(03-06-2015 12:05 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 11:46 AM)nole Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 09:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I thought this might be interesting:

blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2015/03/05/the-pac-12s-financial-future-comparing-tv-revenue-to-the-sec-and-big-ten/

The gap in revenue is about to explode.....it won't end well for non SEC/B1G programs without Texas/Stanford money.

ACC is really about to take a dive. I expect we see UNC/UVA bolt to the B1G at some point.

This is one of those things where worrying about it won't change a thing. Some schools just have inherent advantages. Maybe the ACC caught up for awhile, and maybe it will catch up again, but for most of the history of college sports the Big Ten and SEC have been the wealthiest conferences, and they still are...

Exactly. It matters, and matters a lot. Especially looking over an extended amount of time. But there has never been anything even remotely approaching parity in college football. It matters, but it's not going to rewrite the nature of the game.

If it was all that mattered, Texas, Notre Dame, Michigan and Wisconsin, along with Alabama, would be the only schools that mattered. You know, those first four schools with a grand total of 1.5 national title between them in the last quarter century?

It's not great, but it's just the way it is and always, ALWAYS has been.

(03-06-2015 11:46 AM)nole Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 09:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I thought this might be interesting:

blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2015/03/05/the-pac-12s-financial-future-comparing-tv-revenue-to-the-sec-and-big-ten/

The gap in revenue is about to explode.....it won't end well for non SEC/B1G programs without Texas/Stanford money.


ACC is really about to take a dive. I expect we see UNC/UVA bolt to the B1G at some point.

The ACC and SEC reported almost the same distributions last year. Should be interesting to break it down this year.

last year ACC and SEC avg distribution to 14 full members

(03-06-2015 11:46 AM)nole Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 09:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I thought this might be interesting:

blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2015/03/05/the-pac-12s-financial-future-comparing-tv-revenue-to-the-sec-and-big-ten/

The gap in revenue is about to explode.....it won't end well for non SEC/B1G programs without Texas/Stanford money.


ACC is really about to take a dive. I expect we see UNC/UVA bolt to the B1G at some point.

Nole, extra TV money does not allow you to compete against schools with 100,000 seat football stadiums if your stadium only seats 60K.

In the ACC UVA and UNC are in the top third of revenues - if they move to the B10 they will drop to the bottom third. UNC made $80 million or so last year. Ohio State made about $130. That $50 million gap remains. To make a move viable, UNC or UVa would have to make $50 million more from the B10 than the ACC.

That's not happening because neither school has a football revenue source that can generate what the 40K per game in extra ticket sales at UM, PSU and Ohio State produce. UNC and UVa will always be $25-$40 million behind the B10 big boys because of the size of the football stadiums and the football demand that is saturated in Chapel Hill and Charlottesville.

(03-06-2015 05:51 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 11:46 AM)nole Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 09:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I thought this might be interesting:

blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2015/03/05/the-pac-12s-financial-future-comparing-tv-revenue-to-the-sec-and-big-ten/

The gap in revenue is about to explode.....it won't end well for non SEC/B1G programs without Texas/Stanford money.


ACC is really about to take a dive. I expect we see UNC/UVA bolt to the B1G at some point.

The ACC and SEC reported almost the same distributions last year. Should be interesting to break it down this year.

last year ACC and SEC avg distribution to 14 full members

You really believe that article? If you multiply their "reported" per team payout of $20.8M by 14, you get $291.2M. The reported acc total is $291.7M. So nd only received $500k for basketball? Their nbc contract is rumored to be $15M.

Considering we've had acc people say football/basketball is roughly an 80/20 split, it wouldn't appear that nd is being properly compensated. And if you believe the "insiders" on this board, the split is actually 75/25 or closer than nd is being even more unevenly compensated (but these "insiders" have routinely proven to be f.o.s.).

Doesn't seem to add up.

(03-06-2015 05:51 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 11:46 AM)nole Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 09:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I thought this might be interesting:

blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2015/03/05/the-pac-12s-financial-future-comparing-tv-revenue-to-the-sec-and-big-ten/

The gap in revenue is about to explode.....it won't end well for non SEC/B1G programs without Texas/Stanford money.


ACC is really about to take a dive. I expect we see UNC/UVA bolt to the B1G at some point.

The ACC and SEC reported almost the same distributions last year. Should be interesting to break it down this year.

last year ACC and SEC avg distribution to 14 full members

This is correct, but the backdrop is pretty important.
The ACC placed 2 teams in the BCS in 2013-14 (Clemson and FSU)
The ACC only paid out 13.2 shares (Maryland didn't get one)
The SEC TV contract wasn't increased until AFTER that year

(03-06-2015 08:07 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 11:46 AM)nole Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 09:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I thought this might be interesting:

blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2015/03/05/the-pac-12s-financial-future-comparing-tv-revenue-to-the-sec-and-big-ten/

The gap in revenue is about to explode.....it won't end well for non SEC/B1G programs without Texas/Stanford money.


ACC is really about to take a dive. I expect we see UNC/UVA bolt to the B1G at some point.

Nole, extra TV money does not allow you to compete against schools with 100,000 seat football stadiums if your stadium only seats 60K.

In the ACC UVA and UNC are in the top third of revenues - if they move to the B10 they will drop to the bottom third. UNC made $80 million or so last year. Ohio State made about $130. That $50 million gap remains. To make a move viable, UNC or UVa would have to make $50 million more from the B10 than the ACC.

That's not happening because neither school has a football revenue source that can generate what the 40K per game in extra ticket sales at UM, PSU and Ohio State produce. UNC and UVa will always be $25-$40 million behind the B10 big boys because of the size of the football stadiums and the football demand that is saturated in Chapel Hill and Charlottesville.

Didn't say they would compete.....just said they will move on.


Change happens....whether we want it or not.


The ACC is refusing to change.....but change will happen. Most likely with a few of the schools moving by choice and the conference breaking up like the Big East.

"The gap in revenue is about to explode"




With conference network revenues coming online, bowl tie in money differences, etc......the HUGE gap in revenue is not here yet......but will likely start to show in figures we see this summer.


It will get worse.


What Lou, and others overlook or ignore is this........yes, some revenue differences are OK.....you can compete with a certain level of differences. But once it gets beyond a certain level, it becomes to the point where.....yes you are fielding a team.....but you can no longer compete.


Once it gets to that point, a few of the more attractive schools will get poached by the power conference. At that point, the conference will die or merge with the AAC.



Saying money makes no difference is an oversimplification that has some truth, but not all. I think Lou fully knows this as do others.


At the end of the day, the ACC can't/won't adapt quick enough to changes in the landscape. The emphasis on football first, scholarship $$$$ increases, more aggressive football, larger 'support staffs', HUGE TV influence, etc....changes are happening. The ACC is a deer in the headlights here and it is going to get hit by the truck whether it wants to or not.....because the ACC just can't adapt. Much like the old Big East.


On a side note, in yesterday's FSU BOT meeting at the end, there was a discussion on how the ACC promised FSU an ACC Network WITH REVENUE was promised to them and they asked why it hasn't happened yet (there was no response). It was also pointed out that the 4 team playoff would likely see the ACC 'on the outside looking in' more often than not.

Swofford made some promises he can't deliver on......you can only go so many decades with 'we are still studying things'.....

(03-07-2015 11:14 AM)nole Wrote:  "The gap in revenue is about to explode"




With conference network revenues coming online, bowl tie in money differences, etc......the HUGE gap in revenue is not here yet......but will likely start to show in figures we see this summer.


It will get worse.


What Lou, and others overlook or ignore is this........yes, some revenue differences are OK.....you can compete with a certain level of differences. But once it gets beyond a certain level, it becomes to the point where.....yes you are fielding a team.....but you can no longer compete.


Once it gets to that point, a few of the more attractive schools will get poached by the power conference. At that point, the conference will die or merge with the AAC.



Saying money makes no difference is an oversimplification that has some truth, but not all. I think Lou fully knows this as do others.


At the end of the day, the ACC can't/won't adapt quick enough to changes in the landscape. The emphasis on football first, scholarship $$$$ increases, more aggressive football, larger 'support staffs', HUGE TV influence, etc....changes are happening. The ACC is a deer in the headlights here and it is going to get hit by the truck whether it wants to or not.....because the ACC just can't adapt. Much like the old Big East.


On a side note, in yesterday's FSU BOT meeting at the end, there was a discussion on how the ACC promised FSU an ACC Network WITH REVENUE was promised to them and they asked why it hasn't happened yet (there was no response). It was also pointed out that the 4 team playoff would likely see the ACC 'on the outside looking in' more often than not.

Swofford made some promises he can't deliver on......you can only go so many decades with 'we are still studying things'.....

Silly hyperbole

(03-07-2015 08:41 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 05:51 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 11:46 AM)nole Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 09:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I thought this might be interesting:

blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2015/03/05/the-pac-12s-financial-future-comparing-tv-revenue-to-the-sec-and-big-ten/

The gap in revenue is about to explode.....it won't end well for non SEC/B1G programs without Texas/Stanford money.


ACC is really about to take a dive. I expect we see UNC/UVA bolt to the B1G at some point.

The ACC and SEC reported almost the same distributions last year. Should be interesting to break it down this year.

last year ACC and SEC avg distribution to 14 full members

You really believe that article? If you multiply their "reported" per team payout of $20.8M by 14, you get $291.2M. The reported acc total is $291.7M. So nd only received $500k for basketball? Their nbc contract is rumored to be $15M.

Considering we've had acc people say football/basketball is roughly an 80/20 split, it wouldn't appear that nd is being properly compensated. And if you believe the "insiders" on this board, the split is actually 75/25 or closer than nd is being even more unevenly compensated (but these "insiders" have routinely proven to be f.o.s.).

Doesn't seem to add up.

The current ND contact is rumored to be $15 million, correct. Starting next year (the new renewal) it is rumored to be above $20 million.

ND gets, what, about $3.5 million from the ACC? Didn't someone on this board provide that info?

(03-06-2015 11:46 AM)nole Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 09:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I thought this might be interesting:

blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2015/03/05/the-pac-12s-financial-future-comparing-tv-revenue-to-the-sec-and-big-ten/

The gap in revenue is about to explode.....it won't end well for non SEC/B1G programs without Texas/Stanford money.


ACC is really about to take a dive. I expect we see UNC/UVA bolt to the B1G at some point.

That's about $120 million + in exit fees and the ESPN TV contract will not be reduced because no markets are lost so now 12 ACC teams are dividing the money instead of 14. Everybody gets rich! The GOR will allow for collection of nearly ALL if not ALL the exit fee from each team.

SOOOO many things can change before "at some point" actually arrives!

(03-08-2015 08:53 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 11:46 AM)nole Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 09:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I thought this might be interesting:

blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2015/03/05/the-pac-12s-financial-future-comparing-tv-revenue-to-the-sec-and-big-ten/

The gap in revenue is about to explode.....it won't end well for non SEC/B1G programs without Texas/Stanford money.


ACC is really about to take a dive. I expect we see UNC/UVA bolt to the B1G at some point.

That's about $120 million + in exit fees and the ESPN TV contract will not be reduced because no markets are lost so now 12 ACC teams are dividing the money instead of 14. Everybody gets rich! The GOR will allow for collection of nearly ALL if not ALL the exit fee from each team.

SOOOO many things can change before "at some point" actually arrives!

Nah! If Texas and OU join the SEC (with or without little brothers) and West Virginia joins the ACC with N.D. coming on board, then we will likely convert the Dallas based LHN into the SECN and Charlotte into the ACCN and bundle the two and sell them together across both footprints for 1 rate. Nobody needs to leave to get competitive. There are enough brands for football to make both work and enough basketball brands for the Winter between the two, and baseball and softball galore in the Summer to go along with gymnastics, track & field, swimming & diving, tennis, golf, bass fishing, lacrosse, equestrian, you name it. Between the SEC and ACC we cover the spectrum and with winners. We just need to agree to play more cross conference games in the Big 3 sports.

(02-21-2015 11:09 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Little foolish to assume the ACC would make the same amount as the SEC...

Even though the average SEC fan has more disposable income (mortgage on a trailer < mortgage on real home), the average ACC has a higher annual income (real job > welfare) . So, it's quite possible.

(03-08-2015 09:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-08-2015 08:53 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 11:46 AM)nole Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 09:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I thought this might be interesting:

blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2015/03/05/the-pac-12s-financial-future-comparing-tv-revenue-to-the-sec-and-big-ten/

The gap in revenue is about to explode.....it won't end well for non SEC/B1G programs without Texas/Stanford money.


ACC is really about to take a dive. I expect we see UNC/UVA bolt to the B1G at some point.

That's about $120 million + in exit fees and the ESPN TV contract will not be reduced because no markets are lost so now 12 ACC teams are dividing the money instead of 14. Everybody gets rich! The GOR will allow for collection of nearly ALL if not ALL the exit fee from each team.

SOOOO many things can change before "at some point" actually arrives!

Nah! If Texas and OU join the SEC (with or without little brothers) and West Virginia joins the ACC with N.D. coming on board, then we will likely convert the Dallas based LHN into the SECN and Charlotte into the ACCN and bundle the two and sell them together across both footprints for 1 rate. Nobody needs to leave to get competitive. There are enough brands for football to make both work and enough basketball brands for the Winter between the two, and baseball and softball galore in the Summer to go along with gymnastics, track & field, swimming & diving, tennis, golf, bass fishing, lacrosse, equestrian, you name it. Between the SEC and ACC we cover the spectrum and with winners. We just need to agree to play more cross conference games in the Big 3 sports.

I like it JR. The ACC & SEC are the top 2 baseball conferences & would thrive together.

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UNC and UVa are going nowhere. They ran the numbers and can't afford it. They will not join a league where they can't compete financially in the top third or top quarter.

A consortium and/or bundling of the ACC and SEC is much more likely than UNC or UVA leaving, moreover, UNC and UVA can't leave without NC State, VT, and Duke due to a set of interlocking politics and family relatioships that can't really be explained here.