(09-20-2017 02:44 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  





One of his better sermons from start to finish.

I'm sorry Eric but trying to claim the dates in August of the 21st and 25th, when some random events took place somewhere in the world, directly correlate to a Bible verse quoting Jesus from Luke 21:25 is absolute loony tunes.

Jesus didn't speak in numbered verses. Nearly every day in the world an event takes place which could be considered catastrophic, etc. Not to mention, applying one verse from the Bible to daily events is extremely problematic and short-sighted.

And I'm sure you're aware of Luke 21:8 right?

"Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he.' and, 'The time is near.' DO NOT FOLLOW THEM."

(09-20-2017 08:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I'm sorry Eric but trying to claim the dates in August of the 21st and 25th, when some random events took place somewhere in the world, directly correlate to a Bible verse quoting Jesus from Luke 21:25 is absolute loony tunes.

Jesus didn't speak in numbered verses. Nearly every day in the world an event takes place which could be considered catastrophic, etc. Not to mention, applying one verse from the Bible to daily events is extremely problematic and short-sighted.

And I'm sure you're aware of Luke 21:8 right?

"Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he.' and, 'The time is near.' DO NOT FOLLOW THEM."

This comment really makes no sense at all.

Just who is it you are claiming is being followed here that is a "deceiver" claiming to come in Christs name? What an absurd accusations/suggestion.

A lot of Christians believe signs like the eclipse and 9-23 are genuine signs of the times, just as predicted in the bible.


BTW- I don't "follow" anyone but Jesus Christ and the bible. People who don't ever read their bibles are the one that "follow" a specific preacher.

Quote:A lot of Christians believe signs like the eclipse and 9-23 are genuine signs of the [end] times, just as predicted in the bible.

And many many more don't.

And I'm talking about this preacher. If what I saw in the first moments of that video is what he truly believes, he's totally lost.

These events didn't just take place on the 21st and the 25th. They were reeking havoc for many days. So to fit this guys agenda, he picks out those two days alone? That is reckless and dangerous and not in line with the teaching of Jesus or God.

Tried a new donut place this morning. They had a text ticker sign. It said

Jesus is coming! Soon!

Apparently he placed a big order for everyone when he gets here.

(09-20-2017 11:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Quote:A lot of Christians believe signs like the eclipse and 9-23 are genuine signs of the [end] times, just as predicted in the bible.

And many many more don't.

Agreed. Many Christians today do not even read their bibles at all, much less study the prophets. Most never even read 80% of the NT.

Christ and Paul both said the final days before His return would be marked by rampant apostasy in the Chruches. People chasing worldly cares and concerns over sound doctrine and prophecy.

(09-20-2017 11:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And I'm talking about this preacher. If what I saw in the first moments of that video is what he truly believes, he's totally lost.

These events didn't just take place on the 21st and the 25th. They were reeking havoc for many days. So to fit this guys agenda, he picks out those two days alone? That is reckless and dangerous and not in line with the teaching of Jesus or God.

Obviously he never said events ONLY took place on the 21st and 25th. He felt it interesting how it correlated with Luke 25 and found the names more recent storms interesting. The video actually deals with a series of things, including Israel, the UN, the feast of Trumpets the blood moons, the Rev 12 sign on 9-23-2017, mockers such as yourself and many others.

Frankly if what you post here and on the political board is what YOU believe I suspect you are the one who is totally lost. You don't remotely come off as a Christian no matter if you are trolling the political board or trolling one of my many different biblical based threads. You have been triggered over this thread for a long time now, and I think its a really sad display on your part.

You calling a man who daily preaches the gospel and the salvation through faith in Christ alone (and is a missionary who has spread the Gospel in 40 different countries) a "deceiver" and false Christ is as irresponsible and disgusting as it gets. If you want to attack some preacher you've never heard of and claim he isn't a Christian simply because He believes recent world events are signs of the last days then you are far more foolish than I ever gave you credit for.

That is not even remotely Christ like and goes against everything written in the bible.

Eric, read again. I said I feel he's lost when he tries to claim any current event is tied directly to a certain Bible verse...and even further when he does it so specifically. That's what should not be followed. And yes, you once again hide behind this supposed lack of specifics and that you and he are just pointing out "interesting" correlations, etc. but I'm not buying it. I know exactly what you're doing. You're trying to scare people into following Jesus instead of winning them over with love as Jesus commanded.

NOWHERE did I say the man was not a Christian or had not done good works. If I had, I'm sure you would have specifically pointed that out.

And frankly to you Eric, the way you judge people you don't know here and in other threads, makes YOU look like the one who does not know Jesus.

#truthreport

(09-21-2017 08:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Eric, read again. I said I feel he's lost when he tries to claim any current event is tied directly to a certain Bible verse...and even further when he does it so specifically. That's what should not be followed. And yes, you once again hide behind this supposed lack of specifics and that you and he are just pointing out "interesting" correlations, etc. but I'm not buying it. I know exactly what you're doing. You're trying to scare people into following Jesus instead of winning them over with love as Jesus commanded.

NOWHERE did I say the man was not a Christian or had not done good works. If I had, I'm sure you would have specifically pointed that out.

And frankly to you Eric, the way you judge people you don't know here and in other threads, makes YOU look like the one who does not know Jesus.

#truthreport

You sit there and make attack after attack passing judging me and my intentions, basically calling me a liar and a deceiver and then you have the gall to turn around and talk about judging others? You even suggested the minister in the vid was a false Christ and deceiver without knowing the first thing about him. NOW you invoke scripture on not judging?

"Scaring" people by telling them Jesus will soon return? How absurd and totally backwards can you possibly get?

Your consistent trolling for many months in their thread speaks loud and clear, now now you are just blatantly suggesting I am a deceiver based on your own imagination as evidence.

The idea that its wrong to study and connect current events with end times prophecy and discern the times and season we live goes again everything written in the bible and even what Jesus taught Himself concerning the end times. You are literally arguing 180 degrees OPPOSITE of what the bible tells us on these things.

Jesus Himself told us to WATCH for the signs of His coming, even in the Sun, Moon and stars, He even gave specific prophecies to watch and KNOW when the season arrives. YOU are bearing false witness about the bible, DESPITE being shown scriptures that refute your claims over and over and over again. You have absolutely nothing to stand these false accusations and claims on and you stand in prideful defiance of the Words of Jesus Himself.

Eric, simply having a different philosophy on how and when to interpret modern day events as they relate to biblical instruction and biblican prophecy does not imply that you, me, or anyone else is a liar. It's mostly just a difference of opinion.

Relax. You're taking this way to personally.

I've never once begrudged you or anyone else for studying and watching.

It just appears to me that you're a little too eager and that you think that you've got this all figured out, that's all. I could be wrong.

(09-21-2017 09:57 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Eric, simply having a different philosophy on how and when to interpret modern day events as they relate to biblical instruction and biblican prophecy does not imply that you, me, or anyone else is a liar. It's mostly just a difference of opinion.

Relax. You're taking this way to personally.

I've never once begrudged you or anyone else for studying and watching.

It just appears to me that you're a little too eager and that you think that you've got this all figured out, that's all. I could be wrong.

I think people can read all your previous comments, compare it with the picture you painted in this post and make up their own minds. Either way I forgive you fully for your repeated false accusations and other nonsense here. I wouldn't worry about me being offended by you, I've dealt with 10 times worse many times before. (there are some bitter atheists who are FAR nastier)

The only difference in "philosophy" you an I have here is I actually study what the bible says on these issues and put forth great effort and time trying to LEARN what it teaches. You like to make things up out of thin air as you go and not really consider yourself or seek what the bible says about it. I made the same mistake for many years in my life.

Constantly accusing others of thinking they understand it all simply because they share a lot of scripture should be beneath you, particularity if you are a Christian. I obviously never suggested I understand all and have in fact said just the opposite to you multiple times. Stop repeating these same dishonest unchristian attacks.

There are some made up stories circulating in the MSM that some Christians believe the world ends on 9-23. I personally don't know or haven't heard of a single Christian that believes or says this.

The world does NOT end on Sept 23. Anyone claiming so has NOT read their bible. We don't know ANYTHING for sure happens beyond the Rev 12:1-2 sign. The only other thing we DO know for sure is the world does NOT end on 9-23 or any other doomsday claim.

The feast of Trumpets has begun and we are less than 48 hours out from the moon moving into position at her feet. Everything else is already in place. The sign will culminate fully late Saturday morning (CST) just as they are blowing the "Last Trump" in Israel ending the Feast of Trumpets and the moon moves beneth her feet. If it had been cloudy at dusk Thursday evening, they could not have sighted the new moon and the timing would have been off by a full day or more. But everything workout out perfect and they spotted the New moon at the first dusk. Now the Last Trump aligns perfectly with the sign in the heavens.


I continue to believe this sign is most likely the "cry heard at midnight" in the parable of the 10 Virgins.

Matt 25:6 - And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

They all had time to get up and trim their lamps, but 5 were wise and 5 were foolish and missed the wedding.


Psalm 19:1-3 tells us the stars have a voice that is heard in all languages and people of the earth.

Psalm 19:1-3
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.

3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.


MARANATHA!

(09-22-2017 03:41 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  The feast of Trumpets has begun and we are less than 48 hours out from the moon moving into position at her feet. Everything else is already in place. The sign will culminate fully late Saturday morning (CST) just as they are blowing the "Last Trump" in Israel ending the Feast of Trumpets and the moon moves beneath her feet. If it had been cloudy at dusk Thursday evening, they could not have sighted the new moon and the timing would have been off by a full day or more. But everything workout out perfect and they spotted the New moon at the first dusk. Now the Last Trump aligns perfectly with the sign in the heavens.

Serious question: Who are "they" and what difference does it make if clouds obscured their view...the moon is still in the same place regardless of the clouds in our atmosphere, right?

God did provide us with the knowledge and technology to know when the new moon appears even if you we can't see it, correct?

(09-22-2017 08:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 03:41 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  The feast of Trumpets has begun and we are less than 48 hours out from the moon moving into position at her feet. Everything else is already in place. The sign will culminate fully late Saturday morning (CST) just as they are blowing the "Last Trump" in Israel ending the Feast of Trumpets and the moon moves beneath her feet. If it had been cloudy at dusk Thursday evening, they could not have sighted the new moon and the timing would have been off by a full day or more. But everything workout out perfect and they spotted the New moon at the first dusk. Now the Last Trump aligns perfectly with the sign in the heavens.

Serious question: Who are "they" and what difference does it make if clouds obscured their view...the moon is still in the same place regardless of the clouds in our atmosphere, right?

God did provide us with the knowledge and technology to know when the new moon appears even if you we can't see it, correct?

The Jews are "they".

And No, the Feast of Trumpets doesn't begin until 2 witnesses spot the first sliver of the New moon. Its common for the feast to start a day or two late because of the weather. The Jews are simply following the ancient appointed feasts and do not yet realize the significance of Christ in each of them.

Its hard to believe you had no idea who celebrates the Feast of Trumpets. Its like you've never opened your bible and read it one single time.

Now that the sign of the woman in Rev 12:1-2 has come, the question now shifts to when does the sign of the Dragon come. I didn't expect them on the same day (though I wasn't sure), but some read the chapter and did. This sent some of the nibiru/planet x conspiracy people into a frenzy thinking it would appear on 9-23 because the sign of the woman did. Other secular conspiracy theorists had been talking about the world ending on 9-23 for 3-4 years in a row without any connection at all with Revelation 12. Bible based Christians know the world is not suddenly desotryed one day out of the blue.

So lets look at the text fresh now that the sign of the woman has been fulfilled:

Revelation 12 starts with 2 different celestial signs. Verses 1-2 are the sign of the woman in the sky, verse 3-4 are the sign of the Dragon in the sky.

We know the child is raptured into heaven and the woman flees into the wilderness for 3.5 years. Basically around verses 4-6 the prophecy changes from "celestial sign" to actual events on the earth, connected to the 2 celestial signs. We know the planet Jupiter is not going to be raptured into heaven, so I would say it seems rather obvious the change from celestial sign to earthly events happens at verses 4-5. Based on the text, verses 1-3 are clearly not earthly events, but events in the sky.

Verse 4 is the stars being flung to earth (quite possibly a real earthly event) and verse 5 is the rapture of the saints (definitely a real earthly event), and verse 6 begins the events that follow on the earth in the Great Tribulation (also definitely a real earthly event).

Simply by the process of elimination, we now KNOW the sign of the woman and the sign of the dragon are not on the same day, its no longer speculation. We would have had to assume they were with no real textual proof at all anyway, and now we know one comes first, then the other follows just as the text reads in verse 3.

"And then I saw another sign in heaven".

Though there are dragons and serpent constellations, as of today we really have no good evidence whatsoever to connect the sign of the dragon to any constellations. There are no specific markers given such as the sun and moons involvement in the sign of the woman. We also know that a "star" cannot hit the earth, so this is more likely some type of asteroids and debris falling from the sky. We see in verses 7-9 the war in heaven happens and Satan and his Angels are cast to the earth, and this is AFTER verse 4.

There just isn't much to go on concerning the dragon right now and all we can do is blindly speculate. We had a mountain of facts and evidence with the sign of the woman, we're virtually in the dark right now on the sign of the Dragon.

Christ said in Luke 21:11 there would be terrifying sights and great signs in the sky. So when we do see some terrifying object in the skies or the government/Nasa announces some terrifying and dangerous body has been spotted, we will know its the 2nd celestial sign of Rev 12.

When this does happen, I pray that anyone out there who read this near 3 year study and log of events and has doubts or has not accepted Christ as their Savior should have seen enough to WAKE UP and see the bible is the Word of God and Christ is His Son and our Salvation.

YHWH says:

"I declared the end form the beginning. From long ago, from ancient times I told you things that had not yet happened, saying, "My plan will stand, and I'll do everything I intended to do." Isaiah 46:10


Amen and MARANATHA!

Revlation 12 events in order:

1- Sign of the Woman (fulfilled)

2- Sign of the Dragon

3- 1/3rd of the stars cast to the earth (possible celestial asteroid thread)

4- Rapture of the "child" (Saints)

5- War in heaven

6- Satan and his Angels cast to the earth (Appx 1/3rd of all Angels)

7- Salvation has come, Rejoicing in Heaven

8- Dragon persecutes the woman on earth


That is the entire Chapter up to through verse 13.

(09-22-2017 04:13 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 08:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 03:41 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  The feast of Trumpets has begun and we are less than 48 hours out from the moon moving into position at her feet. Everything else is already in place. The sign will culminate fully late Saturday morning (CST) just as they are blowing the "Last Trump" in Israel ending the Feast of Trumpets and the moon moves beneath her feet. If it had been cloudy at dusk Thursday evening, they could not have sighted the new moon and the timing would have been off by a full day or more. But everything workout out perfect and they spotted the New moon at the first dusk. Now the Last Trump aligns perfectly with the sign in the heavens.

Serious question: Who are "they" and what difference does it make if clouds obscured their view...the moon is still in the same place regardless of the clouds in our atmosphere, right?

God did provide us with the knowledge and technology to know when the new moon appears even if you we can't see it, correct?

The Jews are "they".

And No, the Feast of Trumpets doesn't begin until 2 witnesses spot the first sliver of the New moon. Its common for the feast to start a day or two late because of the weather. The Jews are simply following the ancient appointed feasts and do not yet realize the significance of Christ in each of them.

Its hard to believe you had no idea who celebrates the Feast of Trumpets. Its like you've never opened your bible and read it one single time.

Dude, you're just impossible. I've attended church my whole life, gone to Sunday School for years. Have done numerous Bible studies for weeks on end scouring many parts of the Old and New Testaments. Never once did we cover the Feast of Trumpets. Excuse me for asking.

(09-25-2017 09:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Dude, you're just impossible. I've attended church my whole life, gone to Sunday School for years. Have done numerous Bible studies for weeks on end scouring many parts of the Old and New Testaments. Never once did we cover the Feast of Trumpets. Excuse me for asking.

Sorry, but if you had seriously studied the first 4 books of the OT, we would not be having this conversation. You would NOT be asking what is the feast of trumpets and not even know who celebrated it. At the very least you would have known its one of the 7 Feasts of the Lord the Jews lived their ENTIRE LIVES around. Its like saying you've studied the Koran your whole life but you've never heard of Mecca, or a prayer rug.

I've told you a million times now 90% of churches today don't teach outside of 4-5 books of the bible and basically ignore or hide from 80% of it.

You don't even really grasp how absurd it is that you have attended church for that many years and have no clue what the Feasts of the Lord are or their tremendous significance to Christ. YOU ARE NOT ALONE. I would not have known a few short years ago either, our churches simply didn't teach us. It doesn't make them bad people, most of them were very sincere and doing the best they could.

There are millions and millions of Americans who have sat in church and attended bible studies for 40+ years and have never really been taught anything other than Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and the first 2 chapters of Acts. I was stuck in the same trap for 40 years because that is all I was ever taught. That's why you had no idea what the feasts were, because its taught in Leviticus, Numbers, and other scattered OT books, and its huge connections with Christ are taught in the books of Paul. Its not really in Matthew, Mark, Luke or John.

The bible is 66 books. Not 4 NT books plus Psalms and Proverbs. All 66 books have tremendous significance, there are no weak links in the chain.

You have the internet at your fingertips and a gazillion hours of teaching, preaching, lecturing and debating the entire bible. You have the most amazing bible study tools at your fingertips that mankind has ever seen

Take advantage of it. Take matters into your own hands. It takes many hours, but its 1000 times more rewarding than video games, TV, movies or politics. And you will be ASTONISHED how much you can understand today with all the online tools and teaching available to you. Particularly if you are wanting to avoid the trappings of denominational teaching and just seek to learn what the Word teaches without bias.

Both the Father and the Son desire you to read the Word every day.

Man cannot live by bread alone, but every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Matt 4:4

1. I've never claimed to have read the whole Bible (meaning every single word in every single book).
2. I never said I had never heard of it (the Feast of Trumpets), what it is, or had no knowledge of where it appeared in the Bible.

What I asked was about the specifics of it in relation to this event, the clouds and such, because I've never studied all the particulars of it.

But once again you manage to come off as a heel instead of someone truly desiring to win people to Christ.

(09-25-2017 11:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  1. I've never claimed to have read the whole Bible (meaning every single word in every single book).
2. I never said I had never heard of it (the Feast of Trumpets), what it is, or had no knowledge of where it appeared in the Bible.

What I asked was about the specifics of it in relation to this event, the clouds and such, because I've never studied all the particulars of it.

But once again you manage to come off as a heel instead of someone truly desiring to win people to Christ.

Now the victim card and the spin job. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Its just a constant trolling circle with you, and I have honestly and patiently answered these things every time you've asked for many months now.

Again, for the umpteenth time in the thread will will just have to agree to disagree.

Further, it's quite clear in Leviticus when the Feast starts, and it says nothing about needing to see the moon without clouds as to when it begins.

Quote:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.

25 Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord.

That's really why I asked.