2 problems with the "fat" theory:

1) picture was taken shortly after playoffs - no time to gain that much weight.

2) see coach in the background pulling cord around Winston's waist? Just how tight IS that cord, anyway?

Still makes for a very viral picture though.

Too many crab legs?

(02-16-2015 10:50 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

2 problems with the "fat" theory:

1) picture was taken shortly after playoffs - no time to gain that much weight.

2) see coach in the background pulling cord around Winston's waist? Just how tight IS that cord, anyway?

Still makes for a very viral picture though.

"JaMarcus" Winston...

Also, his throwing at the NFL Combine a GAMETIME decision:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...-decision/

(02-16-2015 11:37 AM)Lucy Wrote:  Too many crab legs?

Seafood is ok... too much BUTTER?

In this case, I think Jameis should throw at the combine. There are just too many questions about him that he needs to address. He needs to shut up people and the only way to do that is to go to the combine and dominate it. Otherwise, if I were an NFL team, I'd probably stay away from that position this year.

Personally, I think he is WAY better than Mariota but there are still plenty of legitimate questions about the former Florida State signal caller.

He is going to be a first rounder no matter what. However, he is not a lock to be the top pick - even in this historically weak draft.

(02-16-2015 11:31 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  In this case, I think Jameis should throw at the combine. There are just too many questions about him that he needs to address. He needs to shut up people and the only way to do that is to go to the combine and dominate it. Otherwise, if I were an NFL team, I'd probably stay away from that position this year.

Personally, I think he is WAY better than Mariota but there are still plenty of legitimate questions about the former Florida State signal caller.

He is going to be a first rounder no matter what. However, he is not a lock to be the top pick - even in this historically weak draft.

+1

(02-17-2015 09:32 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 11:31 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  In this case, I think Jameis should throw at the combine. There are just too many questions about him that he needs to address. He needs to shut up people and the only way to do that is to go to the combine and dominate it. Otherwise, if I were an NFL team, I'd probably stay away from that position this year.

Personally, I think he is WAY better than Mariota but there are still plenty of legitimate questions about the former Florida State signal caller.

He is going to be a first rounder no matter what. However, he is not a lock to be the top pick - even in this historically weak draft.

+1

+100...as a QB at the next level it is not even close...

(02-16-2015 11:31 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  In this case, I think Jameis should throw at the combine. There are just too many questions about him that he needs to address. He needs to shut up people and the only way to do that is to go to the combine and dominate it. Otherwise, if I were an NFL team, I'd probably stay away from that position this year.

Personally, I think he is WAY better than Mariota but there are still plenty of legitimate questions about the former Florida State signal caller.

He is going to be a first rounder no matter what. However, he is not a lock to be the top pick - even in this historically weak draft.

Do those "legitimate questions" center around the off-field transgressions? If so, how does throwing change that?

(02-17-2015 02:47 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 11:31 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  In this case, I think Jameis should throw at the combine. There are just too many questions about him that he needs to address. He needs to shut up people and the only way to do that is to go to the combine and dominate it. Otherwise, if I were an NFL team, I'd probably stay away from that position this year.

Personally, I think he is WAY better than Mariota but there are still plenty of legitimate questions about the former Florida State signal caller.

He is going to be a first rounder no matter what. However, he is not a lock to be the top pick - even in this historically weak draft.

Do those "legitimate questions" center around the off-field transgressions? If so, how does throwing change that?

If I were an NFL GM I'd want to know if he can read defenses and stop throwing interceptions at the pro level.

IMO it's important that he throw at the combine, but it's not critical.

He's going to make or break himself in the individual interviews.

(02-17-2015 08:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-17-2015 02:47 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 11:31 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  In this case, I think Jameis should throw at the combine. There are just too many questions about him that he needs to address. He needs to shut up people and the only way to do that is to go to the combine and dominate it. Otherwise, if I were an NFL team, I'd probably stay away from that position this year.

Personally, I think he is WAY better than Mariota but there are still plenty of legitimate questions about the former Florida State signal caller.

He is going to be a first rounder no matter what. However, he is not a lock to be the top pick - even in this historically weak draft.

Do those "legitimate questions" center around the off-field transgressions? If so, how does throwing change that?

If I were an NFL GM I'd want to know if he can read defenses and stop throwing interceptions at the pro level.

If Winston can read defenses? Yea, he rarely read defenses, anticipated receivers' cuts/breaks, or threw into NFL-sized windows while at FSU. Almost never took snaps from under center or made audibles. Was a product of a non-pro style offense.

How was Winston in regards to interceptions his freshman year? Could having a significantly worse defense, OL, RB corp and WR corp have affected that any?

If you want to see him "read a defense", watch the film. Because they don't do that at the Combine, wise guy. And I've seen statisticians say that college INTs (lack or preponderance of) don't correlate well to the pros.

But hey, whatever you say.

(02-17-2015 10:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  IMO it's important that he throw at the combine, but it's not critical.

He's going to make or break himself in the individual interviews.

It's not important at all. As a fan (both in general and of his), I'd like to see him throw and throw well. But it won't make or break his draft status. Even then he will have his FSU pro day as well as his private workouts for numerous teams to also showcase his abilities.

The interviews are absolutely the more important aspect. And again, if he makes a good impression with teams at the Combine, he'll have the ability to build upon that with the aforementioned private workouts.

(02-17-2015 11:17 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(02-17-2015 08:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-17-2015 02:47 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 11:31 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  In this case, I think Jameis should throw at the combine. There are just too many questions about him that he needs to address. He needs to shut up people and the only way to do that is to go to the combine and dominate it. Otherwise, if I were an NFL team, I'd probably stay away from that position this year.

Personally, I think he is WAY better than Mariota but there are still plenty of legitimate questions about the former Florida State signal caller.

He is going to be a first rounder no matter what. However, he is not a lock to be the top pick - even in this historically weak draft.

Do those "legitimate questions" center around the off-field transgressions? If so, how does throwing change that?

If I were an NFL GM I'd want to know if he can read defenses and stop throwing interceptions at the pro level.

If Winston can read defenses? Yea, he rarely read defenses, anticipated receivers' cuts/breaks, or threw into NFL-sized windows while at FSU. Almost never took snaps from under center or made audibles. Was a product of a non-pro style offense.

How was Winston in regards to interceptions his freshman year? Could having a significantly worse defense, OL, RB corp and WR corp have affected that any?

If you want to see him "read a defense", watch the film. Because they don't do that at the Combine, wise guy. And I've seen statisticians say that college INTs (lack or preponderance of) don't correlate well to the pros.

But hey, whatever you say.

I never said he couldn't, I just said that's what I'd want to know if I was an NFL GM. He regressed in 2014 - you may be correct about the reasons, but before he is drafted his new team needs to be sure. Throwing at the combine will help them evaluate him, that's all.

I don't think the drills at the combine are all that important for a guy like Winston. I don't think there's any question that physically, the guy can play QB in the NFL.

The problem is that in a QB driven league the team that drafts him needs to be sure that he'll stay on the field. Due to his track record of off the field issues it's going to be interesting to see who is willing to make that pick and when.

Of course he regressed. That 2013 season was SPECIAL. He was never going to repeat that and was only going to regress. The things I mentioned certainly didn't help. That's not to say he doesn't need to improve on things. He obviously does, just like every other player. But he has more to start with than just about anybody.

"He regressed in 2014 "

I can see how the average fan or ESPN talking head believes this.


Jimbo Fisher and fans that follow it closely would disagree with you.


The pro pass game is dependent on receivers......the RIGHT type of receivers to work. FSU had a 175 wideout in Rashard Greene and a 6'3 TE with super short arms (he isn't really a TE, he was a H back).


That was it. Everyone else was a slot receiver with no experience or true freshman.


No big WR, no WR who could handle press coverage, almost zero experience.......on top of all this, FSU had HUGE center issues until the last 3-4 games, one true RB in Dalvin Cook and he was a true freshman.



He didn't regress.....he had a different team that lacked needed weapons in a pro style offense (and why many schools don't run this type of offense, it is damn near impossible to amass the weapons needed annually unless you are BAMA).



On a side note, Winston checked in at 6'3 231 today....not fat at all. But the general public believes ALL NARATIVES that press pushes and they are out of their minds in hating this kid.


I believe he is immature, no doubt (how many 20 year olds are? Does this make them evil like the press is pushing?)......but the masses are so easily led by the media in what they are supposed to believe....the mob mentality is really a sad thing to see.

From the NFL Combine this morning as reported by Adam Schefter...Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota Official Measurements...Only 9 Pounds heavier then Mariota:

Adam Schefter
Tale of tapes: Jameis Winston measures in at 6-3 3/4, 231 pounds; Marcus Mariota 6-3 3/4, 222 pounds.

He looked pretty "crabby" in that photo.

(02-19-2015 10:53 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  He looked pretty "crabby" in that photo.

He may have looked "Crabby" in that photo BUT he weighed in this morning in Indianapolis at the Combine and he is pretty much the same size as Mariota...