The second one is hilarious.

The 2013 Syrian rebels and the current ISIS aren't the exact same thing as far I've what I remember hearing.

Quote:It is true that ISIS opposes Bashar al-Assad's government in Syria, and the two constantly fight one another in Syria. But calling ISIS a "Syrian rebel group" misses two critical facts about ISIS. First, it's a transnational organization, not rooted in any one country, with lots of fighters who come from outside the country and are motivated by global jihadist aims as well as the Syrian war specifically. Second, Assad and ISIS are not-so-secretly helping each other out in some crucial ways, even as they fight. ISIS and Assad are frenemies, not full-on opponents.

Myth #4: ISIS is a Syrian rebel group

(02-12-2015 03:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The 2013 Syrian rebels and the current ISIS aren't the exact same thing as far I've what I remember hearing.

It's hard to tell these days. I wouldn't be surprised if Assad loyalist and Syrian rebels were one day fighting together against ISIS and the next day fighting each other.

Bush is wasting everyone's time, effort and money. There is no way he makes it half way through the primaries

I won't vote for Jeb. Period. I'd vote for Clinton or Elizabeth Warren first.

(02-12-2015 03:35 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

LOL. Good Stuff.

I'd vote Hillary over Jeb too.

(02-12-2015 03:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The 2013 Syrian rebels and the current ISIS aren't the exact same thing as far I've what I remember hearing.

They are, and they are not, simultaneously. I posted on another thread that Assad let out known terrorists/Salafists in order to radicalize the rebels, or at least to put a radical face on it. ISIS was al Qaeda in Iraq purchasing various Syrian rebel franchises and re-branding itself to free itself from international borders that it doesn't especially like. So, the claim is neither true nor myth nor false.

What really happened is that the Assad and al Qaeda in Iraq and various factions (Saudi and Qataris were crossing streams as well) were either competing or manipulating various tribes and other rebels for allegiance, and some groups would one day say they were with the SFA and the next week that they were with ISIS or al Qaeda. Whoever gave them monetary or other incentives would have purchased their allegiance.

Basically, the only force that really wanted a secular rebellion was the United States... Saudi pushed for Salafists, Qataris sided with the Muslim Brotherhood, al Qaeda and Assad both wanted them to go with al Qaeda in Iraq. ISIS was born from that mess and established both an advantage on the ground and the intimidation factor to win allegiance of those that were pushing for very similar things but with different benefactors, and the benefactors weren't offering enough to continue to oppose ISIS.

In the end, I wouldn't allow someone writing a dissertation to escape with their credibility if they claimed that ISIS was a home grown Syrian rebel group, but it's good enough for schtick on twitter. It was funny, but his bit on Bush was even better.

(02-12-2015 04:35 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(02-12-2015 03:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The 2013 Syrian rebels and the current ISIS aren't the exact same thing as far I've what I remember hearing.

They are, and they are not, simultaneously. I posted on another thread that Assad let out known terrorists/Salafists in order to radicalize the rebels, or at least to put a radical face on it. ISIS was al Qaeda in Iraq purchasing various Syrian rebel franchises and re-branding itself to free itself from international borders that it doesn't especially like. So, the claim is neither true nor myth nor false.

What really happened is that the Assad and al Qaeda in Iraq and various factions (Saudi and Qataris were crossing streams as well) were either competing or manipulating various tribes and other rebels for allegiance, and some groups would one day say they were with the SFA and the next week that they were with ISIS or al Qaeda. Whoever gave them monetary or other incentives would have purchased their allegiance.

Basically, the only force that really wanted a secular rebellion was the United States... Saudi pushed for Salafists, Qataris sided with the Muslim Brotherhood, al Qaeda and Assad both wanted them to go with al Qaeda in Iraq. ISIS was born from that mess and established both an advantage on the ground and the intimidation factor to win allegiance of those that were pushing for very similar things but with different benefactors, and the benefactors weren't offering enough to continue to oppose ISIS.

In the end, I wouldn't allow someone writing a dissertation to escape with their credibility if they claimed that ISIS was a home grown Syrian rebel group, but it's good enough for schtick on twitter. It was funny, but his bit on Bush was even better.

(02-12-2015 03:35 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

how this would surprise anyone is beyonce......ooopsy, "beyond me"

I love the internutz.....

(02-12-2015 03:51 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-12-2015 03:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The 2013 Syrian rebels and the current ISIS aren't the exact same thing as far I've what I remember hearing.

It's hard to tell these days. I wouldn't be surprised if Assad loyalist and Syrian rebels were one day fighting together against ISIS and the next day fighting each other.

that's why us old fkrs opt out for 'that blue thingy' with a wad of cash in reserve......

(02-12-2015 03:50 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Quote:It is true that ISIS opposes Bashar al-Assad's government in Syria, and the two constantly fight one another in Syria. But calling ISIS a "Syrian rebel group" misses two critical facts about ISIS. First, it's a transnational organization, not rooted in any one country, with lots of fighters who come from outside the country and are motivated by global jihadist aims as well as the Syrian war specifically. Second, Assad and ISIS are not-so-secretly helping each other out in some crucial ways, even as they fight. ISIS and Assad are frenemies, not full-on opponents.

Myth #4: ISIS is a Syrian rebel group

LOL. As usual, Tom uses a tiny technicality to try to completely dismiss something and protect his false ideals about Obama.

Quote:US air strikes in Syria are encouraging anti-regime fighters to forge alliances with or even defect to Islamic State (Isis), according to a series of interviews conducted by the Guardian.

Fighters from the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and Islamic military groups are joining forces with Isis, which has gained control of swaths of Syria and Iraq and has beheaded six western hostages in the past few months.

Some brigades have transferred their allegiance, while others are forming tactical alliances or truces.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/no...pport-isis

So many of the Syrian rebels we supported have either joined or are collaborating with ISIS in Syria, but hey, they have also been joined by people from other countries, so they're not Syrian, right?

You guys are in fine style tonight.....

All is well.

Thanks GTS.

(02-12-2015 11:58 PM)tigertom Wrote:  You guys are in fine style tonight.....

All is well.

Thanks GTS.

I like his posts too....

however, it's politics.....how can you take it seriously at this point?

If you do.???....I really don't want to know you.....