(02-23-2015 06:25 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(02-23-2015 06:15 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  So, Tom, do you really believe that the "God **** America" comment was totally counter to everything else that Jeremiah Wright said in all those other sermons? If so, then why did the church choose to include that in a video that they produced and distributed?
Isn't the far more likely case that it was pretty much consistent with what he said, week in and week out? If not, why not? But if so, how do you excuse Obama's participation for 20 years?
You are trying to sell an excuse that doesn't pass the smell test.

No, you're trying to act as if it's reasonable to assume that every sermon was like the one he's quoting, and the burden of proof isn't being fulfilled.

No, you are totally misstating my position. In reality, I would guess that by far the most likely case is that a significant number of other sermons were in like vein, and probably others were not. The vast majority were probably in similar vein but toned down a lot. If those remarks were totally uncharacteristic of Wright's preaching, why did the church see fit to distribute them?

If Wright's preaching on a regular basis was at least somewhat consistent with those remarks, how does Obama claim to be unaware of them? And keep in mind that Obama's relationship with Wright was far more than just occasional parishioner in a pew. How many of you could have the kind of relationship with a pastor that Obama has himself described as having with Wright, and remained clueless about that pastor's political leanings? That's just not plausible.

You're being disingenuous by not including the obvious counterargument; if more sermons were similar to this and there was more evidence of like statements, those who want to tie Obama to Wright, and Wright to this extremism would have found them. If it was common and understood, then were are the other sermons showing that?

(02-23-2015 06:56 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  You're being disingenuous by not including the obvious counterargument; if more sermons were similar to this and there was more evidence of like statements, those who want to tie Obama to Wright, and Wright to this extremism would have found them. If it was common and understood, then were are the other sermons showing that?

Were all sermons recorded? Are they obtainable? Or did the church circle the wagons once this came out?

And what was said in sermons is one thing. What was exchanged in the context of their acknowledged close personal relationship is another. And we would have no way of knowing one way or the other.

Based upon my experiences with my pastors and churches over the years, I find it unbelievable that Obama could have been oblivious to this.

Then again, maybe it was never anything more than a relationship for appearances. That would explain Obama's ignorance, but it raises other issues regarding integrity and honesty.

(02-23-2015 06:56 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  You're being disingenuous by not including the obvious counterargument; if more sermons were similar to this and there was more evidence of like statements, those who want to tie Obama to Wright, and Wright to this extremism would have found them. If it was common and understood, then were are the other sermons showing that?

Equally, if the other sermons were different, wouldn't the people who want to defend Obama have been posting them?

And if the other sermons were similar, would the church and those who support Obama have both grounds and opportunity to suppress them?

To respond to the basic point of the thread, I do not think Obama hates America, and I really don't like such comments.

What I believe is that Obama is indifferent to America. Implementing his agenda is all that matters. Whether that agenda is good or bad for America is immaterial.

(02-23-2015 06:56 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  You're being disingenuous by not including the obvious counterargument; if more sermons were similar to this and there was more evidence of like statements, those who want to tie Obama to Wright, and Wright to this extremism would have found them. If it was common and understood, then were are the other sermons showing that?

Dude, they happened enough that Oprah left the church.

I dont know why you believe these sermons dont exist because "those people" would have found them. They dont need to find them. The ones they found were bad enough. So they rolled out 5 or so tapes. Would it make a difference if they rolled out 500?

You liberals need to be careful about what you wish for.

(02-23-2015 06:15 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  So, Tom, do you really believe that the "God **** America" comment was totally counter to everything else that Jeremiah Wright said in all those other sermons? If so, then why did the church choose to include that in a video that they produced and distributed?

Isn't the far more likely case that it was pretty much consistent with what he said, week in and week out? If not, why not? But if so, how do you excuse Obama's participation for 20 years?

You are trying to sell an excuse that doesn't pass the smell test.

That matters not. The comment...in the context of the point he was making is totally a valid argument for a pastor to make. Now, of course, my pastor wouldn't be so blunt and yours probably wouldn't be either...but the point is still valid. That if you're going to allow atrocities in the name of your government to go unchecked, God would not approve of them.

And I've said this before...I don't think Obama was ever much of a church goer. But neither was Reagan. But he's still a Christian and is (or was) friends with Wright. I believe that he knew that in Chicago that he needed to be connected to him and folks like Ayers to get elected. He certainly was not in the pew for every week for 20 years.

(02-24-2015 09:56 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-23-2015 06:15 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  So, Tom, do you really believe that the "God **** America" comment was totally counter to everything else that Jeremiah Wright said in all those other sermons? If so, then why did the church choose to include that in a video that they produced and distributed?

Isn't the far more likely case that it was pretty much consistent with what he said, week in and week out? If not, why not? But if so, how do you excuse Obama's participation for 20 years?

You are trying to sell an excuse that doesn't pass the smell test.

That matters not. The comment...in the context of the point he was making is totally a valid argument for a pastor to make. Now, of course, my pastor wouldn't be so blunt and yours probably wouldn't be either...but the point is still valid. That if you're going to allow atrocities in the name of your government to go unchecked, God would not approve of them.

And I've said this before...I don't think Obama was ever much of a church goer. But neither was Reagan. But he's still a Christian and is (or was) friends with Wright. I believe that he knew that in Chicago that he needed to be connected to him and folks like Ayers to get elected. He certainly was not in the pew for every week for 20 years.

Pat Robertson as said before that 9/11 was punishment from God for "the gays"

How is that any different?

(02-24-2015 09:56 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  That matters not. The comment...in the context of the point he was making is totally a valid argument for a pastor to make. Now, of course, my pastor wouldn't be so blunt and yours probably wouldn't be either...but the point is still valid. That if you're going to allow atrocities in the name of your government to go unchecked, God would not approve of them.

Here we will just have to agree to disagree. America is clearly due some criticism for how certain matters have been handled, but these comments were way, way over the top.

Quote:I believe that he knew that in Chicago that he needed to be connected to him and folks like Ayers to get elected. He certainly was not in the pew for every week for 20 years.

I think this is probably entirely correct. But this raises more issues than it disposes. If he was living a lie for political purposes, then what does that say about his overall honesty and integrity? And if he wasn't living a lie but sincerely bought into Wright and Ayers, among others, then what does that say about his socialist/communist bona fides?

To me...it only says he did what he needed to to in Chicago politics. It's the same thing that happens in many other places as well. And it doesn't just stop at the local level.

Sadly, it's the nature of the beast.

(02-23-2015 11:17 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(02-23-2015 11:15 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(02-23-2015 11:06 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Do you all really think Obama hasn't spoken out against ISIS?

The sad part is that you really think he is being tough on them.

That's not what I stated. I think he's being tough enough, but that's just my opinion and I understand that's something you can rationally disagree with. I'm commenting on this concept that is bandied about that Obama has never condemned ISIS, which is patently false.

Only hyperbole and selective memory are allowed in this thread. Move along.

Facebook shut down this kid's page


Excerpted from The Examiner: On Friday, C.J. Pearson, a 12-year-old conservative from Georgia who posted a viral video supporting Rudy Giuliani, discovered that his personal Facebook page was locked. In an exclusive interview with Examiner.com on Saturday, Pearson said he received a message from someone about 6 a.m. Friday. That’s when he learned his account and page had been locked for “suspicious activity.”

He jumped through all of Facebook’s hoops, but wasn’t able to recover his account. So he created a new profile to take its place. His public page was not affected, he said, however, he can no longer administer the page. Fortunately, he said, a friend is helping post links to that page.

As is so often the case in these situations, Facebook did not respond to his requests for help. Nor would they tell him what the alleged suspicious activity was. We reached out to Facebook, but the social media giant has so far refused to respond to our request for comments.

Pearson said he is working on legislation to lower the age of those serving in the state House and Senate. The legislation, which is set to be the subject of a hearing on Monday, would lower the age of House members from 21 to 18, and lower the age of state Senators from 25 to 21. Pearson said he was using Facebook to line up witnesses for the hearing, but Facebook’s actions have made that more difficult. He can’t read any messages sent to his old profile and the old page doesn’t show up.

On Monday, we reported that Pearson posted a video supporting former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani. He also minced no words when he said that President Obama doesn’t love America.

“I don’t want to be politically correct. I don’t care about being politically correct at this point,” he said. “President Obama, you don’t love America.” Keep reading

https://itunes.apple.com/app/id727296976?mt=8&ls=1

(03-01-2015 03:40 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Facebook shut down this kid's page


Excerpted from The Examiner: On Friday, C.J. Pearson, a 12-year-old conservative from Georgia who posted a viral video supporting Rudy Giuliani, discovered that his personal Facebook page was locked. In an exclusive interview with Examiner.com on Saturday, Pearson said he received a message from someone about 6 a.m. Friday. That’s when he learned his account and page had been locked for “suspicious activity.”

He jumped through all of Facebook’s hoops, but wasn’t able to recover his account. So he created a new profile to take its place. His public page was not affected, he said, however, he can no longer administer the page. Fortunately, he said, a friend is helping post links to that page.

As is so often the case in these situations, Facebook did not respond to his requests for help. Nor would they tell him what the alleged suspicious activity was. We reached out to Facebook, but the social media giant has so far refused to respond to our request for comments.

Pearson said he is working on legislation to lower the age of those serving in the state House and Senate. The legislation, which is set to be the subject of a hearing on Monday, would lower the age of House members from 21 to 18, and lower the age of state Senators from 25 to 21. Pearson said he was using Facebook to line up witnesses for the hearing, but Facebook’s actions have made that more difficult. He can’t read any messages sent to his old profile and the old page doesn’t show up.

On Monday, we reported that Pearson posted a video supporting former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani. He also minced no words when he said that President Obama doesn’t love America.

“I don’t want to be politically correct. I don’t care about being politically correct at this point,” he said. “President Obama, you don’t love America.” Keep reading

https://itunes.apple.com/app/id727296976?mt=8&ls=1

Don't talk bad about the Chosen One or you will be silenced. Even 12 year olds. Freedom in Obama's version of America is styled on Stalin's type of Freedom.

Yeah sure, liberals everywhere sure were on full alert for this kid and his, by definition, adolescent reasoning.

(02-23-2015 06:56 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  You're being disingenuous by not including the obvious counterargument; if more sermons were similar to this and there was more evidence of like statements, those who want to tie Obama to Wright, and Wright to this extremism would have found them. If it was common and understood, then were are the other sermons showing that?

Do you know anything about black liberation theology?

Why not just post what you're going to post instead of asking asinine questions?

(03-01-2015 06:32 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Why not just post what you're going to post instead of asking asinine questions?

It's a legitimate question

(03-01-2015 06:00 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Yeah sure, liberals everywhere sure were on full alert for this kid and his, by definition, adolescent reasoning.

But you're ignoring the fact that he was shut down.

(03-01-2015 07:03 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 06:00 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Yeah sure, liberals everywhere sure were on full alert for this kid and his, by definition, adolescent reasoning.

But you're ignoring the fact that he was shut down.

And you're ignoring facebooks very well laid out and explicit rules

Quote:How do I report a child under the age of 13?

Facebook requires everyone to be at least 13 years old before they can create an account (in some jurisdictions, this age limit may be higher). Creating an account with false info is a violation of our terms. This includes accounts registered on the behalf of someone under 13.

If your underage child created an account on Facebook, you can show them how to delete their account.

If you'd like to report an account belonging to someone under 13, please fill out this form. Note that we'll promptly delete the account of any child under the age of 13 that's reported to us through this form.