(02-22-2015 10:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't understand the fascination with preserving the coliseum. It needs to go.

There are other and better preservation fights out there. It's an eyesore. And not because it's in bad condition. It's just a legitimately ugly example of functionalist mid century poured concrete. There's literally no reason to save it other than nostalgia.

(02-22-2015 06:11 PM)jlbphila Wrote:  I have to admit I'm somewhat surprised, but it's clear the majority here prefers staying downtown in an (albeit slightly) oversized arena run by an NBA team. Personally I have found the game-environments in the Pyramid and FEF lacking - and would appreciate a truer college experience, but obviously I'm in the minority.

But the MSC isn't on campus either, so what's the point of refurbishing it? Just to have a smaller place? Then build one on campus with the same money.

And when we have a good team, we fill up the FEF, or close. It's not like we're rattling around in there. Unless we suck, like now.

(02-22-2015 10:57 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 12:17 AM)jlbphila Wrote:  If the Tigers could (a) find a way out of their lease with the Grizzlies, and (b) get the city to pay for most or all of a total renovation of the Mid-South Coliseum thus increasing capacity and making it a state of the art facility - would you support Tiger hoops moving back to the MSC?

I totally would - and wrote about it here.

Good God, what's wrong with people? It's an old useless arena that needed to be demolished a decade ago.

to answer the question...not just no...hell no

Agree.

im torn on the issue but the mere thought of the tigers moving back is just...dumb. i guess there arent many people left to remember how tight and small the seats in coliseum were - much worse than the pyramid upper deck were.

the coliseum might can be saved, but NOT for that sort of purpose

(02-22-2015 06:41 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 10:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't understand the fascination with preserving the coliseum. It needs to go.

There are other and better preservation fights out there. It's an eyesore. And not because it's in bad condition. It's just a legitimately ugly example of functionalist mid century poured concrete. There's literally no reason to save it other than nostalgia.

Burn it down along with anyone who watches wrestling after age 21

Bulldoze it

(02-22-2015 06:47 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 06:11 PM)jlbphila Wrote:  I have to admit I'm somewhat surprised, but it's clear the majority here prefers staying downtown in an (albeit slightly) oversized arena run by an NBA team. Personally I have found the game-environments in the Pyramid and FEF lacking - and would appreciate a truer college experience, but obviously I'm in the minority.

But the MSC isn't on campus either, so what's the point of refurbishing it? Just to have a smaller place? Then build one on campus with the same money.

And when we have a good team, we fill up the FEF, or close. It's not like we're rattling around in there. Unless we suck, like now.

The point, one of them anyway, would be that the TDZ funds could be used for the MSC, but can't be used for an on-campus stadium. If, say, $50m could be pumped into building floor suites, total renovation, expanded concourses - at no cost to the University - that would be quite a deal.

The other point is that in 5-10 years, if the Grizzlies continue to have success, the Tigers could become something of a permanent 2nd class act down there. Of course, that's a negative scenario, but a possible one IMO.

The last thing the University needs is another off-campus facility.

But, if you put a couple of hotels and chain restaurants at the fairgrounds, you'd have everything a modern Interstate exit has to offer - except the Interstate access.

I don't understand this one at all. Tear it down and look for the right place and right thing for the Memphis of today.

(02-22-2015 09:48 PM)jlbphila Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 06:47 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 06:11 PM)jlbphila Wrote:  I have to admit I'm somewhat surprised, but it's clear the majority here prefers staying downtown in an (albeit slightly) oversized arena run by an NBA team. Personally I have found the game-environments in the Pyramid and FEF lacking - and would appreciate a truer college experience, but obviously I'm in the minority.

But the MSC isn't on campus either, so what's the point of refurbishing it? Just to have a smaller place? Then build one on campus with the same money.

And when we have a good team, we fill up the FEF, or close. It's not like we're rattling around in there. Unless we suck, like now.

The point, one of them anyway, would be that the TDZ funds could be used for the MSC, but can't be used for an on-campus stadium. If, say, $50m could be pumped into building floor suites, total renovation, expanded concourses - at no cost to the University - that would be quite a deal.

The other point is that in 5-10 years, if the Grizzlies continue to have success, the Tigers could become something of a permanent 2nd class act down there. Of course, that's a negative scenario, but a possible one IMO.

and what if the Grizz revert back to what they were?

(02-22-2015 09:54 PM)Claw Wrote:  But, if you put a couple of hotels and chain restaurants at the fairgrounds, you'd have everything a modern Interstate exit has to offer - except the Interstate access.

That's funny, and true. I have to hand it to you there.

(02-22-2015 09:55 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 09:48 PM)jlbphila Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 06:47 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 06:11 PM)jlbphila Wrote:  I have to admit I'm somewhat surprised, but it's clear the majority here prefers staying downtown in an (albeit slightly) oversized arena run by an NBA team. Personally I have found the game-environments in the Pyramid and FEF lacking - and would appreciate a truer college experience, but obviously I'm in the minority.

But the MSC isn't on campus either, so what's the point of refurbishing it? Just to have a smaller place? Then build one on campus with the same money.

And when we have a good team, we fill up the FEF, or close. It's not like we're rattling around in there. Unless we suck, like now.

The point, one of them anyway, would be that the TDZ funds could be used for the MSC, but can't be used for an on-campus stadium. If, say, $50m could be pumped into building floor suites, total renovation, expanded concourses - at no cost to the University - that would be quite a deal.

The other point is that in 5-10 years, if the Grizzlies continue to have success, the Tigers could become something of a permanent 2nd class act down there. Of course, that's a negative scenario, but a possible one IMO.

and what if the Grizz revert back to what they were?

From an attendance perspective, I don't think they will. Kids and teenagers will now be huge Grizz fans - and so I think the Grizz are being cemented in the sports DNA of the city.

I think Memphis will have to be a top 25 team to draw any better than 10k or 12k going forward - which is realistically what they're drawing right now.

(02-22-2015 10:03 PM)jlbphila Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 09:55 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 09:48 PM)jlbphila Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 06:47 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 06:11 PM)jlbphila Wrote:  I have to admit I'm somewhat surprised, but it's clear the majority here prefers staying downtown in an (albeit slightly) oversized arena run by an NBA team. Personally I have found the game-environments in the Pyramid and FEF lacking - and would appreciate a truer college experience, but obviously I'm in the minority.

But the MSC isn't on campus either, so what's the point of refurbishing it? Just to have a smaller place? Then build one on campus with the same money.

And when we have a good team, we fill up the FEF, or close. It's not like we're rattling around in there. Unless we suck, like now.

The point, one of them anyway, would be that the TDZ funds could be used for the MSC, but can't be used for an on-campus stadium. If, say, $50m could be pumped into building floor suites, total renovation, expanded concourses - at no cost to the University - that would be quite a deal.

The other point is that in 5-10 years, if the Grizzlies continue to have success, the Tigers could become something of a permanent 2nd class act down there. Of course, that's a negative scenario, but a possible one IMO.

and what if the Grizz revert back to what they were?

From an attendance perspective, I don't think they will. Kids and teenagers will now be huge Grizz fans - and so I think the Grizz are being cemented in the sports DNA of the city.

I think Memphis will have to be a top 25 team to draw any better than 10k or 12k going forward - which is realistically what they're drawing right now.

I wholeheartedly disagree...

(02-22-2015 10:03 PM)jlbphila Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 09:55 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 09:48 PM)jlbphila Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 06:47 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 06:11 PM)jlbphila Wrote:  I have to admit I'm somewhat surprised, but it's clear the majority here prefers staying downtown in an (albeit slightly) oversized arena run by an NBA team. Personally I have found the game-environments in the Pyramid and FEF lacking - and would appreciate a truer college experience, but obviously I'm in the minority.

But the MSC isn't on campus either, so what's the point of refurbishing it? Just to have a smaller place? Then build one on campus with the same money.

And when we have a good team, we fill up the FEF, or close. It's not like we're rattling around in there. Unless we suck, like now.

The point, one of them anyway, would be that the TDZ funds could be used for the MSC, but can't be used for an on-campus stadium. If, say, $50m could be pumped into building floor suites, total renovation, expanded concourses - at no cost to the University - that would be quite a deal.

The other point is that in 5-10 years, if the Grizzlies continue to have success, the Tigers could become something of a permanent 2nd class act down there. Of course, that's a negative scenario, but a possible one IMO.

and what if the Grizz revert back to what they were?

From an attendance perspective, I don't think they will. Kids and teenagers will now be huge Grizz fans - and so I think the Grizz are being cemented in the sports DNA of the city.

I think Memphis will have to be a top 25 team to draw any better than 10k or 12k going forward - which is realistically what they're drawing right now.

Lol if they go back to winning 20-30 games a year the Grizz will wish they had 10k in the seats. Memphis only supports a Winner

(02-22-2015 05:35 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 04:54 PM)Mimi Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 01:49 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  Being adjacent to the Fairgrounds, a vacant Liberty Bowl, outdoor parking (in January and February) and the old Libertyland instead of hotels, nice restaurants, the Riverfront and Beale Street is certainly an advantage worth exploring.

That is cute...but no where near the point of the original poster.

While we have already recognized it is just generalized thoughts...a better way to out the above could be...

Being adjacent to our football stadium
An often packed Tiger lane
Plenty of parking
A revitalized fairgrounds with hotels coming
Significantly closer to campus
Significantly closer to more of the fanbase
A revitalized fairgrounds with restaurants coming as well
A very nice Kroc center instead of a very old Libertyland

Why would anyone want to at least throw out that just maybe there are some advantages to your own arena very close to your own campus?

See...

You have two CLOSED hotels with in a 5 minute drive of the fairgrounds. If they cannot stay open what makes you think one inside the fairground can? You have two CLOSED restaurants with in 5 WALKING minutes of the fairgrounds. NOT counting the three closed fast food places.

point? those hotels are very OLD...the one at Union McLean needs to be torn down...the old French Quarter Suites needs to be turned into studio apartments for the MCA kids and the 38104 hipsters.

(02-22-2015 09:55 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 09:48 PM)jlbphila Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 06:47 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 06:11 PM)jlbphila Wrote:  I have to admit I'm somewhat surprised, but it's clear the majority here prefers staying downtown in an (albeit slightly) oversized arena run by an NBA team. Personally I have found the game-environments in the Pyramid and FEF lacking - and would appreciate a truer college experience, but obviously I'm in the minority.

But the MSC isn't on campus either, so what's the point of refurbishing it? Just to have a smaller place? Then build one on campus with the same money.

And when we have a good team, we fill up the FEF, or close. It's not like we're rattling around in there. Unless we suck, like now.

The point, one of them anyway, would be that the TDZ funds could be used for the MSC, but can't be used for an on-campus stadium. If, say, $50m could be pumped into building floor suites, total renovation, expanded concourses - at no cost to the University - that would be quite a deal.

The other point is that in 5-10 years, if the Grizzlies continue to have success, the Tigers could become something of a permanent 2nd class act down there. Of course, that's a negative scenario, but a possible one IMO.

and what if the Grizz revert back to what they were?

The Grizz have nothing to do with this. The Tigers will be relevant or not by the product they put on the floor. 100% their responsibility. Just like the Grizz are 100% responsible for their product. Their fan support will be based on this, not whatever the Tigers are doing.

(02-22-2015 09:54 PM)Claw Wrote:  The last thing the University needs is another off-campus facility.

yet another

because the FedExForum and Liberty Bowl Stadium have been just terrible for the Tigers, right? lol

(02-22-2015 09:11 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Burn it down along with anyone who watches wrestling after age 21

(02-22-2015 10:15 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 09:54 PM)Claw Wrote:  The last thing the University needs is another off-campus facility.

yet another

because the FedExForum and Liberty Bowl Stadium have been just terrible for the Tigers, right? lol

Basketball has always worked for us. Football never has really worked for us. I don't know why, but I can evaluate the past. In both cases the results have been consistent over decades.

If the CITY needs a small arena, then they should build one where they want it. There is no need to tie the University to it.

(02-22-2015 10:11 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 10:03 PM)jlbphila Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 09:55 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 09:48 PM)jlbphila Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 06:47 PM)TripleA Wrote:  But the MSC isn't on campus either, so what's the point of refurbishing it? Just to have a smaller place? Then build one on campus with the same money.

And when we have a good team, we fill up the FEF, or close. It's not like we're rattling around in there. Unless we suck, like now.

The point, one of them anyway, would be that the TDZ funds could be used for the MSC, but can't be used for an on-campus stadium. If, say, $50m could be pumped into building floor suites, total renovation, expanded concourses - at no cost to the University - that would be quite a deal.

The other point is that in 5-10 years, if the Grizzlies continue to have success, the Tigers could become something of a permanent 2nd class act down there. Of course, that's a negative scenario, but a possible one IMO.

and what if the Grizz revert back to what they were?

From an attendance perspective, I don't think they will. Kids and teenagers will now be huge Grizz fans - and so I think the Grizz are being cemented in the sports DNA of the city.

I think Memphis will have to be a top 25 team to draw any better than 10k or 12k going forward - which is realistically what they're drawing right now.

Lol if they go back to winning 20-30 games a year the Grizz will wish they had 10k in the seats. Memphis only supports a Winner

oops, sorry

sorry for you, mimi, jsw3rant, et all

the Grizz are now part of the sports fabric of Memphis

Deal