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RE: Awesome sign in the heavens right under mankinds nose and no one is looking
(11-08-2017 10:39 AM)Lush Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 11:47 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  The Bible says clearly that there is nothing in existence that He did not create. Hell was actually created for Satan and his angels, but those who reject Christ actually are following Satan and will also be cast into hell.

Hell is a temporary place though, much like a jail until the White Throne Judgment. (Isaiah 22:21-22) Those in hell will be brought out and judged before Christ and His saints. After that, both death and hell are cast into the lake of fire. As is everyone who's name is not wirtten in the book of Life. This is the second death. (Rev 20:10-15)

what does that mean? shouldn't he have judged them already by sentencing them to hell in the first place, what's with this lake of fire business? what happens in there? are they banished from eternity? this is all new to me

it seems like god would have avoided all this business if he just didn't create sin. isn't god breaking one of his commandments when he says thou shalt not covet? what's he care if i worship another deity. sorry lord, i'm that guys

not trolling. i'm always impressed how you can recall relevant verses



The lake of fire is the final eternal place the lost and wicked go, along with satan, the beast and all who follow him. Hell is a temporary place until judgment day. Judgement day does not happen until all the Saints who will ever be born are alive and redeemed by Christ. The Saints play a big role in judgement day, they all have to be there.

In 2017, if you are lost and reject Christ, then you are lost. You are no more lost than if you worship a fake/false god than if you are an atheist.

Christ said He alone is the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE. There is no other way to the Father than Him.

Quite simply you are being given a free choice. You can choose to follow Him or reject Him, He is not looking to create mindless robots, He wants children who willingly choose HIM over satan and the world.

There is a lot more I could say about why and what is promised to those who seek Him, but I think people tune out too much info at one time.
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RE: Awesome sign in the heavens right under mankinds nose and no one is looking
This is called the parable of the wheat and tares, and if you understand it then you will understand the answers to why sin exists and what is going on here big picture.

Matthew 13:24-30

24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared.

27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”
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Jesus' explanation of the parable:


Matthew 13:36-43

36 ..........And His disciples came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”


37 He answered and said to them:
He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man.
38 The field is the world,
the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom,
but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.
39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil,
the harvest is the end of the age,
and the reapers are the angels
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40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.

He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
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RE: Awesome sign in the heavens right under mankinds nose and no one is looking
(11-08-2017 01:35 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 10:39 AM)Lush Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 11:47 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  The Bible says clearly that there is nothing in existence that He did not create. Hell was actually created for Satan and his angels, but those who reject Christ actually are following Satan and will also be cast into hell.

Hell is a temporary place though, much like a jail until the White Throne Judgment. (Isaiah 22:21-22) Those in hell will be brought out and judged before Christ and His saints. After that, both death and hell are cast into the lake of fire. As is everyone who's name is not wirtten in the book of Life. This is the second death. (Rev 20:10-15)

what does that mean? shouldn't he have judged them already by sentencing them to hell in the first place, what's with this lake of fire business? what happens in there? are they banished from eternity? this is all new to me

it seems like god would have avoided all this business if he just didn't create sin. isn't god breaking one of his commandments when he says thou shalt not covet? what's he care if i worship another deity. sorry lord, i'm that guys

not trolling. i'm always impressed how you can recall relevant verses



The lake of fire is the final eternal place the lost and wicked go, along with satan, the beast and all who follow him. Hell is a temporary place until judgment day. Judgement day does not happen until all the Saints who will ever be born are alive and redeemed by Christ. The Saints play a big role in judgement day, they all have to be there.

In 2017, if you are lost and reject Christ, then you are lost. You are no more lost than if you worship a fake/false god than if you are an atheist.

Christ said He alone is the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE. There is no other way to the Father than Him.

Quite simply you are being given a free choice. You can choose to follow Him or reject Him, He is not looking to create mindless robots, He wants children who willingly choose HIM over satan and the world.

There is a lot more I could say about why and what is promised to those who seek Him, but I think people tune out too much info at one time.

i'm sure you've heard this many times, but being born in the western civilization predisposes you to believing christianity. what makes your god any better than any other? it doesn't take much for me to believe that there is a god. i don't need tales of miracles and superstition, parables, etc... god is the universe

i also wonder, if satan knew what was to be expected of turning on god, what was his purpose? that is, if he knew an eternal damnation was in store, why would he pursue down that road? god and satan are cohorts in cahoots. god needs satan just as much as satan needs god. as in everything else. the non duality
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RE: Awesome sign in the heavens right under mankinds nose and no one is looking
(11-12-2017 08:57 AM)Lush Wrote:  i'm sure you've heard this many times, but being born in the western civilization predisposes you to believing christianity. what makes your god any better than any other? it doesn't take much for me to believe that there is a god. i don't need tales of miracles and superstition, parables, etc... god is the universe

i also wonder, if satan knew what was to be expected of turning on god, what was his purpose? that is, if he knew an eternal damnation was in store, why would he pursue down that road? god and satan are cohorts in cahoots. god needs satan just as much as satan needs god. as in everything else. the non duality

Since we have a connection in our appreciation for music Lush, let me chime in for the good, faithful Brother, eric. As to your first question, it really comes down to your personal conviction in truth and faith as to what God you believe in (or no God at all). It's hard for me to put into words why I believe in the Christian God outside of what is contained in the Holy Bible because it is based on a personal relationship. The God-Christ I worship and follow is alive and is not some statue, ritual or based on someone else's claim. I have experienced His blessings, peace, answered prayers and eternal truths that is just hard to explain to someone else. I know you are an avid reader so if you are willing I would recommend a concise, interesting non-fiction read (170 pages) titled "More Than A Carpenter" by Josh McDowell/Sean McDowell. The basic premise is the author was a skeptic of Jesus Christ's claims that He is God and set out to disprove it through research of the facts in 1976. Over the course of his research, Josh ended up believing that Christ is God and His claims are real. Another book I have not read yet and recommended by my uncle is "Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus: A Devout Muslim Encounters Christianity" by Nabeel Qureshi. This one chronicles the journey of a passionate Muslim who comes to believe in and converts to Christianity. Either of these may give you a different perspective outside of the Holy Scriptures.

Regarding your second question, I don't have any evidence that Satan knew what he was getting into with his rebellion but choices can be made. Here on earth, people know murder is a crime with consequences but some do it anyway. The act of sin blinds hearts from the truth. God knew Satan would fall and sin would result from man because we are imperfect and that was part of God's plan. I also don't have any evidence but I'm not so sure Satan knows yet that he is eternally damned. God left him with powers for a time until, as eric cites above, the final judgment is rendered by Christ Jesus for all (fallen angels and human beings) that reject Christ as God. God uses Satan and sin for His purposes and not the other way around. It's all about our conviction to confess that we have to have Jesus Christ in our faith to overcome sin, death and final judgment. Christ had to die (as part man) for all sin for all time because the wages of sin is death. He paid the price for us so we can be redeemed and escape final judgment through Him. It's really rather direct and quite simple when it comes down to the brass tax so to speak. However, simply believing is not always that easy. That leads back to your first question...
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you're choosing jesus christ, etc.. as your savior because you don't want to spend an eternity in hell. why is the 'what if i'm wrong?' even a possible question to worry about? even though, i admit, the thought creeps into my head from time to time. why is man so special, of everything he created, only allowed at the pearly gates? is there a place in heaven for the rocks he created? etcetera.

would it be better if i stopped posing so many questions and turn them into sentences? it seems like i'm trying to convince you that you are wrong. i'm not sure if that's my intention. though, it is exciting to find you think you've stumbled upon a contradiction. of course, if you're not familiar with the particular religious text, it's probably wise to expect you need to channel your thoughts elsewhere. can we at least agree that god doesn't look like a human and we probably won't look like we look like now in what's after?
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(11-27-2017 11:33 AM)Lush Wrote:  you're choosing jesus christ, etc.. as your savior because you don't want to spend an eternity in hell. why is the 'what if i'm wrong?' even a possible question to worry about? even though, i admit, the thought creeps into my head from time to time. why is man so special, of everything he created, only allowed at the pearly gates? is there a place in heaven for the rocks he created? etcetera.

would it be better if i stopped posing so many questions and turn them into sentences? it seems like i'm trying to convince you that you are wrong. i'm not sure if that's my intention. though, it is exciting to find you think you've stumbled upon a contradiction. of course, if you're not familiar with the particular religious text, it's probably wise to expect you need to channel your thoughts elsewhere. can we at least agree that god doesn't look like a human and we probably won't look like we look like now in what's after?



Quite simply, we believe because of EVIDENCE and FACTS.

I don't believe in Christ because it sounds good or makes me feel better. I believe because I examined the evidence thoroughly because I wanted to know the truth, and not rely on the opinions of others.

The truth is I was a non-believer for 40 years. I came to a point in my life when I wanted to know if there was any real proof or evidence to believe in the bible, so I began to SERIOUSLY research it.

The bible is written specifically to PROVE its the Word of God to the reader, particularity to the end time believer like us. This is what separates Christianity and the Bible from all other religions, it PROVES itself. It does this by foretelling the entire future of Israel, Christ, and the church age, and the end times all long before Jesus was ever born. Sitting here in 2017 AD, over 2600 years after these things were written, the facts and evidence that have unfolded over the last 2000+ years (even into modern times) are undeniable, even from a secular point of view.

Other religions like Islam and others offer ZERO proof or tangible evidence of proof at all. They don't even try. They are based on 100% totally blind faith.

When the dead sea scrolls were found in 1947, they included virtually the entire OT, and the recovered scrolls of these books all predate Christ, Christianity and the destruction of Israel in 70 AD by 2-3 centuries. These copies of the OT were over 1000 years older than anything ever found before that time. Its not an accident the scrolls were found at the exact same time Israel was being reborn in the aftermath of WW2 and the holocaust, ending a Biblical prophesied 1900+ year diaspora of the Jews across the entire world. Since then, we have found even more translations and copies that also predate Christ. The Septuagint (the Hebrew bible, the OT) was translated into Greek in about 200-300 BC.

Quite simply, when you have examined the actual evidence we have today, it takes far more faith to deny it than to believe.
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(11-12-2017 01:18 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 08:57 AM)Lush Wrote:  i'm sure you've heard this many times, but being born in the western civilization predisposes you to believing christianity. what makes your god any better than any other? it doesn't take much for me to believe that there is a god. i don't need tales of miracles and superstition, parables, etc... god is the universe

i also wonder, if satan knew what was to be expected of turning on god, what was his purpose? that is, if he knew an eternal damnation was in store, why would he pursue down that road? god and satan are cohorts in cahoots. god needs satan just as much as satan needs god. as in everything else. the non duality

Since we have a connection in our appreciation for music Lush, let me chime in for the good, faithful Brother, eric. As to your first question, it really comes down to your personal conviction in truth and faith as to what God you believe in (or no God at all). It's hard for me to put into words why I believe in the Christian God outside of what is contained in the Holy Bible because it is based on a personal relationship. The God-Christ I worship and follow is alive and is not some statue, ritual or based on someone else's claim. I have experienced His blessings, peace, answered prayers and eternal truths that is just hard to explain to someone else. I know you are an avid reader so if you are willing I would recommend a concise, interesting non-fiction read (170 pages) titled "More Than A Carpenter" by Josh McDowell/Sean McDowell. The basic premise is the author was a skeptic of Jesus Christ's claims that He is God and set out to disprove it through research of the facts in 1976. Over the course of his research, Josh ended up believing that Christ is God and His claims are real. Another book I have not read yet and recommended by my uncle is "Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus: A Devout Muslim Encounters Christianity" by Nabeel Qureshi. This one chronicles the journey of a passionate Muslim who comes to believe in and converts to Christianity. Either of these may give you a different perspective outside of the Holy Scriptures.

Regarding your second question, I don't have any evidence that Satan knew what he was getting into with his rebellion but choices can be made. Here on earth, people know murder is a crime with consequences but some do it anyway. The act of sin blinds hearts from the truth. God knew Satan would fall and sin would result from man because we are imperfect and that was part of God's plan. I also don't have any evidence but I'm not so sure Satan knows yet that he is eternally damned. God left him with powers for a time until, as eric cites above, the final judgment is rendered by Christ Jesus for all (fallen angels and human beings) that reject Christ as God. God uses Satan and sin for His purposes and not the other way around. It's all about our conviction to confess that we have to have Jesus Christ in our faith to overcome sin, death and final judgment. Christ had to die (as part man) for all sin for all time because the wages of sin is death. He paid the price for us so we can be redeemed and escape final judgment through Him. It's really rather direct and quite simple when it comes down to the brass tax so to speak. However, simply believing is not always that easy. That leads back to your first question...



On point as always, my brother. Excellent post.

Josh McDowell's "Evidence that demands a verdict" is also really good, and also chronicles the evidence and how Josh was converted in '76 after researching the facts.

Its life changing evidence and facts for those with eyes to see and ears to hear.
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