(02-16-2015 10:44 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 09:15 PM)PAL88888 Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 08:35 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 06:50 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 11:11 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Ok, I will spell it out for you guys.....again.

Texas is going to go indie in football with a similar deal as Notre Dame with the ACC. Baylor will go with them. The SEC will get a couple of nice fillers for the four division future. Oklahoma State goes well with LSU, A&M and Arkansas. WVU goes well with Tennessee, Kentucky and Missouri. The ACC probably ends up being the one leveraged the most as they end up taking UConn in return for ESPN merging the LHN into an ACCN which is a combination of regional networks that allow for each school to have their own creative programming. That last bit is probably what it takes to get Texas signed on to the ACCN.

The big payout has to go to the PAC because they end up with Texas Tech, TCU, KSU and ISU. They are able to provide programming for 90 new Saturday college football time slots with the addition of four Central Time Zone locations.

That IS how it is going to go. It is the ONLY way that it can go without movement having to wait for another decade.


In terms of Network coverage, the loss of the big 12 hits Fox hardest. In order to keep them in this plan, ESPN allows The Big Ten to renegotiate their Tier 1 to allow Fox an equal stake in The Big Ten's Tier 1 rights.

The conferences very quickly create new divisional rules and the Networks immediately buy up the newly created conference tournament semifinal games.

Everyone wins and I mean everyone.

One would think that if this is really the plan for Final Realignment that someone like McMurphy would have sniffed it out by now. Something this elaborate can't be a secret for so long.

Also, how would the ACC divisions be constructed in the aftermath?

When folks sign an NDA, people like McMurphy don't find out. Compartmentalization helps as well.


North Carolina
NC State
Duke
Virginia

Florida State
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Wake Forest

Miami
Boston College
Syracuse
UConn

Virginia Tech
Louisville
Pitt
Baylor


This is just a mock up. It could go a few ways.

Those pods look pretty good, but won't some of those teams get poached by the B1G? What if the B1G goes to 20? Then, how many ACC teams go bye-bye?

Keep in mind, I am considered a Big Ten homer around here so when I say this, it should pop.

The Big Ten cannot poach the ACC. The Exit fee was weak enough at the beginning to go ahead and poach Maryland away. That didn't surprise me though because I have told these people for a couple years now that Maryland was Big Ten bound. I don't see anyone else in the ACC being willing to eat that solidified Exit Fee now.

There are some folks that think the ACC is still bound to be picked apart but I am not one of them.

Now, maybe I am wrong but I don't think so.

Neither the ACC nor the Big 12 need to be poached or picked apart now. We are now in the age of conference networks. Either the ACC gets a network and survives, or it will not. I have been saying that on this site for years. If the ACC does not get a network it will implode from within. The same is true for the Big 12, except it will be harder for them to get a network than the ACC for obvious reasons. I predict they both implode about the same time.

No conference has shown long term stability over 15 teams. Think about that for a moment.

A few years ago the B12 could have grabbed Louisville, WVU, Pitt and Cinci, and probably, w/the ACC stuck with UConn and getting picked off by the B1G, enticed FSU and Clemson as well.

You could then have had a B12 EAST w/
WVU, Pitt, Cinci, Louisville, FSU, Clemson and TCU

and a B12 WEST w/
ISU, KU, KSU, OU, OSU, Tex, Ttch, Baylor

That's a hell of a conference with pretty even balance in both football and basketball, and a lot of eyeballs.

It also preserves the old B12 rivalries in the WEST.

The ACC gets stuck with UConn and is playing catch-up in football-

Wake, Duke, NC, NC St, Va, VT, BC, UConn, Syracuse, Miami - they are the ones stuck with 10 in this setup.

ACC would have been ripped apart by the big 10/sec if FSU and few left for the big 12. Right now ESPN should be looking into merging the big 12 into the ACC and converting the LHN into and ACCN. If you take those 25 school's off the market, the big 10 and sec really have no expansion moves and will stand at 14…which is a pretty good setup for them. Maybe the pac 12 could jump to 14 with some MWC school's, 2 from unlv and boise/new mexico to match the big 10/sec. Thus, you would have three 14 team leagues and the ACC merged conference. For the ACC merged conference to work you would need rules changes where each division can have hoop tourney and the football setup allows a 2 game playoff. What's in it for the big 10, sec and pac 12? That is an issue. They could wait out the big 12/acc or find a compromise. I don't think the compromise is the sec and pac 12 taking weak school's. Thus, let the acc/big 12 merge and have an extra playoff game for that setup. Give auto bids to the big 10, sec and pac 12 champs and let the acc/combo have 1 bid but 2 game playoff among its pods.

(02-17-2015 12:21 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 06:49 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 03:59 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 12:22 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 11:35 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  IF Texas goes Indy as you predict, what happens to their basketball and baseball programs. Where do they go?

H1 said they would go to the ACC as a partial member. With Baylor as a full member this would make sense to me with Baylor as a permanent game in football.

I could see Texas go H&H with FSU, GT, Clemson & Miami every other year & cycle through Pitt, Syr & BC (UConn?). The last 2 games would cycle through the Carolinas, Virginias & UL.

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No. He said they would go indie in football with a deal similiar to Notre Dame in the ACC

No way will the Big12 let Texas go Indy in football and leave their other sports in the Big12. So I ask again.............. if Texas goes Indy in football .........where do the basketball, baseball and other sports programs go?

I have asked this question several time to those who say Texas will go Indy and no one has ever provided a reasonable answer.

Uh, yes the person you quoted was correct. Just as all of Notre Dame's sports besides football are part of the ACC, the same would be the case for Texas. I don't know why you are confused with that.

Going Indie and a partial in the ACC is two different things. However, Texas has said it prefers its olympic sports teams to not have to travel across half of the United States. UT would be isloated on an island in the ACC. That is no problen for football, but I do not believe Texas will accept that for its other sports. They said that when they worked hard to save the Big12.

So in my mind if the football program goes Indie with a schedule alliance with the ACC.....then they would have to find a new home for their other sports.

Most folks seem to not quite comprehend just how much mileage there is out West. The distance isn't closer in the PAC and it also has the negative aspect of the two hour time difference. That is tough when you lose two hours coming home.

If Texas goes partial football contract with the ACC, they only get that if they agree to join the ACC in all other sports.

In regards to my terminology, I have never stated Texas as a true Indie. When I speak about Texas in regards to being an Independent, I am talking strictly about football and the title Independent that is an acceptable designation in football. Notre Dame is still considered one of the Independent schools despite it's schedule contract with the ACC AND Notre Dame's full membership in all other sports.

(02-16-2015 10:44 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 09:15 PM)PAL88888 Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 08:35 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 06:50 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 11:11 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Ok, I will spell it out for you guys.....again.

Texas is going to go indie in football with a similar deal as Notre Dame with the ACC. Baylor will go with them. The SEC will get a couple of nice fillers for the four division future. Oklahoma State goes well with LSU, A&M and Arkansas. WVU goes well with Tennessee, Kentucky and Missouri. The ACC probably ends up being the one leveraged the most as they end up taking UConn in return for ESPN merging the LHN into an ACCN which is a combination of regional networks that allow for each school to have their own creative programming. That last bit is probably what it takes to get Texas signed on to the ACCN.

The big payout has to go to the PAC because they end up with Texas Tech, TCU, KSU and ISU. They are able to provide programming for 90 new Saturday college football time slots with the addition of four Central Time Zone locations.

That IS how it is going to go. It is the ONLY way that it can go without movement having to wait for another decade.


In terms of Network coverage, the loss of the big 12 hits Fox hardest. In order to keep them in this plan, ESPN allows The Big Ten to renegotiate their Tier 1 to allow Fox an equal stake in The Big Ten's Tier 1 rights.

The conferences very quickly create new divisional rules and the Networks immediately buy up the newly created conference tournament semifinal games.

Everyone wins and I mean everyone.

One would think that if this is really the plan for Final Realignment that someone like McMurphy would have sniffed it out by now. Something this elaborate can't be a secret for so long.

Also, how would the ACC divisions be constructed in the aftermath?

When folks sign an NDA, people like McMurphy don't find out. Compartmentalization helps as well.


North Carolina
NC State
Duke
Virginia

Florida State
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Wake Forest

Miami
Boston College
Syracuse
UConn

Virginia Tech
Louisville
Pitt
Baylor


This is just a mock up. It could go a few ways.

Those pods look pretty good, but won't some of those teams get poached by the B1G? What if the B1G goes to 20? Then, how many ACC teams go bye-bye?

Keep in mind, I am considered a Big Ten homer around here so when I say this, it should pop.

The Big Ten cannot poach the ACC. The Exit fee was weak enough at the beginning to go ahead and poach Maryland away. That didn't surprise me though because I have told these people for a couple years now that Maryland was Big Ten bound. I don't see anyone else in the ACC being willing to eat that solidified Exit Fee now.

There are some folks that think the ACC is still bound to be picked apart but I am not one of them.

Now, maybe I am wrong but I don't think so.

He1,
You paint an interesting picture. As a Big Ten homer also, I would love to see KU and OU or Mizzou in the B1G. Just curious, do you have contacts or inside knowledge, or are you "hypothesizing".
Also, would Texas and ND be able to play in the ACC championship game, or some type of 13 game to enhance their strength of schedule?

(02-17-2015 03:18 PM)PAL88888 Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 10:44 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 09:15 PM)PAL88888 Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 08:35 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 06:50 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  One would think that if this is really the plan for Final Realignment that someone like McMurphy would have sniffed it out by now. Something this elaborate can't be a secret for so long.

Also, how would the ACC divisions be constructed in the aftermath?

When folks sign an NDA, people like McMurphy don't find out. Compartmentalization helps as well.


North Carolina
NC State
Duke
Virginia

Florida State
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Wake Forest

Miami
Boston College
Syracuse
UConn

Virginia Tech
Louisville
Pitt
Baylor


This is just a mock up. It could go a few ways.

Those pods look pretty good, but won't some of those teams get poached by the B1G? What if the B1G goes to 20? Then, how many ACC teams go bye-bye?

Keep in mind, I am considered a Big Ten homer around here so when I say this, it should pop.

The Big Ten cannot poach the ACC. The Exit fee was weak enough at the beginning to go ahead and poach Maryland away. That didn't surprise me though because I have told these people for a couple years now that Maryland was Big Ten bound. I don't see anyone else in the ACC being willing to eat that solidified Exit Fee now.

There are some folks that think the ACC is still bound to be picked apart but I am not one of them.

Now, maybe I am wrong but I don't think so.

He1,
You paint an interesting picture. As a Big Ten homer also, I would love to see KU and OU or Mizzou in the B1G. Just curious, do you have contacts or inside knowledge, or are you "hypothesizing".
Also, would Texas and ND be able to play in the ACC championship game, or some type of 13 game to enhance their strength of schedule?

No, the detriment to that type of deal for ND and UT is that they don't get to take part in the championship game or the future AAC championship tournament. Most programs would balk at that but these are two Elite brands. They really don't need the championship moniker that other programs might.

When we move to four major conferences and a six game playoff, there will be a spot set that Texas or Notre Dame could slip into. That chance is enough for the likes of Texas and Notre Dame. The polls will always be friendly to them considering the schedules these teams will have with all that scheduling freedom.

They will miss out on the money of the conference tournaments but neither program needs it.

(02-17-2015 02:57 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-17-2015 12:21 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 06:49 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 03:59 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 12:22 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  H1 said they would go to the ACC as a partial member. With Baylor as a full member this would make sense to me with Baylor as a permanent game in football.

I could see Texas go H&H with FSU, GT, Clemson & Miami every other year & cycle through Pitt, Syr & BC (UConn?). The last 2 games would cycle through the Carolinas, Virginias & UL.

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No. He said they would go indie in football with a deal similiar to Notre Dame in the ACC

No way will the Big12 let Texas go Indy in football and leave their other sports in the Big12. So I ask again.............. if Texas goes Indy in football .........where do the basketball, baseball and other sports programs go?

I have asked this question several time to those who say Texas will go Indy and no one has ever provided a reasonable answer.

Uh, yes the person you quoted was correct. Just as all of Notre Dame's sports besides football are part of the ACC, the same would be the case for Texas. I don't know why you are confused with that.

Going Indie and a partial in the ACC is two different things. However, Texas has said it prefers its olympic sports teams to not have to travel across half of the United States. UT would be isloated on an island in the ACC. That is no problen for football, but I do not believe Texas will accept that for its other sports. They said that when they worked hard to save the Big12.

So in my mind if the football program goes Indie with a schedule alliance with the ACC.....then they would have to find a new home for their other sports.

Most folks seem to not quite comprehend just how much mileage there is out West. The distance isn't closer in the PAC and it also has the negative aspect of the two hour time difference. That is tough when you lose two hours coming home.

If Texas goes partial football contract with the ACC, they only get that if they agree to join the ACC in all other sports.

In regards to my terminology, I have never stated Texas as a true Indie. When I speak about Texas in regards to being an Independent, I am talking strictly about football and the title Independent that is an acceptable designation in football. Notre Dame is still considered one of the Independent schools despite it's schedule contract with the ACC AND Notre Dame's full membership in all other sports.

I looked it up a few years ago when the Pac was 10 and the B1G was 11. As I recall, the Arizona schools were closer to Austin than only Penn St. from the Big 10. The other 8 were further than all of the Big 10 schools.

Texas will never be Notre Dame. If Texas is able to strike a "Notre Dame" deal then Alabama/Ohio State/USC would be able to do the same.

Those teams can't and neither can Texas.

Just because the floor falls out around you doesn't mean your standing on higher ground.

(02-17-2015 12:38 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  No conference has shown long term stability over 15 teams. Think about that for a moment.

Apples and Oranges. Shared T3 rights, equal payouts, and functioning as an economic unit was not around the last time 15 plus conferences were tried. What we have now is a different animal altogether.

I'm not going to lie, I did not read all 21 pages of this thread. But I can only imagine that it has been a lot of the same talk about Big XII expansion and why Texas won't leave for various conferences.

Let me try to pose it a new way:

Which of the following is the best choice in a hypothetical world where one of the choices MUST be selected?

a) move to the PAC with another Big XII school
b) move to the SEC with another Big XII school
c) move to the B1G with another Big XII school
d) move to the ACC with the same deal that Notre Dame got

Which one would be best in a "must move" situation for Texas?

(02-17-2015 05:20 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-17-2015 02:57 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-17-2015 12:21 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 06:49 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 03:59 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  No. He said they would go indie in football with a deal similiar to Notre Dame in the ACC

No way will the Big12 let Texas go Indy in football and leave their other sports in the Big12. So I ask again.............. if Texas goes Indy in football .........where do the basketball, baseball and other sports programs go?

I have asked this question several time to those who say Texas will go Indy and no one has ever provided a reasonable answer.

Uh, yes the person you quoted was correct. Just as all of Notre Dame's sports besides football are part of the ACC, the same would be the case for Texas. I don't know why you are confused with that.

Going Indie and a partial in the ACC is two different things. However, Texas has said it prefers its olympic sports teams to not have to travel across half of the United States. UT would be isloated on an island in the ACC. That is no problen for football, but I do not believe Texas will accept that for its other sports. They said that when they worked hard to save the Big12.

So in my mind if the football program goes Indie with a schedule alliance with the ACC.....then they would have to find a new home for their other sports.

Most folks seem to not quite comprehend just how much mileage there is out West. The distance isn't closer in the PAC and it also has the negative aspect of the two hour time difference. That is tough when you lose two hours coming home.

If Texas goes partial football contract with the ACC, they only get that if they agree to join the ACC in all other sports.

In regards to my terminology, I have never stated Texas as a true Indie. When I speak about Texas in regards to being an Independent, I am talking strictly about football and the title Independent that is an acceptable designation in football. Notre Dame is still considered one of the Independent schools despite it's schedule contract with the ACC AND Notre Dame's full membership in all other sports.

I looked it up a few years ago when the Pac was 10 and the B1G was 11. As I recall, the Arizona schools were closer to Austin than only Penn St. from the Big 10. The other 8 were further than all of the Big 10 schools.

You got it. Now from the ACC it is pretty much similar except for the New England area, including Syracuse. The difference between a PAC conference schedule and an ACC six game schedule is that Texas will have to do a whole lot more of the long distance PAC trips with the full schedule than they will with the partial ACC schedule which is only 3 away games a year.

Yet another reason why a partial with the ACC is so much more amiable to Texas than a full membership with the PAC.

(02-17-2015 06:03 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Texas will never be Notre Dame. If Texas is able to strike a "Notre Dame" deal then Alabama/Ohio State/USC would be able to do the same.

Those teams can't and neither can Texas.

Just because the floor falls out around you doesn't mean your standing on higher ground.

Texas brings something very big to the table that Notre Dame does not. Actually Texas brings a whole lot more to the ACC than Notre Dame does. Notre Dame pretty much just brings it's name and pertinent viewers. Texas brings more.

(02-17-2015 06:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-17-2015 12:38 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  No conference has shown long term stability over 15 teams. Think about that for a moment.

Apples and Oranges. Shared T3 rights, equal payouts, and functioning as an economic unit was not around the last time 15 plus conferences were tried. What we have now is a different animal altogether.

Yeah, it is an amusing argument people like to make despite the fact that it makes no sense.

It is someone claiming that the likes of The Big Ten, The PAC and The SEC are as instable at 16 as the WAC was.

In terms of the Southern conference, I actually think that does bear some relevance to the situation but only in a very limited way. That would be in reference to relations between the schools that all made it up before but now find themselves in different conferences. I don't think that they all would care to reform the Southern conference.

You are right though JR. The past does not mean the same would happen again. The situations are immensely different.

Through terms of the LHN agreement, Texas can only go to Conferences in which ESPN holds the complete rights too. Thus Texas can only go to the ACC, SEC or go Independent. Just so you know.

(02-17-2015 07:36 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  Through terms of the LHN agreement, Texas can only go to Conferences in which ESPN holds the complete rights too. Thus Texas can only go to the ACC, SEC or go Independent. Just so you know.

And only one of those two conferences currently doesn't have a Network of it's own that would keep Texas from maintaining their own Network if they were to join.

I think the final destination is as LSU Chancellor Michael Martin puts it, "one called ESPN and the one called Fox".

The real bidding war will be to carve up the remains of the Big 12.

C-ESPN: SEC (14); ACC (15); BYU (1); Texas (1); Boise State, Colorado State, San Diego State, UNLV, Fresno State (5)
West - BYU, Colorado State, Boise State, UNLV, San Diego State, Fresno State
South - Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Florida State, Georgia Tech
East - Notre Dame, Virginia, Miami (FL), Boston College, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
North - Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Missouri, Virginia Tech, Louisville
Central - Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State
Atlantic - South Carolina, Clemson, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Duke, Wake Forest

C-FOX: Pac 12 (12); Big 10 (14); Big 12 except for Texas (9); UCF (1)

Northwest - Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, California
Southwest - Arizona, Arizona State, UCLA, Southern California, Colorado, Utah
South - Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, UCF, Baylor, TCU
Central - Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa, Iowa State, Nebraska, Minnesota
North - Wisconsin, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern
East - West Virginia, Michigan, Rutgers, Penn State, Maryland, Ohio State

I think ESPN will be content to let the Pac 12 walk once it locks up Texas, as it can get into all of the key western markets with what will basically be the BYU Division. Fox will have to get in to Florida to satisfy teams' recruiting purposes. so it may be pssible someone like West Virginia goes to the ESPN side and opens up a spot for a team like USF.

At 36 teams each this could be set up as a four-round playoff (3 rounds in conference followed by the national championship), and each conference gets six divisions with two wildcards.

(02-17-2015 08:19 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I think the final destination is as LSU Chancellor Michael Martin puts it, "one called ESPN and the one called Fox".

The real bidding war will be to carve up the remains of the Big 12.

C-ESPN: SEC (14); ACC (15); BYU (1); Texas (1); Boise State, Colorado State, San Diego State, UNLV, Fresno State (5)
West - BYU, Colorado State, Boise State, UNLV, San Diego State, Fresno State
South - Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Florida State, Georgia Tech
East - Notre Dame, Virginia, Miami (FL), Boston College, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
North - Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Missouri, Virginia Tech, Louisville
Central - Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State
Atlantic - South Carolina, Clemson, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Duke, Wake Forest

C-FOX: Pac 12 (12); Big 10 (14); Big 12 except for Texas (9); UCF (1)

Northwest - Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, California
Southwest - Arizona, Arizona State, UCLA, Southern California, Colorado, Utah
South - Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, UCF, Baylor, TCU
Central - Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa, Iowa State, Nebraska, Minnesota
North - Wisconsin, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern
East - West Virginia, Michigan, Rutgers, Penn State, Maryland, Ohio State

I think ESPN will be content to let the Pac 12 walk once it locks up Texas, as it can get into all of the key western markets with what will basically be the BYU Division. Fox will have to get in to Florida to satisfy teams' recruiting purposes. so it may be pssible someone like West Virginia goes to the ESPN side and opens up a spot for a team like USF.

At 36 teams each this could be set up as a four-round playoff (3 rounds in conference followed by the national championship), and each conference gets six divisions with two wildcards.

I want some of what you're smoking. That's some serious ganja there bro.

(02-17-2015 02:29 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(02-17-2015 02:22 AM)33laszlo99 Wrote:  http://www.americanpress.com/TV-network-...unny-money

This report, detailing the per-school payout for the SEC teams, answers a lot of questions about realignment. Forty nine million dollars per school, per year! No Big XII school can carry its own weight in the SEC. TAMU killed that possibilty for Texas, and the other schools just don't have enough cable boxes. The only path for growth available to the SEC lies in the states of Virginia and North Carolina. Any other new member would almost certainly cause a step backward in per-school payout. I'm not sure if Notre Dame could even clear the $49 million hurdle.
The B1G also covets UVA and UNC. I believe adding TX and OK, for them would signal a surrender to the SEC. I anticipate that they will wait... and wait for an opportunity to add those two programs (UVA and UNC) to reach sixteen.
I've said before that the Big XII should add teams from California: San Diego State and San Jose State, just to grab those huge, affluent cable markets. They can either take the Big XII to the West Coaast, or allow the West Coast (Pac 12) to cherry pick them. Either way, I think the future of the conference includes the somewhat uncomfortable commute to California. This conference needs a cable channel and a few million California cable boxes to survive, regardless of what TX decides to do.

It's not arbitrary locations that matter. It's fans.

The article also assumes that every individual in the SEC footprint has cable. That's erroneous. Not every household, let alone every individual. It also ignores costs of running the channel and costs of buying back content. The real number is probably about 15% of what they say it is. (assuming that everyone pays $1.30/month and the average house consists of 4 people, and there's 60% coverage, then it would be 15% - assuming that advertising covers operating costs and the costs associated with buying back content, which it won't)

In the end, the SEC will get about $7.5-10 (closer to $7.5) million/school, plus the $18 or so million per team that the conference is currently making, and end up making about $26 million/school/year (less the costs of buying back the content shown on the SECN). Texas currently makes something like $30-35 million (closer to $30 million).

So yes, Texas would pay its way, as would ND (not that they're Big XII), KU, OU, and a handful of other schools.

The playoff argues against expansion. The $ don't go up with more schools, it just gets split more ways. Going from 14 to 16 knocks about a million per school off your take.

(02-17-2015 07:35 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-17-2015 06:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-17-2015 12:38 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  No conference has shown long term stability over 15 teams. Think about that for a moment.

Apples and Oranges. Shared T3 rights, equal payouts, and functioning as an economic unit was not around the last time 15 plus conferences were tried. What we have now is a different animal altogether.

Yeah, it is an amusing argument people like to make despite the fact that it makes no sense.

It is someone claiming that the likes of The Big Ten, The PAC and The SEC are as instable at 16 as the WAC was.

In terms of the Southern conference, I actually think that does bear some relevance to the situation but only in a very limited way. That would be in reference to relations between the schools that all made it up before but now find themselves in different conferences. I don't think that they all would care to reform the Southern conference.

You are right though JR. The past does not mean the same would happen again. The situations are immensely different.

But here is what is similar:
The larger you go the fewer ties you have to the other members and
the more difference you have between the school's goals and resources.

One thing that has made the B1G and SEC successful is that the schools were overwhelmingly very similar. Its only in the last 20 years or so that the growth of Georgia & Florida has caused some differences between them and the other old SEC schools. And the dramatic increases in skyboxes and ticket prices have widened the sports financial gap between an Alabama and a Mississippi St. When you get bigger you increase those differences and loosen the old ties because you don't play the other schools as often.

Its not just conferences like the MVC, Southern, Southern again, MVC again, WAC, Big East, CUSA, and Big East again (along with several Division II conferences like the Pacific West and Lone Star) that have broken up. The CFA TV alliance broke up. The Big 10/Pac 10 TV alliance broke up. Keeping universities together is kind of like herding cats. The more you have, the less likely any of them stay together. Maybe in 80 years or so they get back together (look at the similarity of the charter members of SWC and the Big 12 South), but in the meantime....