not saying it will or wont happen I do think it opens the door for it without any signs. I personally know of one Haunted House in Ohio that was sued because of this. A person should know you might run into strobes in a Haunted House more so than a basketball arena.

With as I said the affect will not be as strong in a basketball ball arena as a darken haunted house. I personally have never been in a arena that does this. My first thought was "is this legal" then my second thought was the seizures. Most people would not think about the last part but like I said I've ran into it before.

So yeah if a person with epilepsy had a seizure and damage was cause UAB could be sued. Especially with no notice being displayed. It's probably a million to 1 and most people wouldn't even think about it...

I wouldn't if not for my experience in the Haunt Industry

To be honest I would hate having to see this at every game if I was a UAB fan. But then again some people hate the loud music being played. How long as UAB done this? If anyone knows when it started let me know and if I get the time (after basketball season) I will run the numbers for those seasons to see if the FT shooting % is different @UAB than for the teams road game averages.

(02-24-2015 03:07 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 02:26 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 01:16 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Strobe lights have been know as a cause of seizures for people with epilepsy and if no warning is posted it opens you up to liability. While this isn't as bad as say a strobe light going off in a haunted house if a person was looking right at it or the affect at the top of the arena I can see at some point UAB getting sued. But maybe it's too short of a burst of strobing lights to cause this....I don't know

So just UAB could get sued for it????

I'm not saying it will or wont happen I do think it opens the door for it without any signs. I personally know of one Haunted House in Ohio that was sued because of this. A person should know you might run into strobes in a Haunted House more so than a basketball arena.

With as I said the affect will not be as strong in a basketball ball arena as a darken haunted house. I personally have never been in a arena that does this. My first thought was "is this legal" then my second thought was the seizures. Most people would not think about the last part but like I said I've ran into it before.

So yeah if a person with epilepsy had a seizure and damage was cause UAB could be sued. Especially with no notice being displayed. It's probably a million to 1 and most people wouldn't even think about it...

I wouldn't if not for my experience in the Haunt Industry

To be honest I would hate having to see this at every game if I was a UAB fan. But then again some people hate the loud music being played. How long as UAB done this? If anyone knows when it started let me know and if I get the time (after basketball season) I will run the numbers for those seasons to see if the FT shooting % is different @UAB than for the teams road game averages.

I think you are being just a tad over dramatic about this.

The strobing is new this year.

I'm sure if anyone had a seizure, Ray Watts would treat them personally.