(07-30-2016 08:04 AM)Tiger5 Wrote:  1. tear it down and start develpoing plans to build a new football stadium there.

2. Memphis gets in Big 12 and starts building new stadium

3. tear down liberty bowl and develop additional parking and onsite hotel. This would be great for out of town tiger fans and visiting fans.

The city of Memphis will likely never again build a FB stadium (no pro franchise to pursue & no OM, UTK or UA games to host)- and there is reason why there has not be any substantial or sustained commercial development around the Fairgrounds area. If there is to be a new FB stadium at some point in the future for the Tigers, it will be the university building it. And hopefully it will be OC. Otherwise our university should not participate in the construction funding. Whether you agree or not, the biggest impediment to our university and a major conference affiliation is & always has been a lack of OC sports facilities for BB & FB. This tells the major conferences that our university is not financially committed to the required investment to achieve sustained success at the major college level. Even back to the 60s, with OC investment, our university would likely be a member of the SEC. When the BE invited Louisville/Cincy, our university likely would have been invited with a demonstrated investment to the programs. And it still distracts from the evaluation of our university. The only difference this time is that the same lack of investment by our competitors has resulted in their facilities shortcomings (i.e., small stadiums).

(07-29-2016 11:10 AM)WaywardMemphian Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 05:54 PM)Claw Wrote:  West Memphis would be perfect for an amusement park.

I can see it now...

Road Construction Land!!! Bring the family!!!

You kid, but the area between the y for the two bridge approaches are about as perfect a spot for a Six Flags like park and an outlet mall as you'll ever find with access from both interstates. Just far enough away as to not be a huge babysitter. Throw in a Great Wolf Lodge with an indoor, year round waterparkfor hotel patrons only and you have a hell of an area and It's a damn shame it's just truck stops and industry.

That area has a sec 8 apartment complex in it. What part of it that does not flood..

Really asinine of them building apartments there. A race track has been located next to it for over 50 years at the time (67 years as of today) the apartments were built. Then they complain about the noise.

(07-30-2016 08:40 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  When the BE invited Louisville/Cincy, our university likely would have been invited with a demonstrated investment to the programs.

Some folks are still falling for that geography excuse.

(07-30-2016 02:35 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 08:40 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  When the BE invited Louisville/Cincy, our university likely would have been invited with a demonstrated investment to the programs.

Some folks are still falling for that geography excuse.

At that period in the process geography was still a factor. You can try and rationalize any way you want but that does not change anything Do not give me so and so pick a school outside their region crap either because that did not occur until later rounds of expansions.. It wasn't until the SEC took Missouri that we saw cross over outside of geographical areas.. But when the Big East first expanded Geography was still a factor.

It was not as if we were ever considered in the first place. We were first eliminated after Temple was expelled.

Blow it up along with this thread

(07-30-2016 08:40 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 08:04 AM)Tiger5 Wrote:  1. tear it down and start develpoing plans to build a new football stadium there.

2. Memphis gets in Big 12 and starts building new stadium

3. tear down liberty bowl and develop additional parking and onsite hotel. This would be great for out of town tiger fans and visiting fans.

The city of Memphis will likely never again build a FB stadium (no pro franchise to pursue & no OM, UTK or UA games to host)- and there is reason why there has not be any substantial or sustained commercial development around the Fairgrounds area. If there is to be a new FB stadium at some point in the future for the Tigers, it will be the university building it. And hopefully it will be OC. Otherwise our university should not participate in the construction funding. Whether you agree or not, the biggest impediment to our university and a major conference affiliation is & always has been a lack of OC sports facilities for BB & FB. This tells the major conferences that our university is not financially committed to the required investment to achieve sustained success at the major college level. Even back to the 60s, with OC investment, our university would likely be a member of the SEC. When the BE invited Louisville/Cincy, our university likely would have been invited with a demonstrated investment to the programs. And it still distracts from the evaluation of our university. The only difference this time is that the same lack of investment by our competitors has resulted in their facilities shortcomings (i.e., small stadiums).

I totally agree with everything you said about an OC stadium, although I don't think it will ever happen. However, I would beg to differ about development around the Fairgrounds area. The whole TDZ discussion and the previous other Fairgrounds land grab proposals which happened for years piror have scared away substantial interest in the area with all the uncertainty. But there is development growing. The Kroc Center was a great addition, even though it's charitable, and the southeast corner of Central and Cooper has been developed with upscale retail. The Toad Hall corner is about to be developed with mixed-use. There are plans to connect Overton Square with Cooper-Young with continuous restaurants and retail, and both Cooper-Young to the west of the Fairgrounds and Overton Square are booming. Most of the rest of the area around the Fairgrounds, except for a strip on Hollywood, is residential. With Tiger football on the upswing, and more young professionals moving into Midtown (5000 coming to St. Jude in the next 5 years, 3000 moving into Crosstown Concourse, and many others coming to the medical area, which is itself being totally redeveloped), there is no way that development will not be coming to the Fairgrounds area sooner rather than later.

(07-30-2016 05:53 PM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  Most of the rest of the area around the Fairgrounds, except for a strip on Hollywood, is residential. With Tiger football on the upswing, and more young professionals moving into Midtown (5000 coming to St. Jude in the next 5 years, 3000 moving into Crosstown Concourse, and many others coming to the medical area, which is itself being totally redeveloped), there is no way that development will not be coming to the Fairgrounds area sooner rather than later.

Some people really can't see the forest for the trees here.

(07-30-2016 04:13 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Blow it up along with this thread

Yep. Knock that sucker down and build a new one with the Big 12 money. Liberty bowl can die too

(07-30-2016 05:53 PM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 08:40 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 08:04 AM)Tiger5 Wrote:  1. tear it down and start develpoing plans to build a new football stadium there.

2. Memphis gets in Big 12 and starts building new stadium

3. tear down liberty bowl and develop additional parking and onsite hotel. This would be great for out of town tiger fans and visiting fans.

The city of Memphis will likely never again build a FB stadium (no pro franchise to pursue & no OM, UTK or UA games to host)- and there is reason why there has not be any substantial or sustained commercial development around the Fairgrounds area. If there is to be a new FB stadium at some point in the future for the Tigers, it will be the university building it. And hopefully it will be OC. Otherwise our university should not participate in the construction funding. Whether you agree or not, the biggest impediment to our university and a major conference affiliation is & always has been a lack of OC sports facilities for BB & FB. This tells the major conferences that our university is not financially committed to the required investment to achieve sustained success at the major college level. Even back to the 60s, with OC investment, our university would likely be a member of the SEC. When the BE invited Louisville/Cincy, our university likely would have been invited with a demonstrated investment to the programs. And it still distracts from the evaluation of our university. The only difference this time is that the same lack of investment by our competitors has resulted in their facilities shortcomings (i.e., small stadiums).

I totally agree with everything you said about an OC stadium, although I don't think it will ever happen. However, I would beg to differ about development around the Fairgrounds area. The whole TDZ discussion and the previous other Fairgrounds land grab proposals which happened for years piror have scared away substantial interest in the area with all the uncertainty. But there is development growing. The Kroc Center was a great addition, even though it's charitable, and the southeast corner of Central and Cooper has been developed with upscale retail. The Toad Hall corner is about to be developed with mixed-use. There are plans to connect Overton Square with Cooper-Young with continuous restaurants and retail, and both Cooper-Young to the west of the Fairgrounds and Overton Square are booming. Most of the rest of the area around the Fairgrounds, except for a strip on Hollywood, is residential. With Tiger football on the upswing, and more young professionals moving into Midtown (5000 coming to St. Jude in the next 5 years, 3000 moving into Crosstown Concourse, and many others coming to the medical area, which is itself being totally redeveloped), there is no way that development will not be coming to the Fairgrounds area sooner rather than later.

Sure I understand the Overton Sq/Cooper-Young development & other development within a short car ride but no commercial retail development adjacent or on the Fairgrounds that is active on a daily basis. But I'm talking Fairground area - Central to Parkway to Southern to Hollywood. Railroad tracks along Southern - no development there thru the entire era of Memphis Memorial Stadium with the same joints on the north & east side of Southern. Along Central there is CBU & virtually nothing else. Along Parkway - homes & the Fairgrounds itself has seen several failed recreational attempts over the years along with a non-profit & Fairview school. And again railroad tracks all along the east side of the LB with some industrial. That description could have been made in 1965.

But with an OC stadium between Highland & the current Main campus or along Central or between Central & Poplar or across the tracks (with the new bridge coming) along Southern or even between Southern & Park Ave (the university has a history of buying properties in that area already) as a connection to the south campus would bring substantial commercial development in the adjacent privately owned properties. And this would mean substantial taxes for the city. It's such a no-brainer for the city & the university, frankly I'm surprised the city hasn't been encouraging the university to proceed with an OCS. The LB is currently & will continue to be a tax drain - at an ever increasing rate as the property ages. The issues assuredly are control & there are those in the city & state governments (now & past) that would prefer control over viable use & tax base, so Memphis has an aging municipal stadium with no one willing or able to develop the area - because it is municipal with no surrounding direct access which is prerequisite to development. Much easier to get people where they would prefer to go rather than where the location has virtually no viable commercial possibilities (as history proves). And give the Fairgrounds back to the people for participation recreational activities & team youth sports, and add regulated in-town camping (just make it safe thru controlled access). This was a long time & traditional use that was successful. That's what municipal properties do well & did on the Fairgrounds for many years.

(07-31-2016 07:23 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 05:53 PM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 08:40 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 08:04 AM)Tiger5 Wrote:  1. tear it down and start develpoing plans to build a new football stadium there.

2. Memphis gets in Big 12 and starts building new stadium

3. tear down liberty bowl and develop additional parking and onsite hotel. This would be great for out of town tiger fans and visiting fans.

The city of Memphis will likely never again build a FB stadium (no pro franchise to pursue & no OM, UTK or UA games to host)- and there is reason why there has not be any substantial or sustained commercial development around the Fairgrounds area. If there is to be a new FB stadium at some point in the future for the Tigers, it will be the university building it. And hopefully it will be OC. Otherwise our university should not participate in the construction funding. Whether you agree or not, the biggest impediment to our university and a major conference affiliation is & always has been a lack of OC sports facilities for BB & FB. This tells the major conferences that our university is not financially committed to the required investment to achieve sustained success at the major college level. Even back to the 60s, with OC investment, our university would likely be a member of the SEC. When the BE invited Louisville/Cincy, our university likely would have been invited with a demonstrated investment to the programs. And it still distracts from the evaluation of our university. The only difference this time is that the same lack of investment by our competitors has resulted in their facilities shortcomings (i.e., small stadiums).

I totally agree with everything you said about an OC stadium, although I don't think it will ever happen. However, I would beg to differ about development around the Fairgrounds area. The whole TDZ discussion and the previous other Fairgrounds land grab proposals which happened for years piror have scared away substantial interest in the area with all the uncertainty. But there is development growing. The Kroc Center was a great addition, even though it's charitable, and the southeast corner of Central and Cooper has been developed with upscale retail. The Toad Hall corner is about to be developed with mixed-use. There are plans to connect Overton Square with Cooper-Young with continuous restaurants and retail, and both Cooper-Young to the west of the Fairgrounds and Overton Square are booming. Most of the rest of the area around the Fairgrounds, except for a strip on Hollywood, is residential. With Tiger football on the upswing, and more young professionals moving into Midtown (5000 coming to St. Jude in the next 5 years, 3000 moving into Crosstown Concourse, and many others coming to the medical area, which is itself being totally redeveloped), there is no way that development will not be coming to the Fairgrounds area sooner rather than later.

Sure I understand the Overton Sq/Cooper-Young development & other development within a short car ride but no commercial retail development adjacent or on the Fairgrounds that is active on a daily basis. But I'm talking Fairground area - Central to Parkway to Southern to Hollywood. Railroad tracks along Southern - no development there thru the entire era of Memphis Memorial Stadium with the same joints on the north & east side of Southern. Along Central there is CBU & virtually nothing else. Along Parkway - homes & the Fairgrounds itself has seen several failed recreational attempts over the years along with a non-profit & Fairview school. And again railroad tracks all along the east side of the LB with some industrial. That description could have been made in 1965.

But with an OC stadium between Highland & the current Main campus or along Central or between Central & Poplar or across the tracks (with the new bridge coming) along Southern or even between Southern & Park Ave (the university has a history of buying properties in that area already) as a connection to the south campus would bring substantial commercial development in the adjacent privately owned properties. And this would mean substantial taxes for the city. It's such a no-brainer for the city & the university, frankly I'm surprised the city hasn't been encouraging the university to proceed with an OCS. The LB is currently & will continue to be a tax drain - at an ever increasing rate as the property ages. The issues assuredly are control & there are those in the city & state governments (now & past) that would prefer control over viable use & tax base, so Memphis has an aging municipal stadium with no one willing or able to develop the area - because it is municipal with no surrounding direct access which is prerequisite to development. Much easier to get people where they would prefer to go rather than where the location has virtually no viable commercial possibilities (as history proves). And give the Fairgrounds back to the people for participation recreational activities & team youth sports, and add regulated in-town camping (just make it safe thru controlled access). This was a long time & traditional use that was successful. That's what municipal properties do well & did on the Fairgrounds for many years.

When will this pipe dream end? It is not physically or fiscally viable option. The day we get over this jealousy of others having something that we do not have the better off the program will be. The money is not there for an OCS and making the needed upgrades needed in the athletic practice facilities. The city currently eats a lot of operating cost at the LBS which the U of M would have to eat if they had an OCS not to mention the initial cost for construction. Hillary's speech at the DNC is more credible than the Leery report.

(07-30-2016 04:12 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 02:35 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 08:40 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  When the BE invited Louisville/Cincy, our university likely would have been invited with a demonstrated investment to the programs.

Some folks are still falling for that geography excuse.

At that period in the process geography was still a factor. You can try and rationalize any way you want but that does not change anything Do not give me so and so pick a school outside their region crap either because that did not occur until later rounds of expansions.. It wasn't until the SEC took Missouri that we saw cross over outside of geographical areas.. But when the Big East first expanded Geography was still a factor.

It was not as if we were ever considered in the first place. We were first eliminated after Temple was expelled.

We were eliminated because we hadn't been to a bowl game in 40 years. Geography had nothing to do with it.

(07-27-2016 11:20 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Blow it up

You obviously haven't heard...that would cost $33 Million.

(07-31-2016 04:35 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 07:23 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 05:53 PM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 08:40 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 08:04 AM)Tiger5 Wrote:  1. tear it down and start develpoing plans to build a new football stadium there.

2. Memphis gets in Big 12 and starts building new stadium

3. tear down liberty bowl and develop additional parking and onsite hotel. This would be great for out of town tiger fans and visiting fans.

The city of Memphis will likely never again build a FB stadium (no pro franchise to pursue & no OM, UTK or UA games to host)- and there is reason why there has not be any substantial or sustained commercial development around the Fairgrounds area. If there is to be a new FB stadium at some point in the future for the Tigers, it will be the university building it. And hopefully it will be OC. Otherwise our university should not participate in the construction funding. Whether you agree or not, the biggest impediment to our university and a major conference affiliation is & always has been a lack of OC sports facilities for BB & FB. This tells the major conferences that our university is not financially committed to the required investment to achieve sustained success at the major college level. Even back to the 60s, with OC investment, our university would likely be a member of the SEC. When the BE invited Louisville/Cincy, our university likely would have been invited with a demonstrated investment to the programs. And it still distracts from the evaluation of our university. The only difference this time is that the same lack of investment by our competitors has resulted in their facilities shortcomings (i.e., small stadiums).

I totally agree with everything you said about an OC stadium, although I don't think it will ever happen. However, I would beg to differ about development around the Fairgrounds area. The whole TDZ discussion and the previous other Fairgrounds land grab proposals which happened for years piror have scared away substantial interest in the area with all the uncertainty. But there is development growing. The Kroc Center was a great addition, even though it's charitable, and the southeast corner of Central and Cooper has been developed with upscale retail. The Toad Hall corner is about to be developed with mixed-use. There are plans to connect Overton Square with Cooper-Young with continuous restaurants and retail, and both Cooper-Young to the west of the Fairgrounds and Overton Square are booming. Most of the rest of the area around the Fairgrounds, except for a strip on Hollywood, is residential. With Tiger football on the upswing, and more young professionals moving into Midtown (5000 coming to St. Jude in the next 5 years, 3000 moving into Crosstown Concourse, and many others coming to the medical area, which is itself being totally redeveloped), there is no way that development will not be coming to the Fairgrounds area sooner rather than later.

Sure I understand the Overton Sq/Cooper-Young development & other development within a short car ride but no commercial retail development adjacent or on the Fairgrounds that is active on a daily basis. But I'm talking Fairground area - Central to Parkway to Southern to Hollywood. Railroad tracks along Southern - no development there thru the entire era of Memphis Memorial Stadium with the same joints on the north & east side of Southern. Along Central there is CBU & virtually nothing else. Along Parkway - homes & the Fairgrounds itself has seen several failed recreational attempts over the years along with a non-profit & Fairview school. And again railroad tracks all along the east side of the LB with some industrial. That description could have been made in 1965.

But with an OC stadium between Highland & the current Main campus or along Central or between Central & Poplar or across the tracks (with the new bridge coming) along Southern or even between Southern & Park Ave (the university has a history of buying properties in that area already) as a connection to the south campus would bring substantial commercial development in the adjacent privately owned properties. And this would mean substantial taxes for the city. It's such a no-brainer for the city & the university, frankly I'm surprised the city hasn't been encouraging the university to proceed with an OCS. The LB is currently & will continue to be a tax drain - at an ever increasing rate as the property ages. The issues assuredly are control & there are those in the city & state governments (now & past) that would prefer control over viable use & tax base, so Memphis has an aging municipal stadium with no one willing or able to develop the area - because it is municipal with no surrounding direct access which is prerequisite to development. Much easier to get people where they would prefer to go rather than where the location has virtually no viable commercial possibilities (as history proves). And give the Fairgrounds back to the people for participation recreational activities & team youth sports, and add regulated in-town camping (just make it safe thru controlled access). This was a long time & traditional use that was successful. That's what municipal properties do well & did on the Fairgrounds for many years.

When will this pipe dream end? It is not physically or fiscally viable option. The day we get over this jealousy of others having something that we do not have the better off the program will be. The money is not there for an OCS and making the needed upgrades needed in the athletic practice facilities. The city currently eats a lot of operating cost at the LBS which the U of M would have to eat if they had an OCS not to mention the initial cost for construction. Hillary's speech at the DNC is more credible than the Leery report.

It is absolutely physically viable. You're just wrong on that. Fiscally? Not in our current position. In 8-10 years, possibly.

(08-01-2016 12:23 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 04:35 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 07:23 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 05:53 PM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 08:40 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  The city of Memphis will likely never again build a FB stadium (no pro franchise to pursue & no OM, UTK or UA games to host)- and there is reason why there has not be any substantial or sustained commercial development around the Fairgrounds area. If there is to be a new FB stadium at some point in the future for the Tigers, it will be the university building it. And hopefully it will be OC. Otherwise our university should not participate in the construction funding. Whether you agree or not, the biggest impediment to our university and a major conference affiliation is & always has been a lack of OC sports facilities for BB & FB. This tells the major conferences that our university is not financially committed to the required investment to achieve sustained success at the major college level. Even back to the 60s, with OC investment, our university would likely be a member of the SEC. When the BE invited Louisville/Cincy, our university likely would have been invited with a demonstrated investment to the programs. And it still distracts from the evaluation of our university. The only difference this time is that the same lack of investment by our competitors has resulted in their facilities shortcomings (i.e., small stadiums).

I totally agree with everything you said about an OC stadium, although I don't think it will ever happen. However, I would beg to differ about development around the Fairgrounds area. The whole TDZ discussion and the previous other Fairgrounds land grab proposals which happened for years piror have scared away substantial interest in the area with all the uncertainty. But there is development growing. The Kroc Center was a great addition, even though it's charitable, and the southeast corner of Central and Cooper has been developed with upscale retail. The Toad Hall corner is about to be developed with mixed-use. There are plans to connect Overton Square with Cooper-Young with continuous restaurants and retail, and both Cooper-Young to the west of the Fairgrounds and Overton Square are booming. Most of the rest of the area around the Fairgrounds, except for a strip on Hollywood, is residential. With Tiger football on the upswing, and more young professionals moving into Midtown (5000 coming to St. Jude in the next 5 years, 3000 moving into Crosstown Concourse, and many others coming to the medical area, which is itself being totally redeveloped), there is no way that development will not be coming to the Fairgrounds area sooner rather than later.

Sure I understand the Overton Sq/Cooper-Young development & other development within a short car ride but no commercial retail development adjacent or on the Fairgrounds that is active on a daily basis. But I'm talking Fairground area - Central to Parkway to Southern to Hollywood. Railroad tracks along Southern - no development there thru the entire era of Memphis Memorial Stadium with the same joints on the north & east side of Southern. Along Central there is CBU & virtually nothing else. Along Parkway - homes & the Fairgrounds itself has seen several failed recreational attempts over the years along with a non-profit & Fairview school. And again railroad tracks all along the east side of the LB with some industrial. That description could have been made in 1965.

But with an OC stadium between Highland & the current Main campus or along Central or between Central & Poplar or across the tracks (with the new bridge coming) along Southern or even between Southern & Park Ave (the university has a history of buying properties in that area already) as a connection to the south campus would bring substantial commercial development in the adjacent privately owned properties. And this would mean substantial taxes for the city. It's such a no-brainer for the city & the university, frankly I'm surprised the city hasn't been encouraging the university to proceed with an OCS. The LB is currently & will continue to be a tax drain - at an ever increasing rate as the property ages. The issues assuredly are control & there are those in the city & state governments (now & past) that would prefer control over viable use & tax base, so Memphis has an aging municipal stadium with no one willing or able to develop the area - because it is municipal with no surrounding direct access which is prerequisite to development. Much easier to get people where they would prefer to go rather than where the location has virtually no viable commercial possibilities (as history proves). And give the Fairgrounds back to the people for participation recreational activities & team youth sports, and add regulated in-town camping (just make it safe thru controlled access). This was a long time & traditional use that was successful. That's what municipal properties do well & did on the Fairgrounds for many years.

When will this pipe dream end? It is not physically or fiscally viable option. The day we get over this jealousy of others having something that we do not have the better off the program will be. The money is not there for an OCS and making the needed upgrades needed in the athletic practice facilities. The city currently eats a lot of operating cost at the LBS which the U of M would have to eat if they had an OCS not to mention the initial cost for construction. Hillary's speech at the DNC is more credible than the Leery report.

It is absolutely physically viable. You're just wrong on that. Fiscally? Not in our current position. In 8-10 years, possibly.

There is no place in any report where the stadium could exist which is not already spoken for. Infrastructure in and around campus makes it impossible to handle that traffic flow. Traffic flow is slow with the normal traffic congestion from classes getting in afternoon. Neither Walker or Southern could handle that much traffic congestion. Only Highland and Central area could handle the traffic flow and that would still be backed up.

(07-31-2016 05:14 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 04:12 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 02:35 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 08:40 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  When the BE invited Louisville/Cincy, our university likely would have been invited with a demonstrated investment to the programs.

Some folks are still falling for that geography excuse.

At that period in the process geography was still a factor. You can try and rationalize any way you want but that does not change anything Do not give me so and so pick a school outside their region crap either because that did not occur until later rounds of expansions.. It wasn't until the SEC took Missouri that we saw cross over outside of geographical areas.. But when the Big East first expanded Geography was still a factor.

It was not as if we were ever considered in the first place. We were first eliminated after Temple was expelled.

We were eliminated because we hadn't been to a bowl game in 40 years. Geography had nothing to do with it.

When the vote was taken we were wrapping up a 8 win regular season and accepted a New Orleans bowl bid

(08-01-2016 10:08 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  When the vote was taken we were wrapping up a 8 win regular season and accepted a New Orleans bowl bid

We were not yet even bowl eligible when the announcement was made, much less when the Big East voted.

You guys miss the point. "At the time of the announcement" had little to do with being evaluated by the BE or many years prior by the SEC. It had to do (& still does to some extent) with a demonstrated lack of investment in the athletic programs of the university. Our university plays in rented facilities for FB & BB. Our university plays in facilities off campus. This speaks to the financial commitment by the university, to the gameday environment & to the lack of tradition - as viewed by those who make the decisions. These are not things that can be fixed with 2-3 years of winning but rather by financial investment in the programs. To be fair the FEDEX Forum is very nice & the addition of Tiger Lane helps mitigate the gameday experience but the lack of OC facilities, owned by our university, still speaks very loudly to our lack of investment & long term commitment.

(08-02-2016 07:26 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  You guys miss the point. "At the time of the announcement" had little to do with being evaluated by the BE or many years prior by the SEC. It had to do (& still does to some extent) with a demonstrated lack of investment in the athletic programs of the university. Our university plays in rented facilities for FB & BB. Our university plays in facilities off campus. This speaks to the financial commitment by the university, to the gameday environment & to the lack of tradition - as viewed by those who make the decisions. These are not things that can be fixed with 2-3 years of winning but rather by financial investment in the programs. To be fair the FEDEX Forum is very nice & the addition of Tiger Lane helps mitigate the gameday experience but the lack of OC facilities, owned by our university, still speaks very loudly to our lack of investment & long term commitment.

2003 was much different than 2016.

(08-02-2016 10:56 AM)RandyMc Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 07:26 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  You guys miss the point. "At the time of the announcement" had little to do with being evaluated by the BE or many years prior by the SEC. It had to do (& still does to some extent) with a demonstrated lack of investment in the athletic programs of the university. Our university plays in rented facilities for FB & BB. Our university plays in facilities off campus. This speaks to the financial commitment by the university, to the gameday environment & to the lack of tradition - as viewed by those who make the decisions. These are not things that can be fixed with 2-3 years of winning but rather by financial investment in the programs. To be fair the FEDEX Forum is very nice & the addition of Tiger Lane helps mitigate the gameday experience but the lack of OC facilities, owned by our university, still speaks very loudly to our lack of investment & long term commitment.

2003 was much different than 2016.

Yes different in terms of our promoted athletics-related investment (IPF, non-revenue sports facilities & student housing). But we are still lagging with rented, off campus facilities - it would be a major plus to show a long term commitment to the athletic programs if there was a plan for OC FB & BB facilities, not to mention the benefit of substantially increased alumni support & student involvement. UConn is a major example of lack of commitment - even with BE money they took virtually no steps to invest in their major sports. And as a results despite the BB nat'l championships, UConn still finds themselves on the outside. So financial commitment to major sports facilities still matters & matters a great deal because it speaks to the commitment to the programs as seen by the evaluators.

But this thread is about the MSC. I loved it, saw some great games there, some great concerts there, graduation ceremony held there & I played some BB there - all fond memories for me. But to spend $23M to just bring it back to usable stds with the alternatives available around Memphis for arena-type events seems foolish. Now if there is need for such a facility & the city were contemplating spending that $23M & more to satisfy such a facility need, then great, revitalize the MSC. Otherwise, leave it be until there is need or a need for the location for something the city does need.

(08-02-2016 12:06 AM)RandyMc Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 10:08 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  When the vote was taken we were wrapping up a 8 win regular season and accepted a New Orleans bowl bid

We were not yet even bowl eligible when the announcement was made, much less when the Big East voted.

Don't confuse him with facts.