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(02-22-2015 01:01 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Or rather just accusing the program of cheating with no proof whatsoever.

Which is exactly what people are saying about UK, no? No reason to get your panties in a bunch. I believe Mick runs a clean program. But the thread is titled "hypothetical."
 
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(02-22-2015 11:43 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(02-21-2015 05:52 PM)CincyCatz1224 Wrote:  I think the whole "all the big boys cheat" argument is just a way for people to rationalize UC not being as good as they are. Does that mean Wichita State cheats, too? What about Gonzaga? Unless you have any evidence, you just sound bitter.

Wichita State Baseball is currently under sanctions.
I'm not sure about their basketball program and sanctions. Shocker Basketball is sold out for every game so attendance is not a problem. There is a wait list for Shocker season tickets.

I spent a couple of summers interning in Wichita... Shocker baseball is akin to "Kentucky Basketball." Wichita goes NUTS for baseball...college baseball in particular...
 
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(02-22-2015 01:19 PM)CincyCatz1224 Wrote:  
(02-22-2015 01:01 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Or rather just accusing the program of cheating with no proof whatsoever.

Which is exactly what people are saying about UK, no? No reason to get your panties in a bunch. I believe Mick runs a clean program. But the thread is titled "hypothetical."

A. My panties aren't in a bunch

B. People are saying this about UK because they hired a coach where his last two stops got sanctioned for cheating and he is suddenly bringing an extraordinary number of highly rated recruits to UK who are by and large one and done. Seriously don't think this looks a little fishy?
 
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(02-22-2015 03:15 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  
(02-22-2015 01:19 PM)CincyCatz1224 Wrote:  
(02-22-2015 01:01 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Or rather just accusing the program of cheating with no proof whatsoever.

Which is exactly what people are saying about UK, no? No reason to get your panties in a bunch. I believe Mick runs a clean program. But the thread is titled "hypothetical."

A. My panties aren't in a bunch

B. People are saying this about UK because they hired a coach where his last two stops got sanctioned for cheating and he is suddenly bringing an extraordinary number of highly rated recruits to UK who are by and large one and done. Seriously don't think this looks a little fishy?

Agree totally. Especially when the guys on the bench are NBA talent that aren't playing as much of late and would be 30 minute starters on most other teams. I struggle to figure out why superstars go to UK when another stud at the same position is also being brought in, so they see limited minutes and don't get enough time to show their wares to the NBA when they could go elsewhere and have a chance to maybe be one and done as well (Next year they probably get a better chance, but then you worry that Cal brings in another stud at your position and you never get that chance. I can see that will start to happen, so maybe that will curb some of this).

Never trusted Cal (Already busted in two stops) or UK (I've talked to a few UK fans that will admit that lots of players have been in trouble over the years, only to have it swept under the rug and it is the $EC where the motto is "if you aren't cheatin', you ain't trying").
 
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(02-22-2015 04:43 PM)BigDawg Wrote:  
(02-22-2015 03:15 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  
(02-22-2015 01:19 PM)CincyCatz1224 Wrote:  
(02-22-2015 01:01 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Or rather just accusing the program of cheating with no proof whatsoever.

Which is exactly what people are saying about UK, no? No reason to get your panties in a bunch. I believe Mick runs a clean program. But the thread is titled "hypothetical."

A. My panties aren't in a bunch

B. People are saying this about UK because they hired a coach where his last two stops got sanctioned for cheating and he is suddenly bringing an extraordinary number of highly rated recruits to UK who are by and large one and done. Seriously don't think this looks a little fishy?

Agree totally. Especially when the guys on the bench are NBA talent that aren't playing as much of late and would be 30 minute starters on most other teams. I struggle to figure out why superstars go to UK when another stud at the same position is also being brought in, so they see limited minutes and don't get enough time to show their wares to the NBA when they could go elsewhere and have a chance to maybe be one and done as well (Next year they probably get a better chance, but then you worry that Cal brings in another stud at your position and you never get that chance. I can see that will start to happen, so maybe that will curb some of this).

Never trusted Cal (Already busted in two stops) or UK (I've talked to a few UK fans that will admit that lots of players have been in trouble over the years, only to have it swept under the rug and it is the $EC where the motto is "if you aren't cheatin', you ain't trying").

I wonder the same thing a lot, but it happens all the time everywhere. Hell look at any SEC football team. A lot of backups would be super stars at even slightly lesser schools. The only reasonable explanation besides a huge payday from the school is that these guys are so confident in their abilities that they believe they will take the starting job anyways.
 
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(02-22-2015 04:43 PM)BigDawg Wrote:  
(02-22-2015 03:15 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  
(02-22-2015 01:19 PM)CincyCatz1224 Wrote:  
(02-22-2015 01:01 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Or rather just accusing the program of cheating with no proof whatsoever.

Which is exactly what people are saying about UK, no? No reason to get your panties in a bunch. I believe Mick runs a clean program. But the thread is titled "hypothetical."

A. My panties aren't in a bunch

B. People are saying this about UK because they hired a coach where his last two stops got sanctioned for cheating and he is suddenly bringing an extraordinary number of highly rated recruits to UK who are by and large one and done. Seriously don't think this looks a little fishy?

Agree totally. Especially when the guys on the bench are NBA talent that aren't playing as much of late and would be 30 minute starters on most other teams. I struggle to figure out why superstars go to UK when another stud at the same position is also being brought in, so they see limited minutes and don't get enough time to show their wares to the NBA when they could go elsewhere and have a chance to maybe be one and done as well (Next year they probably get a better chance, but then you worry that Cal brings in another stud at your position and you never get that chance. I can see that will start to happen, so maybe that will curb some of this).

Never trusted Cal (Already busted in two stops) or UK (I've talked to a few UK fans that will admit that lots of players have been in trouble over the years, only to have it swept under the rug and it is the $EC where the motto is "if you aren't cheatin', you ain't trying").

Have you ever noticed that you never hear about any arrests of any kind with UK players. It is not a coincidence or that they are boy scouts. Lexington police and UK administrators are top notch at sweeping everything under the rug. It is no different than Happy Vally before PSU got busted. Lexington is basically it's own world with laws that don't apply to basketball players or coaches. Gillipsie was pulled over many times drunk and caught with co-eds and, yet never got the Larry Eustachy treatment, he was just told to go away quietly. My Neighbor growing up went to UK, his girlfriend had jewelry stolen from her by Jules Camera. When she called the police, Tubby Smith showed up the next day with a checkbook.
 
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Obviously it all seems fishy. If I had to bet on a program being dirty, Kentucky would be the one. But none of that is proof. Unfortunately, it is speculation. However, I am glad none of this is speculated about UC and no amount of success would make me want UC to be perceived as a dirty program.
 
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UK puts their team up in a multi-million dollar mansion. They have Jay-Z come speak in the locker room. Lebron is introduced at halftime of a game. Drake participants in their Big Blue Madness.

We have Nick Lachey.

You choose.


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Quote: It is not a coincidence or that they are boy scouts. Lexington police and UK administrators are top notch at sweeping everything under the rug. It is no different than Happy Vally before PSU got busted. Lexington is basically it's own world with laws that don't apply to basketball players or coaches. Gillipsie was pulled over many times drunk and caught with co-eds and, yet never got the Larry Eustachy treatment, he was just told to go away quietly. My Neighbor growing up went to UK, his girlfriend had jewelry stolen from her by Jules Camera. When she called the police, Tubby Smith showed up the next day with a checkbook.

Totally incorrect re Penn State. Any athlete (or student for that matter) at Penn State is 'busted', and have long been, as the offense fits. The difference between athletes and non athletic program students is that the athletes who are arrested generally get more press. And, as a reminder, it wasn't the entire student body, faculty, and alumni involved. It was Sandusky who perpetrated the crimes and the university president, vp, and AD who have been implicated in the cover up. P.S. It wasn't Paterno, either, though he later said he wished he would have done more (by making sure the higher ups did their jobs.)
If we don't like outsiders perpetrating UC as primarily a crime ridden commuter school, or Thug U - and we sure don't - it pays to get facts straight before continuing a convenient, but false, narrative of another school.
 
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(02-20-2015 09:23 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Lets weigh in on this hypothetical...


UC begins "shady" recruiting in basketball.

It results in five top 10 recruiting classes in a row.
Over a five year span they go to three final fours, two elite eights, and win a national championship.

A year or two after this run the shady recruiting is uncovered. UC is slapped with whatever penalties (loss of two
scholarships and banners come down) does a self ncaa ban for one year to ease sanctions. Mick is fired. Program is left with a full cupboard of players, having to hire a new coach, and a black eye. They remain relevant nationally and continue doing well despite the black eye.


Was it worth it?

After living through Gale Catlett....NO!
 
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(02-23-2015 02:16 PM)BearcatnKY Wrote:  UK puts their team up in a multi-million dollar mansion. They have Jay-Z come speak in the locker room. Lebron is introduced at halftime of a game. Drake participants in their Big Blue Madness.

We have Nick Lachey.

You choose.


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We also have Oscar Robertson. One of the greatest of all time. Arguably greater than Lebron in some regards...
 
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Oscar also attended a UK game this year at the request of Cal and posed for pictures, so they have him too.


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Oscar is irrelevant when it comes to recruiting.

Also, no way was he better than Lebron. Not close.
 
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(02-23-2015 02:16 PM)BearcatnKY Wrote:  UK puts their team up in a multi-million dollar mansion. They have Jay-Z come speak in the locker room. Lebron is introduced at halftime of a game. Drake participants in their Big Blue Madness.

We have Nick Lachey.

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According to the departing Adam Himmelsbach at the C-J, the final tab ran the university $431,836.10 for the trip to Bahamas, although it would’ve been much higher if not for a little help. Boosters contributed $347,047.30 for special treatment and the event raised $17,962.28 in ticket revenue. Without the financial assistance, UK would’ve coughed up $792,845.68, the total cost of the entire thing.
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(02-24-2015 04:24 PM)Overrated Wrote:  Oscar is irrelevant when it comes to recruiting.

Also, no way was he better than Lebron. Not close.

Lunacy rears it's head. Don't mistake the guy sitting courtside for:


Robertson continued to dominate his opponents while at the University of Cincinnati, recording an incredible scoring average of 33.8 points per game, the third highest in college history. In each of his three years, he won the national scoring title, was named an All-American, and was chosen College Player of the Year, while setting 14 NCAA and 19 school records.

And no 3 pt line...
 
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(02-24-2015 05:39 PM)BearcatBeta Wrote:  
(02-24-2015 04:24 PM)Overrated Wrote:  Oscar is irrelevant when it comes to recruiting.

Also, no way was he better than Lebron. Not close.

Lunacy rears it's head. Don't mistake the guy sitting courtside for:


Robertson continued to dominate his opponents while at the University of Cincinnati, recording an incredible scoring average of 33.8 points per game, the third highest in college history. In each of his three years, he won the national scoring title, was named an All-American, and was chosen College Player of the Year, while setting 14 NCAA and 19 school records.

And no 3 pt line...

What's the argument? Do you want me to go over what Lebron has done in his career.

Also, when comparing historical numbers, a couple of things have to be noted. First of all, the game is played much more slowly today. Back when Oscar was in the NBA, the average game had about 125 - 130 possessions per game. This led to a lot more points, rebounds and assists. Today, the average game is around 95 possessions. If you extrapolate Lebron's numbers to a 125 possession game, he's had years where he would have averaged something like 36, 14 and 11. There would have been multiple years where he averaged a triple double. Secondly, the players weren't nearly as good at shooting back in the day as they are today, which allowed even more rebound opportunities.

Or are you arguing Oscar somehow has pull in today's recruiting world? That seems even more ridiculous. I would imagine most recruits don't even know who he is.
 
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it's a worthless argument, comparing players of different eras, and not head to head. Who would you take,,Babe Ruth or Barry Bonds..It's more of who you like, not incongruent stats.
 
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(02-24-2015 06:14 PM)BearcatBeta Wrote:  it's a worthless argument, comparing players of different eras, and not head to head. Who would you take,,Babe Ruth or Barry Bonds..It's more of who you like, not incongruent stats.

I completely agree, it's a pointless argument. When you finally realize that, it is even more amazing that that is basically how college football decided a "champion" forever.
 
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I'd take Robertson in his prime over Lebron.
 
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Bob Knight stated Oscar was the greatest player of all time, just his opinion but he does know a thing or two.
 
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