(02-13-2015 02:49 PM)gotigers1 Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 02:16 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 01:00 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  Get back to after two months

Is that when your invite comes?

Yes, it will happen on 4/1

Can't. That's a Wednesday.

(02-13-2015 02:49 PM)gotigers1 Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 02:16 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 01:00 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  Get back to after two months

Is that when your invite comes?

Yes, it will happen on 4/1

Lolz

(02-13-2015 09:42 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Looking into my crystal ball...

I see the B1G, ACC, B12 & Sun Belt working together to deregulate conference championship games. The B1G and ACC are in it because of rivalry preservation that can only happen if divisions are nixed. The B12 and Sun Belt are in it because they want title games without 12 members. Together, they get it done...

...and because of that, there is no expansion among the autonomy 5.

I see C-USA sitting with 13 members for a few years while UAB sorts things out. 10 years from now I suppose they could be back in a 14-team C-USA.

I see the Sun Belt trying to lure JMU while Liberty screams 'Me! Me! Me!', but still with the same 11 teams a decade from now.

Perhaps UMass has a football scheduling agreement with C-USA or the Belt or both in exchange for some basketball home-and-homes.

The Mountain West and the American both still sit at 12 football/11 basketball, and have formed a closer relationship with a few bowl meetings and a basketball challenge. The two conferences are knocking at the A5 door on the field/court, but are still trailing by a significant margin financially. They don't offer their athletes all the bells and whistles the A5 do, but they do offer more than the other 3 outsiders.

BYU is playing mostly American, MW and ACC teams and remains independent in football.

Notre Dame and Army are also still independent in football.

The NCAA tournament has expanded to 96 teams, and the American gets 5-6 teams in most seasons. East Carolina FINALLY stops playing D2 teams and have built the top non-ACC program in state of North Carolina.

Right or wrong, you put a lot of thought into that Chappy and none of your comments are totally off target.

(02-13-2015 03:08 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 02:49 PM)gotigers1 Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 02:16 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 01:00 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  Get back to after two months

Is that when your invite comes?

Yes, it will happen on 4/1

Can't. That's a Wednesday.

It's April Fools day lol

PAC 12 finally gets OU / TX / OSU / Tex Tech and go to 16.

The B1G snags Kansas and decides to let UConn come along for the ride to go to 16.

This leaves West Virginia, Iowa St, Kansas St, Baylor and TCU.

Since the SEC is already in Texas, they stand pat at 14 wishfully waiting for UNC / Virginia to jump off the ACC train (which will never happen).

Notre Dame independence is alive and kicking (like a bronco), so the ACC has no choice but to remain at 14 + 1

This leaves a spot open in the AAC (11 teams) with the loss of UConn and the leftovers from the Big 12 (5 teams).

The new Big 16 conference forms (since the Big 12 has the rights to the name) and it ends up looking like this.

East
Temple
Cincinnati
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida
Memphis
Navy
West Virginia

West
Iowa State
Kansas State
Baylor
Southern Methodist
Houston
Tulane
Tulsa
Texas Christian

I believe this conference would be viewed as a "Power" conference. No current or future team from the AAC gets left out. This conference is easily in the $10-15 mil range IMHO.

(02-13-2015 03:08 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 02:49 PM)gotigers1 Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 02:16 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 01:00 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  Get back to after two months

Is that when your invite comes?

Yes, it will happen on 4/1

Can't. That's a Wednesday.

Yeah but we already used our Tuesday on the Big East invite see

(02-13-2015 02:00 PM)YNot Wrote:  Over the next four seasons, the American will go toe-to-toe with Boise St. for the G5 Access Bowl bid. The American will get it twice and Boise St. will get it twice. Each year, the Selection Committee waffles on who is ranked higher with each release of the CFP rankings and inexplicably propels one over the other in the final rankings.

American basketball grabs 4 or 5 NCAA tourney bids each season, with consistent Sweet 16 representation by UConn, Cincinnati, Memphis, Tulsa, and/or SMU, and surprising Final Four runs by both Temple and Houston in the 2017 tournament.

As Aresco enters TV deal extension negotiations following the 2018 season, he courts Boise St. and San Diego State again. As talks heat up, BYU and Colorado St. are also part of the expansion discussion and talks elevate to full-membership expansion.

In desperation, MWC commissioner Craig Thompson pleads with Aresco for a deal that includes strong MWC-American regular season scheduling and bowl affiliations and an American-MWC championship game - essentially for the G5 Access Bowl bid. Reports are made that it is a done deal.

UConn and Cincinnati publicly threaten to defect to the Big East with the intention to enter into a scheduling affiliation with the MAC as a temporary program-sustaining option. Also, reports surface that Thompson was adamant that a new jointly-owned "Mountain America" channel was crucial to the deal and that all major decisions should be run through a joint headquarters in either Laramie or Logan. (After talks fizzle, Thompson labels the proposed new TV channel as a "no brainer" and retorts that Aresco could "take his pick" of the proposed joint headquarters location).

Ultimately, the announcement is made that the American adds a 6-team western division and a scheduling affiliation with Army. The new western division includes Boise St., BYU, Colorado St., San Diego St., UNLV, and Air Force. The Commander-in-Chief Trophy is essentially brought in-house and, along with the new western division, nets a 7-year TV deal with ESPN and CBS worth $18 million per school per year, starting with the 2020 football season. (Navy gets $15 mil per year as a football only member and Army gets $10 mil as part of the scheduling arrangement).

The deal guarantees a weekly American "game of the week broadcast" on ABC or CBS (alternating) as well as weekly Saturday broadcasts on both ESPN and ESPN2, and ESPN broadcasts on Thursday and Friday nights. It also provides for TWO weekly men's basketball games in January through March each year on ABC and CBS broadcast stations (alternating), the American tournament championship game on ABC or CBS (again, alternating), and over 120 men's basketball games on ESPN and ESPN2 throughout the season.

The deregulation of conference championships, that commenced in 2017, allows the American to establish a football conference championship tournament that includes the winners of the Eastern, Central, Western, and Armed Forces divisions, with the semi-final round hosted at the higher ranked teams' home fields. The football championship game venue rotates around the country. Although the CFP selection criteria are not revised, the G5 Access Bowl bid becomes known colloquially as the "American's NY6 berth."

In 2025, the American signs a deal with the Fiesta Bowl to send its annual champion to the game (a la the renewed relationships with Rose, Sugar, and Orange Bowls). To support its move, the Fiesta Bowl cites the fact that 9 out of the previous 10 bowl seasons it had hosted a team that is now a member of the American conference with tremendous attendance and TV ratings. Thus, the American is officially signed as part of the NY6 bowl system. In renewing it's rights to broadcast the new 8-team CFP, a clause is added that allows the Peach and Cotton Bowls to host the American champion, with the conference's permission.

This would be amazing.

I think the per team payout is very high and probably not feasible but all things considered there's really no reason the rest can't coalesce in 10 years.

I've been a huge proponent of the pod system semifinals. With a truely American conference consisting of:

WEST
• Air Force
• Boise State
• BYU
• Colorado State
• UNLV
• San Diego State
  

CENTRAL
• Cincinnati
• Memphis
• Houston
• SMU
• Tulsa
• Tulane
  

EAST
• Army
• UCF
• UConn
• ECU
• Navy
• Temple
• South Florida
  

Only issue is we now have 19 members. We should add 1 more and split to 4 divisions of 5

If I understand this correctly, you'd have 5 intradivision games + 4 interdivision (2 from each other division) a 4 team semifinal (3 division champions + At Large?) playing for what is essentially a guaranteed NYE6 bowl?

I could die happy with this arrangement.

(02-13-2015 06:20 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

WEST
• Air Force
• Boise State
• BYU
• Colorado State
• UNLV
• San Diego State
• Fresno State
  

CENTRAL
• Cincinnati
• Memphis
• Houston
• SMU
• Tulsa
• Tulane
• North Texas, UTSA, or Texas State
  

EAST
• Army
• UCF
• UConn
• ECU
• Navy
• Temple
• South Florida
  

I adjusted your list ... 3 divisions of 7.

(02-13-2015 06:20 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  This would be amazing.

I think the per team payout is very high and probably not feasible but all things considered there's really no reason the rest can't coalesce in 10 years.

I've been a huge proponent of the pod system semifinals.

...

Only issue is we now have 19 members. We should add 1 more and split to 4 divisions of 5

If I understand this correctly, you'd have 5 intradivision games + 4 interdivision (2 from each other division) a 4 team semifinal (3 division champions + At Large?) playing for what is essentially a guaranteed NYE6 bowl?

I could die happy with this arrangement.

$18 million by 2020 shouldn't be too far off. Although, the B1G and SEC will probably be closer to $40 million per school by then.

I honestly like these divisions with 19 teams:

WEST
• Boise State
• BYU
• Colorado State
• UNLV
• San Diego State
  

CENTRAL
• Memphis
• Houston
• SMU
• Tulsa
• Tulane
  

EAST
• Cincinnati
• UCF
• UConn
• ECU
• Temple
• South Florida
  

ARMED FORCES
• Air Force
• Army
• Navy
  

8-game conference schedule, 3-game conference championship with the 4 division winners.

You simply add the new schools into the western division and re-align Navy with the other Academies.

You then align each of the Academies with a division for scheduling purposes, but the Academies compete for the Commander-In-Chief Trophy and a bid to the conference championship. AF with the West, Navy to the Central (as in 2015), and Army to the East works well.

Some won't like it, but it ensures that one of the Academies is at least playing in the conference semi-finals. This helps to increase national interest in the conference championship.

Schedule

Air Force plays: Army and Navy, 4 teams (out of 5) from the West division, 1 Central, 1 East
Navy plays: AF and Army, 4 (out of 5) from the Central, 1 West, 1 East
Army plays: AF and Navy, 4 (out of 6) from East, 1 West, 1 Central

West: each other (x4), AF in 4 of 5 years, 3/4 games v. Central/East (Army/Navy too)
Central: each other (x4), Navy in 4 of 5 years, 3/4 games v. East/West (Army/AF too)
East: each other (x5), Army in 4 of 6 years, 3/4 games v. West/Central (Navy/AF too)

With this system, you develop rivalries within each regional division and end up playing every other team about once every 3 or 4 years. You could play each other more often with the 9-game conference schedule, but that ensures more losses for the conference and limits who you can play OOC, especially in the years where you have 5 conference road games.

(02-13-2015 07:24 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 06:20 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  This would be amazing.

I think the per team payout is very high and probably not feasible but all things considered there's really no reason the rest can't coalesce in 10 years.

I've been a huge proponent of the pod system semifinals.

...

Only issue is we now have 19 members. We should add 1 more and split to 4 divisions of 5

If I understand this correctly, you'd have 5 intradivision games + 4 interdivision (2 from each other division) a 4 team semifinal (3 division champions + At Large?) playing for what is essentially a guaranteed NYE6 bowl?

I could die happy with this arrangement.

$18 million by 2020 shouldn't be too far off. Although, the B1G and SEC will probably be closer to $40 million per school by then.

I honestly like these divisions with 19 teams:

WEST
• Boise State
• BYU
• Colorado State
• UNLV
• San Diego State
  

CENTRAL
• Memphis
• Houston
• SMU
• Tulsa
• Tulane
  

EAST
• Cincinnati
• UCF
• UConn
• ECU
• Temple
• South Florida
  

ARMED FORCES
• Air Force
• Army
• Navy
  

8-game conference schedule, 3-game conference championship with the 4 division winners.

You simply add the new schools into the western division and re-align Navy with the other Academies.

You then align each of the Academies with a division for scheduling purposes, but the Academies compete for the Commander-In-Chief Trophy and a bid to the conference championship. AF with the West, Navy to the Central (as in 2015), and Army to the East works well.

Some won't like it, but it ensures that one of the Academies is at least playing in the conference semi-finals. This helps to increase national interest in the conference championship.

Schedule

Air Force plays: Army and Navy, 4 teams (out of 5) from the West division, 1 Central, 1 East
Navy plays: AF and Army, 4 (out of 5) from the Central, 1 West, 1 East
Army plays: AF and Navy, 4 (out of 6) from East, 1 West, 1 Central

West: each other (x4), AF in 4 of 5 years, 3/4 games v. Central/East (Army/Navy too)
Central: each other (x4), Navy in 4 of 5 years, 3/4 games v. East/West (Army/AF too)
East: each other (x5), Army in 4 of 6 years, 3/4 games v. West/Central (Navy/AF too)

With this system, you develop rivalries within each regional division and end up playing every other team about once every 3 or 4 years. You could play each other more often with the 9-game conference schedule, but that ensures more losses for the conference and limits who you can play OOC, especially in the years where you have 5 conference road games.

I think it might be easier to do everything you say, but drop either UNLV or Colorado State, then move Tulsa to the west, then Cinci to Central. 3 Divisions of 5 + the Academies.

(02-13-2015 07:36 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  I think it might be easier to do everything you say, but drop either UNLV or Colorado State, then move Tulsa to the west, then Cinci to Central. 3 Divisions of 5 + the Academies.

I'm pretty sure Cincinnati wants in the East and wouldn't go for it otherwise.

Also, Colorado St. helps sell the idea for Air Force. AFA needs nearby schools for Olympic sports.

So, drop UNLV and move Tulsa to the West. Would Tulsa be a West misfit though?

I agree that three 5-team divisions plus the Armed Forces division works more smoothly from a scheduling and competitive standpoint.

The other idea is to leave Navy in the Central as is, include Air Force in the West, and just have scheduling agreement with Army. That's 3 divisions of 6 = 18 members.

You can still have the Commander-In-Chief as part of the American's TV deal because Navy and AFA are members and Army is an affiliate.

Scheduling would be easy - just account for the annual Navy-AFA game. Then, the 4-team championship tourney could be the three division winners plus a wild card.

(02-13-2015 07:40 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 07:36 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  I think it might be easier to do everything you say, but drop either UNLV or Colorado State, then move Tulsa to the west, then Cinci to Central. 3 Divisions of 5 + the Academies.

I'm pretty sure Cincinnati wants in the East and wouldn't go for it otherwise.

Also, Colorado St. helps sell the idea for Air Force. AFA needs nearby schools for Olympic sports.

So, drop UNLV and move Tulsa to the West. Would Tulsa be a West misfit though?

I agree that three 5-team divisions plus the Armed Forces division works more smoothly from a scheduling and competitive standpoint.

If that's the case, ya keep Colo State for AFA, but drop either UNLV or SDSU. I'd prefer to have SDSU based on prior history, but if the multipurpose center for UNLV goes through by then, it might be better to nab them.

If we have an arrangement teams like this, I think Cinci might be SOL.

The AAC will be in good shape, still the #6 FB conference but with a better TV contract.

UConn? We'll probably still be in the AAC and doing ok. If we can keep the BB program strong and become respectable in FB (selling out our 40,000 seat stadium again), there may be a 2% chance that the Big 10 takes UConn & Kansas to compete better with the ACC in BB.

With all of the negative attention FB gets from concussions, success in BB may become more valued in the future.

One things for sure, we could be in much worse situations than maintaining our current lineup for 10 years. I think we can only get stronger from here on out.

(02-13-2015 07:24 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 06:20 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  This would be amazing.

I think the per team payout is very high and probably not feasible but all things considered there's really no reason the rest can't coalesce in 10 years.

I've been a huge proponent of the pod system semifinals.

...

Only issue is we now have 19 members. We should add 1 more and split to 4 divisions of 5

If I understand this correctly, you'd have 5 intradivision games + 4 interdivision (2 from each other division) a 4 team semifinal (3 division champions + At Large?) playing for what is essentially a guaranteed NYE6 bowl?

I could die happy with this arrangement.

$18 million by 2020 shouldn't be too far off. Although, the B1G and SEC will probably be closer to $40 million per school by then.

I honestly like these divisions with 19 teams:

WEST
• Boise State
• BYU
• Colorado State
• UNLV
• San Diego State
  

CENTRAL
• Memphis
• Houston
• SMU
• Tulsa
• Tulane
  

EAST
• Cincinnati
• UCF
• UConn
• ECU
• Temple
• South Florida
  

ARMED FORCES
• Air Force
• Army
• Navy
  

8-game conference schedule, 3-game conference championship with the 4 division winners.

You simply add the new schools into the western division and re-align Navy with the other Academies.

You then align each of the Academies with a division for scheduling purposes, but the Academies compete for the Commander-In-Chief Trophy and a bid to the conference championship. AF with the West, Navy to the Central (as in 2015), and Army to the East works well.

Some won't like it, but it ensures that one of the Academies is at least playing in the conference semi-finals. This helps to increase national interest in the conference championship.

Schedule

Air Force plays: Army and Navy, 4 teams (out of 5) from the West division, 1 Central, 1 East
Navy plays: AF and Army, 4 (out of 5) from the Central, 1 West, 1 East
Army plays: AF and Navy, 4 (out of 6) from East, 1 West, 1 Central

West: each other (x4), AF in 4 of 5 years, 3/4 games v. Central/East (Army/Navy too)
Central: each other (x4), Navy in 4 of 5 years, 3/4 games v. East/West (Army/AF too)
East: each other (x5), Army in 4 of 6 years, 3/4 games v. West/Central (Navy/AF too)

With this system, you develop rivalries within each regional division and end up playing every other team about once every 3 or 4 years. You could play each other more often with the 9-game conference schedule, but that ensures more losses for the conference and limits who you can play OOC, especially in the years where you have 5 conference road games.

I think 20 mill would be plenty to keep us going and upgrade facilities. Then it's just a matter of championship access.

I see this conference being the same minus 2 schools.....and I'm praying that ECU is one of the 2 who got the call up, though I suspect that like the other 10 remaining schools ECU will be right where we are.

(02-13-2015 04:09 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  PAC 12 finally gets OU / TX / OSU / Tex Tech and go to 16.

The B1G snags Kansas and decides to let UConn come along for the ride to go to 16.

This leaves West Virginia, Iowa St, Kansas St, Baylor and TCU.

Since the SEC is already in Texas, they stand pat at 14 wishfully waiting for UNC / Virginia to jump off the ACC train (which will never happen).

Notre Dame independence is alive and kicking (like a bronco), so the ACC has no choice but to remain at 14 + 1

This leaves a spot open in the AAC (11 teams) with the loss of UConn and the leftovers from the Big 12 (5 teams).

The new Big 16 conference forms (since the Big 12 has the rights to the name) and it ends up looking like this.

East
Temple
Cincinnati
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida
Memphis
Navy
West Virginia

West
Iowa State
Kansas State
Baylor
Southern Methodist
Houston
Tulane
Tulsa
Texas Christian

I believe this conference would be viewed as a "Power" conference. No current or future team from the AAC gets left out. This conference is easily in the $10-15 mil range IMHO.

Doubt the remaining big 12 schools would ever be in the same league as a few of the schools you mentioned, and I'd bet anything that a majority of the AAC schools do "get left out"

(02-13-2015 02:00 PM)YNot Wrote:  Over the next four seasons, the American will go toe-to-toe with Boise St. for the G5 Access Bowl bid. The American will get it twice and Boise St. will get it twice. Each year, the Selection Committee waffles on who is ranked higher with each release of the CFP rankings and inexplicably propels one over the other in the final rankings.

American basketball grabs 4 or 5 NCAA tourney bids each season, with consistent Sweet 16 representation by UConn, Cincinnati, Memphis, Tulsa, and/or SMU, and surprising Final Four runs by both Temple and Houston in the 2017 tournament.

As Aresco enters TV deal extension negotiations following the 2018 season, he courts Boise St. and San Diego State again. As talks heat up, BYU and Colorado St. are also part of the expansion discussion and talks elevate to full-membership expansion.

In desperation, MWC commissioner Craig Thompson pleads with Aresco for a deal that includes strong MWC-American regular season scheduling and bowl affiliations and an American-MWC championship game - essentially for the G5 Access Bowl bid. Reports are made that it is a done deal.

UConn and Cincinnati publicly threaten to defect to the Big East with the intention to enter into a scheduling affiliation with the MAC as a temporary program-sustaining option. Also, reports surface that Thompson was adamant that a new jointly-owned "Mountain America" channel was crucial to the deal and that all major decisions should be run through a joint headquarters in either Laramie or Logan. (After talks fizzle, Thompson labels the proposed new TV channel as a "no brainer" and retorts that Aresco could "take his pick" of the proposed joint headquarters location).

Ultimately, the announcement is made that the American adds a 6-team western division and a scheduling affiliation with Army. The new western division includes Boise St., BYU, Colorado St., San Diego St., UNLV, and Air Force. The Commander-in-Chief Trophy is essentially brought in-house and, along with the new western division, nets a 7-year TV deal with ESPN and CBS worth $18 million per school per year, starting with the 2020 football season. (Navy gets $15 mil per year as a football only member and Army gets $10 mil as part of the scheduling arrangement).

The deal guarantees a weekly American "game of the week broadcast" on ABC or CBS (alternating) as well as weekly Saturday broadcasts on both ESPN and ESPN2, and ESPN broadcasts on Thursday and Friday nights. It also provides for TWO weekly men's basketball games in January through March each year on ABC and CBS broadcast stations (alternating), the American tournament championship game on ABC or CBS (again, alternating), and over 120 men's basketball games on ESPN and ESPN2 throughout the season.

The deregulation of conference championships, that commenced in 2017, allows the American to establish a football conference championship tournament that includes the winners of the Eastern, Central, Western, and Armed Forces divisions, with the semi-final round hosted at the higher ranked teams' home fields. The football championship game venue rotates around the country. Although the CFP selection criteria are not revised, the G5 Access Bowl bid becomes known colloquially as the "American's NY6 berth."

In 2025, the American signs a deal with the Fiesta Bowl to send its annual champion to the game (a la the renewed relationships with Rose, Sugar, and Orange Bowls). To support its move, the Fiesta Bowl cites the fact that 9 out of the previous 10 bowl seasons it had hosted a team that is now a member of the American conference with tremendous attendance and TV ratings. Thus, the American is officially signed as part of the NY6 bowl system. In renewing it's rights to broadcast the new 8-team CFP, a clause is added that allows the Peach and Cotton Bowls to host the American champion, with the conference's permission.

That's a heck of a prediction. Give you points for the time you spent putting it together, but it's extremely wishful thinking

Big 12 gets denied the championship waiver and expands first with Cincinnati. They narrow it down to UCF and Memphis for the 12th spot. They go with UCF because they want into Florida.
Notre Dame joins the ACC as a full member. UConn gets the 16th and final spot.

The Mountain West comes and picks up Houston, SMU, and Tulsa. They also take UTEP from Conference USA. Hawaii leaves the Mountain West to go independent, but signs a 6 game scheduling agreement. BYU leaves independence to rejoin the Mountain West as the 16th member.

The American also loses Navy back to independence. They pick up Marshall, Southern Miss, and Rice from C-USA and UMass. C-USA back fills with Louisiana, Arkansas State, and Texas State to retain a conference championship game.

The Sun Belt adds New Mexico State as a full member. Liberty and James Madison also join the Sun Belt. Idaho is kicked out and drops to FCS.