(02-17-2015 09:15 AM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  you mean the year they choked away a double-digit lead (around 19 points if I remember correctly) and lost by a point on a tip-in? I just wish I could remember who beat them that year! hmmm...!

I remember watching that at the Gund.

I have unsuccessfully tried to burn the images of that game from my brain.

(02-21-2015 04:02 PM)nyquil Wrote:  

(02-17-2015 09:15 AM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  you mean the year they choked away a double-digit lead (around 19 points if I remember correctly) and lost by a point on a tip-in? I just wish I could remember who beat them that year! hmmm...!

I remember watching that at the Gund.

I have unsuccessfully tried to burn the images of that game from my brain.

oh yeah I was there too! Amazing game! I guess we'll always have differing perspectives on it! :-)

and as amazing as that feeling was for Ohio fans when the ball went in the basket at the buzzer, it was almost as exhilarating a feeling a few months later when we beat Pitt in OT in Coach Solich's first home game as the Bobcat head coach!

(02-21-2015 01:51 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  I would say breaking a true drought for Fans would be:
Football...Winning your division going to MACC
Basketball...making it to final game of MAC Tourney

Number of full seasons since last football MACC appearance:
NIU and BG: 0
KSU: 2
Ohio: 3
Miami: 4
CMU: 5
Buffalo and BSU: 6
Akron: 9
Toledo: 10
WMU: 14
EMU has never played in a football MACC.

Number of full seasons since last men's basketball MACC appearance:
WMU and Toledo: 0
Akron and Ohio: 1
KSU: 3
Buffalo: 5
Miami: 7
CMU: 11
BG: 12
BSU: 14
EMU: 16
NIU: 32 (including seasons while not in MAC)

Toledo's been arguably the second best football team over the last 5 seasons. But when you play in a division format it's tough goins when the team who has won 3/5 and has been to all 5 (NIU) is in your division.
Non division format Toledo would have been in the MAC championship in 2010, 2011, and 2014.

Basketball eliminates the divisions having real meaning so no excuse there. We have a decent shot this year if we can grab some byes in our tourney. Best BPI, and second best RPI in the conference.

(02-18-2015 12:08 AM)The Colonel Wrote:  

(02-17-2015 07:58 PM)Okie Chippewa Wrote:  Could someone with the data calculate a two-sport Misery Index of MAC teams by adding the number of years since championships were won in football and hoops?

Ask and you shall receive. The two-sport "MAC Misery Index:"

Akron: 10 (9 full seasons since MAC FB title + 1 full season since NCAA BB bid)
Miami: 11 (4 full FB seasons + 7 full BB seasons)
CMU: 16 (5 full FB seasons + 11 full BB seasons)
NIU: 18 (0 as defending FB champion + 18 full BB seasons)
BUF: 21 (6 full FB seasons + 15 full BB seasons since joining MAC)
WMU: 26 (26 full FB seasons + 0 as defending BB champion)
BSU: 32 (18 full FB seasons + 14 full BB seasons)
EMU: 43 (27 full FB seasons + 16 full BB seasons)
Toledo: 44 (10 full FB seasons + 34 full BB seasons)
BG: 47 (1 full FB seasons + 46 full BB seasons)
KSU: 48 (42 full FB seasons + 6 full BB seasons)
Ohio: 48 (46 full FB seasons + 2 full BB seasons)

Can UB get a recount!

(03-15-2015 12:36 AM)NickleCity Wrote:  Can UB get a recount!

Can do for the new MAC champions - congrats! And congrats to CMU as well for an impressive turnaround season.

Updated "MAC Misery Index:"

Buffalo: 6 (6 full FB seasons since MAC FB title + 0 as defending BB champion)
Akron: 11 (9 full FB seasons + 2 full seasons since NCAA BB bid)
Miami: 12 (4 full FB seasons + 8 full BB seasons)
CMU: 17 (5 full FB seasons + 12 full BB seasons)
NIU: 19 (0 as defending FB champion + 19 full BB seasons)
WMU: 27 (26 full FB seasons + 1 full BB season)
BSU: 33 (18 full FB seasons + 15 full BB seasons)
EMU: 44 (27 full FB seasons + 17 full BB seasons)
Toledo: 45 (10 full FB seasons + 35 full BB seasons)
BG: 48 (1 full FB season + 47 full BB seasons)
KSU: 49 (42 full FB seasons + 7 full BB seasons)
Ohio: 49 (46 full FB seasons + 3 full BB seasons)

(03-15-2015 01:49 PM)The Colonel Wrote:  Updated "MAC Misery Index:"

Buffalo: 6 (6 full FB seasons since MAC FB title + 0 as defending BB champion)
Akron: 11 (9 full FB seasons + 2 full seasons since NCAA BB bid)
Miami: 12 (4 full FB seasons + 8 full BB seasons)
CMU: 17 (5 full FB seasons + 12 full BB seasons)
NIU: 19 (0 as defending FB champion + 19 full BB seasons)
WMU: 27 (26 full FB seasons + 1 full BB season)
BSU: 33 (18 full FB seasons + 15 full BB seasons)
EMU: 44 (27 full FB seasons + 17 full BB seasons)
Toledo: 45 (10 full FB seasons + 35 full BB seasons)
BG: 48 (1 full FB season + 47 full BB seasons)
KSU: 49 (42 full FB seasons + 7 full BB seasons)
Ohio: 49 (46 full FB seasons + 3 full BB seasons)

I get that the point of the misery index is to measure the droughts of each MAC school, but using seasons since last championship as the sole indicator of misery may skew the results a bit in measuring how miserable each fan base is or isn't. Just looking at these results alone, an outsider may think Miami fans are pretty happy where we're at while OU fans would be suffering from crippling depression. While OU football is still going through their football drought, you'd be hard pressed to find a fan who would trade the past ten years of Bobcat football and basketball with the past ten years of Miami. One fluke season doesn't make me any less miserable now after sitting through three years of Treadwell and growing pains under Martin. If I get the time, I may come up with my own misery index that puts more weight on recent performance.

(03-15-2015 02:40 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 01:49 PM)The Colonel Wrote:  Updated "MAC Misery Index:"

Buffalo: 6 (6 full FB seasons since MAC FB title + 0 as defending BB champion)
Akron: 11 (9 full FB seasons + 2 full seasons since NCAA BB bid)
Miami: 12 (4 full FB seasons + 8 full BB seasons)
CMU: 17 (5 full FB seasons + 12 full BB seasons)
NIU: 19 (0 as defending FB champion + 19 full BB seasons)
WMU: 27 (26 full FB seasons + 1 full BB season)
BSU: 33 (18 full FB seasons + 15 full BB seasons)
EMU: 44 (27 full FB seasons + 17 full BB seasons)
Toledo: 45 (10 full FB seasons + 35 full BB seasons)
BG: 48 (1 full FB season + 47 full BB seasons)
KSU: 49 (42 full FB seasons + 7 full BB seasons)
Ohio: 49 (46 full FB seasons + 3 full BB seasons)

I get that the point of the misery index is to measure the droughts of each MAC school, but using seasons since last championship as the sole indicator of misery may skew the results a bit in measuring how miserable each fan base is or isn't. Just looking at these results alone, an outsider may think Miami fans are pretty happy where we're at while OU fans would be suffering from crippling depression. While OU football is still going through their football drought, you'd be hard pressed to find a fan who would trade the past ten years of Bobcat football and basketball with the past ten years of Miami. One fluke season doesn't make me any less miserable now after sitting through three years of Treadwell and growing pains under Martin. If I get the time, I may come up with my own misery index that puts more weight on recent performance.

It also doesn't take into account heartbreak losses, which can hurt more than a game where you were just plain outplayed.