(02-21-2015 09:42 AM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  

(02-21-2015 12:38 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(02-20-2015 07:52 PM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  

(02-20-2015 06:17 PM)klake87 Wrote:  We thought france and england could handle germany too

Comparing ISIS to Nazi Germany is a huge stretch. I hope you warmed up a bit before you attempted that one.

What do you suggest we do? Boots on the ground? Carpet bombing? They are not a threat to the United States.

Bleeds, how is ISIS one bit different than Nazi Germany, it is identical, completely identical

Power, money, ability to wage war (industrialization, technology, all that stuff).

Again, what is your suggestion to solve this problem.

First of all this administration can stop saying we can solve this genocide and Holocaust by giving ISIS jobs. Not being able to identify radical Islam extremists for what they are makes it impossible to even define a coherent strategy with our allies.

Arm the Kurds who don't have the weapons to battle ISIS. The Kurds have been the most devoted supporters of America in that region during years of war, and now when they need the help most, we have turned our back on them. If equipped they can actually be an effective fighting force.

Provide COORDINATED fierce and overwhelming air support for a ground attack composed of our allies (maybe involving some US Special forces). These pin prick air strikes have proven to do nothing and are a mere political cover.

Quit trying to act like Iran is a friend and treating these NUCLEAR capability talks like its some Monday night book club discussion. If they get a nuclear weapon, there is not even any question that Israel will be wiped off the map.

Stop telegraphing to our enemies what we will and wont do. This constant repetition of "we wont have boots on the ground" is so damaging and emboldens the enemy. If there is a military operation planned, do not announce it to the enemy like was done on the final day of the "Violent Extremism Summit"


Seriously, if you did not know Obama was president of the United States, you would think he is some foreign operative trying to sabotage this country. Everything thing he has said, everything he has done, has not had this country's best interest at heart. I am not going to argue with anyone like Giuliani that says he doesn't love this country. When you have a pattern of behavior like this, you have to start to question motives.

(02-21-2015 12:23 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(02-21-2015 09:42 AM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  

(02-21-2015 12:38 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(02-20-2015 07:52 PM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  

(02-20-2015 06:17 PM)klake87 Wrote:  We thought france and england could handle germany too

Comparing ISIS to Nazi Germany is a huge stretch. I hope you warmed up a bit before you attempted that one.

What do you suggest we do? Boots on the ground? Carpet bombing? They are not a threat to the United States.

Bleeds, how is ISIS one bit different than Nazi Germany, it is identical, completely identical

Power, money, ability to wage war (industrialization, technology, all that stuff).

Again, what is your suggestion to solve this problem.

First of all this administration can stop saying we can solve this genocide and Holocaust by giving ISIS jobs. Not being able to identify radical Islam extremists for what they are makes it impossible to even define a coherent strategy with our allies.

Arm the Kurds who don't have the weapons to battle ISIS. The Kurds have been the most devoted supporters of America in that region during years of war, and now when they need the help most, we have turned our back on them. If equipped they can actually be an effective fighting force.

Provide COORDINATED fierce and overwhelming air support for a ground attack composed of our allies (maybe involving some US Special forces). These pin prick air strikes have proven to do nothing and are a mere political cover.

Quit trying to act like Iran is a friend and treating these NUCLEAR capability talks like its some Monday night book club discussion. If they get a nuclear weapon, there is not even any question that Israel will be wiped off the map.

To your point there, if Iran got one nuke and decided to actually employ it against Isreal, then yes about five square miles of one city will be leveled, and it will be tragic. However, you have to remember, if they get that far, they will probably try to test it first, like almost every other nuclear nation (maybe not Israel, but maybe Israel). If Iran uses a nuclear weapon against Israel, then Iran would actually be wiped off the map, due to Israels estimated stockpile of 200 warheads. I would hate to be downwind of Iran for a few weeks after that. Iran isn't a fully irrational actor. There is a strong desire for self preservation. They talk a big game, then get hit with Stuxnet. (note I am not advocating any of this, if no more nuclear weapons ever get used again, ever, even that won't even be good enough)

To your point advocating for stronger airstrikes in conjuction with allied forces on the ground. Which allies are you going to in order to convince them to invade? Are you a good enough salesman to do so while saying "we will protect you from the air only, we will not be inserting troops, maybe a few seal units here and there"?

To arming the Kurds. We have tried arming non state actors before (see Afghanistan 1980s), it doesn't work well.

The only way for ISIS to cease to exist is for the local neighborhood to step up and act. And by that I mean the state actors (Israel [if they ever feel threatened enough], Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and dare I say, even Iran) If these nations show the stones to do so, sell them weapons and let them lay waste to ISIS. They are capable, they just don't want to because they assume we will.

(02-21-2015 12:23 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  First of all this administration can stop saying we can solve this genocide and Holocaust by giving ISIS jobs. Not being able to identify radical Islam extremists for what they are makes it impossible to even define a coherent strategy with our allies.

Arm the Kurds who don't have the weapons to battle ISIS. The Kurds have been the most devoted supporters of America in that region during years of war, and now when they need the help most, we have turned our back on them. If equipped they can actually be an effective fighting force.

Provide COORDINATED fierce and overwhelming air support for a ground attack composed of our allies (maybe involving some US Special forces). These pin prick air strikes have proven to do nothing and are a mere political cover.

Quit trying to act like Iran is a friend and treating these NUCLEAR capability talks like its some Monday night book club discussion. If they get a nuclear weapon, there is not even any question that Israel will be wiped off the map.

Stop telegraphing to our enemies what we will and wont do. This constant repetition of "we wont have boots on the ground" is so damaging and emboldens the enemy. If there is a military operation planned, do not announce it to the enemy like was done on the final day of the "Violent Extremism Summit"

Seriously, if you did not know Obama was president of the United States, you would think he is some foreign operative trying to sabotage this country. Everything thing he has said, everything he has done, has not had this country's best interest at heart. I am not going to argue with anyone like Giuliani that says he doesn't love this country. When you have a pattern of behavior like this, you have to start to question motives.

"Quit trying to act like Iran is a friend and treating these NUCLEAR capability talks like its some Monday night book club discussion. If they get a nuclear weapon, there is not even any question that Israel will be wiped off the map."

Have you seen these discussions take place first hand???? Or, is Fox news just telling you that's how it happens...

"Everything thing he has said, everything he has done, has not had this country's best interest at heart. "

Everything???????

"Arm the Kurds who don't have the weapons to battle ISIS"

From Obama:
"We have supplied (the Kurds) with enormous amount of ammunition, weapons, other things. And others are supplying them,"

Ted Cruz:
"What makes no sense whatsoever is the Obama administration is refusing to directly arm the Kurds,"

Ted Cruz is either an idiot, or he's just trying to paint an ugly picture of Obama, because we are not LEGALLY able to DIRECTLY arm the Kurds under the Foreign Assistance Act and thr Arms Export Control Act http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2010...chap39.htm Because the Kurds are not a fully independent nation, the United States MUST coordinate these transfers through the Iraqi government in Baghdad.

Somebody's been watching "Fox News" too much.

(02-21-2015 09:51 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Somebody's been watching "Fox News" too much.

Somebody doesn't watch Fox News enough.

(02-21-2015 11:19 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  

(02-21-2015 09:51 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Somebody's been watching "Fox News" too much.

Somebody doesn't watch Fox News enough.

Amen! Fox News has a conservative slant yes, but its the only place you are going to get the stories that the administration does not allow CNN, NBC, MSNBC, ABC, CBS broadcast. Fox News is providing an EXTREMELY valuable service right now, and really the only stopgap between fascist type regimes where broadcast news is completely biased toward an administration.

(02-21-2015 11:43 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(02-21-2015 11:19 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  

(02-21-2015 09:51 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Somebody's been watching "Fox News" too much.

Somebody doesn't watch Fox News enough.

Amen! Fox News has a conservative slant yes, but its the only place you are going to get the stories that the administration does not allow CNN, NBC, MSNBC, ABC, CBS broadcast. Fox News is providing an EXTREMELY valuable service right now, and really the only stopgap between fascist type regimes where broadcast news is completely biased toward an administration.

Fox news tells you that Obama is 'indirectly' (instead of directly) funding the Kurbs, and then doesn't tell you why. The network is built around making you hate the president in office, and that is enough to make me hate Fox news.

(02-21-2015 11:43 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(02-21-2015 11:19 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  

(02-21-2015 09:51 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Somebody's been watching "Fox News" too much.

Somebody doesn't watch Fox News enough.

Amen! Fox News has a conservative slant yes, but its the only place you are going to get the stories that the administration does not allow CNN, NBC, MSNBC, ABC, CBS broadcast. Fox News is providing an EXTREMELY valuable service right now, and really the only stopgap between fascist type regimes where broadcast news is completely biased toward an administration.

Absolute. lunatic.

The crazy is strong in this thread.