I can't believe this hasn't been posted yet.

http://charlestonbusiness.com/news/53699...university

1. Of course the current soon to be fired president would oppose the plan.
2. Where do you find 200 students who want to turn down a free ride at another school only to pay for an education at sc state?
I Could be wrong but im assuming they are amongst the student with less than a 2.5 gpa.

(02-11-2015 02:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I can't believe this hasn't been posted yet.

http://charlestonbusiness.com/news/53699...university

You beat me by 22 minutes .... was just about to post that. Obviously would have some implications on the sports world as well. :-)

I tend to believe the likelihood of SCSU actually closing down for any length of time is pretty close to 0%. I DO think it's a worthwhile debate to talk about the place of HBCUs in the 21st Century. But closing down an HBCU in an uber-conservative state?!?!? HBCUs are a politically loaded topic --- believe me, this will quickly become all about politics.

The politicians (from both sides of the aisle) will be swarming on this issue in no time. This would quickly become a national political issue too, not just a South Carolina-issue.

(02-11-2015 02:30 PM)NittanyLion Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 02:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I can't believe this hasn't been posted yet.

http://charlestonbusiness.com/news/53699...university

You beat me by 22 minutes .... was just about to post that. Obviously would have some implications on the sports world as well. :-)

I tend to believe the likelihood of SCSU actually closing down for any length of time is pretty close to 0%. I DO think it's a worthwhile debate to talk about the placie of HBCUs in the 21st Century. But closing down an HBCU in an uber-conservative state?!?!? HBCUs are a politically loaded topic --- believe me, this will quickly become all about politics.

The politicians (from both sides of the aisle) will be swarming on this issue in no time. This would quickly become a national political issue too, not just a South Carolina-issue.

Nobody gives a **** about South Carolina

(02-11-2015 02:33 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Nobody gives a **** about South Carolina

Well ----- a public HBCU has never permanently closed before in this country. Never.

If you don't believe an issue like this won't draw certain types of political vultures (again, from both sides of the aisle), you're not paying attention.

Plenty of people give a **** about South Carolina (you're wrong in your original statement) --- and plenty of people give a **** about what happens with SCSU.

Sad for students, alumni, faculty and staff, but the school was in serious danger of losing accreditation. Keeping the school open under those circumstances would have been the equivalent of fraud, in my opinion. Admitting new students and charging tuition for a possibly worthless degree and non-transferable credits would have hurt the students more than closing the school down. I applaud the SC Legislature for at least trying to do right by them by offering the chance to transfer and have their tuition covered.

(02-11-2015 03:14 PM)prp Wrote:  Sad for students, alumni, faculty and staff, but the school was in serious danger of losing accreditation. Keeping the school open under those circumstances would have been the equivalent of fraud, in my opinion. Admitting new students and charging tuition for a possibly worthless degree and non-transferable credits would have hurt the students more than closing the school down. I applaud the SC Legislature for at least trying to do right by them by offering the chance to transfer and have their tuition covered.

Honestly, I think the SC Legislature is correct here --- and I think the correct long-term solution is to roll SC State into the USC system.

SC State (aka USC-Orangeburg) would become much-like USC Upstate or USC Aiken in that scenario. USC Upstate is, of course, a recent D1 move-up, while USC Aiken is currently D2 (Peach Belt Conference).

(02-11-2015 02:33 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 02:30 PM)NittanyLion Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 02:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I can't believe this hasn't been posted yet.

http://charlestonbusiness.com/news/53699...university

You beat me by 22 minutes .... was just about to post that. Obviously would have some implications on the sports world as well. :-)

I tend to believe the likelihood of SCSU actually closing down for any length of time is pretty close to 0%. I DO think it's a worthwhile debate to talk about the placie of HBCUs in the 21st Century. But closing down an HBCU in an uber-conservative state?!?!? HBCUs are a politically loaded topic --- believe me, this will quickly become all about politics.

The politicians (from both sides of the aisle) will be swarming on this issue in no time. This would quickly become a national political issue too, not just a South Carolina-issue.

Nobody gives a **** about South Carolina

Well, except for that beautiful stretch of land known as Charleston.

And that spot where the board's CZAR lives. Otherwise, you're right :)

(02-11-2015 02:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I can't believe this hasn't been posted yet.

http://charlestonbusiness.com/news/53699...university

wow


SC


what else can you say?

would this be the beginning of the end for the HBCU's in D1?

Did anyone read the article. This still has to pass a committee then the house and the state senate. My bet would be that it never even reaches a vote on the state house floor.

(02-11-2015 03:24 PM)NittanyLion Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 03:14 PM)prp Wrote:  Sad for students, alumni, faculty and staff, but the school was in serious danger of losing accreditation. Keeping the school open under those circumstances would have been the equivalent of fraud, in my opinion. Admitting new students and charging tuition for a possibly worthless degree and non-transferable credits would have hurt the students more than closing the school down. I applaud the SC Legislature for at least trying to do right by them by offering the chance to transfer and have their tuition covered.

Honestly, I think the SC Legislature is correct here --- and I think the correct long-term solution is to roll SC State into the USC system.

SC State (aka USC-Orangeburg) would become much-like USC Upstate or USC Aiken in that scenario. USC Upstate is, of course, a recent D1 move-up, while USC Aiken is currently D2 (Peach Belt Conference).

I don't understand why they would need to close it to roll it into the USC system.

I'm not arguing with you. I just don't understand why that is.

(02-11-2015 03:24 PM)NittanyLion Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 03:14 PM)prp Wrote:  Sad for students, alumni, faculty and staff, but the school was in serious danger of losing accreditation. Keeping the school open under those circumstances would have been the equivalent of fraud, in my opinion. Admitting new students and charging tuition for a possibly worthless degree and non-transferable credits would have hurt the students more than closing the school down. I applaud the SC Legislature for at least trying to do right by them by offering the chance to transfer and have their tuition covered.

Honestly, I think the SC Legislature is correct here --- and I think the correct long-term solution is to roll SC State into the USC system.

SC State (aka USC-Orangeburg) would become much-like USC Upstate or USC Aiken in that scenario. USC Upstate is, of course, a recent D1 move-up, while USC Aiken is currently D2 (Peach Belt Conference).

In all honesty the best thing for them mission-wise (as a land grant) and for the community they serve (Orangeburg and surrounding counties) they would probably be better under Clemson's BOT. It would strengthen their engineering and agricultural mission and would more likely allow them to be more of a partner in the system rather than a satellite of Columbia.

Never realized how many HBCU there were. Look at this list:

Alabama A&M University Huntsville, Alabama 1875 Public
Alabama State University Montgomery, Alabama 1867 Public
Albany State University Albany, Georgia 1903 Public
Alcorn State University Lorman, Mississippi 1871 Public
Allen University Columbia, South Carolina 1870 Private
American Baptist College Nashville,Tennessee 1924 Private
University of Arkansas at Pine Bluff Pine Bluff, Arkansas 1873 Public Fo
Arkansas Baptist College Little Rock, Arkansas 1884 Private
Barber-Scotia College Concord, North Carolina 1867 Private
Benedict College Columbia, South Carolina 1870 Private
Bennett College Greensboro, North Carolina 1873 Private
Bethune-Cookman University Daytona Beach, Florida 1904 Private
Bishop State Community College Mobile, Alabama 1927 Public
Bluefield State College Bluefield, West Virginia 1895 Public
Bowie State University Bowie, Maryland 1865 Public
Central State University Wilberforce, Ohio 1887 Public
Cheyney University of Pennsylvania Cheyney,Pennsylvania 1837 Public
Claflin University Orangeburg, South Carolina 1869 Private
Clark Atlanta University Atlanta,Georgia 1865 Private
Clinton Junior College Rock Hill, South Carolina 1894 Private
Coahoma Community College Coahoma County,Mississippi
Concordia College, Selma Selma, Alabama 1922 Private
Coppin State University Baltimore Maryland 1900 Public
Delaware State University Dover, Delaware 1891 Public F
Denmark Technical College Denmark, South Carolina 1947 Public
Dillard University New Orleans, Louisiana 1869 Private
University of the District of Columbia 1851 Public F
Edward Waters College Jacksonville, Florida 1866 Private
Elizabeth City State University Elizabeth City, North Carolina 1891 Public
Fayetteville State University Fayetteville, North Carolina 1867 Public
Fisk University Nashville, Tennessee 1866 Private
Florida A&M University Tallahassee, Florida 1887 Public
Florida Memorial University Miami Gardens, Florida 1879 Private
Fort Valley State University Fort Valley, Georgia 1895 Public
Gadsden State Community College Gadsden Alabama 1925 Public
Grambling State University Grambling, Louisiana 1901 Public
Hampton University Hampton, Virginia 1868 Private
Harris-Stowe State University St. Louis, Missouri 1857 Public
Hinds Community College at Utica Utica, Mississippi 1903 Public
Howard University Washington. DC 1867 Private
Huston-Tillotson University Austin, Texas 1881 Private
Interdenominational Theological Center Atlanta, Georgia 1958 Private
J. F. Drake State Technical College Huntsville, Alabama 1961 Public
Jackson State University Jackson, Mississippi 1877 Public
Jarvis Christian College Hawkins, Texas 1912 Private
Johnson C. Smith University Charlotte, North Carolina 1867 Private
Kentucky State University Frankfort, Kentucky 1886 Public
Knoxville College Knoxville (Mechanicsville), Tennessee 1875 Private
Lane College Jackson, Tennessee 1882 Private
Langston University Langston, Oklahoma 1897 Public
Lawson State Community College Bessemer, Alabama 1949 Public
LeMoyne-Owen College Memphis, Tennessee 1862 Private
Lewis College of Business Detroit, Michigan 1928 Private
Lincoln University Chester County Pennsylvania 1854 Public
Lincoln University of Missouri Jefferson City, Missouri 1866 Public
Livingstone College Salisbury, North Carolina 1879 Private
University of Maryland Eastern Shore Princess Anne, Maryland 1886 Public Meharry Medical College Nashville, Tennessee 1876 Private
Miles College Fairfield, Alabama 1905 Private
Mississippi Valley State University Itta Bena, Mississippi 1950 Public
Morehouse College Atlanta, Georgia 1867 Private
Morehouse School of Medicine Atlanta, Georgia 1975 Private
Morgan State University Baltimore, Maryland 1867 Public
Morris Brown College Atlanta, Georgia 1881 Private
Morris College Sumter, South Carolina 1908 Private
Norfolk State University Norfolk, Virginia 1935 Public
North Carolina A&T State Univ Greensboro, North Carolina 1891 Public
Oakwood University Huntsville, Alabama 1896 Private
Paine College Augusta, Georgia 1882 Private
Paul Quinn College Dallas, Texas 1872 Private
Philander Smith College Little Rock, Arkansas 1877 Private
Prairie View A&M University Prairie View-Texas 1876 Public
Rust College Holly Springs, Mississippi 1866 Private
Savannah State University Savannah Georgia 1890 Public
Selma University Selma, Alabama 1878 Private
Shaw University Raleigh, North Carolina 1865 Private
Shorter College Little Rock Arkansas 1886 Private
Shelton State Community College Tuscaloosa , Alabama 1952 Public
South Carolina State University Orangeburg, South Carolina 1896 Public
Southern University at New Orleans New Orleans, Louisiana 1959 Public
Southern University at Shreveport Shreveport , Louisiana 1967 Public
Southern University and A&M College Baton Rouge, Louisiana 1881 Public
Southwestern Christian College Terrell, Texas 1948 Private
Spelman College Atlanta, Georgia 1881 Private
St. Augustine's University Raleigh, North Carolina 1867 Private
St. Philip's College San Antonio, Texas 1898 Public
Stillman College Tuscaloosa , Alabama 1876 Private
Talladega College Talladega County, Alabama 1867 Private
Tennessee State University Nashville, Tennessee 1912 Public
Texas College Tyler, Texas 1894 Private
Texas Southern University Houston, Texas 1927 Public
Tougaloo College Hinds County, Mississippi 1869 Private
Trenholm State Technical College Montgomery, Alabama 1947 Public
Tuskegee University Tuskegee, Alabama 1881 Private
University of the Virgin Islands United States Virgin Islands 1962 Public
Virginia State University Petersburg , Virginia 1882 Public
Virginia Union University Richmond, Virginia 1864 Private
Virginia University of Lynchburg, Virginia 1886 Private
Voorhees College Denmark, South Carolina 1897 Private
West Virginia State University Institute, West Virginia 1891 Public
Wilberforce University Wilberforce, Ohio 1856 Private
Wiley College Marshall, Texas 1873 Private
Winston-Salem State University Winston-Salem, North Carolina 1892 Public
Xavier University of Louisiana New Orleans, Louisiana 1915 Private

(02-11-2015 04:15 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  Did anyone read the article. This still has to pass a committee then the house and the state senate. My bet would be that it never even reaches a vote on the state house floor.

Pretty sure that the committee knows full well it will never pass, but when the SCSU administration has stonewalled both the Governor and the SC Legislature for at least six months about coming up with a plan other than "Give us more money" you have to take drastic measures to get their attention.

I linked this in the thread in the Spin room I started last night, but will link it here since Lazytom only reads gay threads in the Spin room.

http://www.wistv.com/story/28085036/hale...lizes-plan

Quote:South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley said Wednesday she will fight giving South Carolina State University another dollar until school leaders come up with a plan to fix the university's troubled finances.

"We can't just give money because they say they need it," Haley said. "We've got to protect the taxpayers and this is a time South Carolina State needs to step up."

While Haley said she doesn't know whether the school should shut down, she said she has been waiting for six months for an explanation about how the school wound up in the mess it is in.

"I will fight one more dollar for going to South Carolina State until they hand over that information that we need to see," Haley said.

And the Black Caucus is getting in their shots as well

Quote:Haley was in North Charleston attending the grand opening of the new propulsion plant at Boeing on Wednesday, the same day that members of the state's Legislative Black Caucus called for the resignation of university President Thomas Elzey.

(02-11-2015 02:30 PM)NittanyLion Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 02:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I can't believe this hasn't been posted yet.

http://charlestonbusiness.com/news/53699...university

You beat me by 22 minutes .... was just about to post that. Obviously would have some implications on the sports world as well. :-)

I tend to believe the likelihood of SCSU actually closing down for any length of time is pretty close to 0%. I DO think it's a worthwhile debate to talk about the place of HBCUs in the 21st Century. But closing down an HBCU in an uber-conservative state?!?!? HBCUs are a politically loaded topic --- believe me, this will quickly become all about politics.

The politicians (from both sides of the aisle) will be swarming on this issue in no time. This would quickly become a national political issue too, not just a South Carolina-issue.

I think in a lot of people's worlds it probably doesn't matter, but for kids that come from low socioeconomic backgrounds and low resource high schools where they didn't have a lot of stable family support, the HBCUs make attending college a more realistic choice. To me it isn't about serving a specific demographic of race or ethnicity, but rather they serve a certain socioeconomic demographic that most other colleges do not.

It's a state institution that, at least from their point of view, is not receiving adequate funding from the state, yet the state wants to shut them down for lack of funding. I certainly understand the frustration. If they're being denied funding and other state schools are not, and they're being asked to make cuts when other state schools are not, I can imagine that there would be quite a few lawyers that would be willing to work pro bono on their behalf on this one.

I don't know that much about it. I just learned of it last night. But, I do sympathize and hope that they can stay open, one way or another.

What is wrong with your state when you have to shut down a university, period?

(02-11-2015 04:48 PM)panama Wrote:  What is wrong with your state when you have to shut down a university, period?

It has more costs than revenues, simple math, dude

From the article....

Quote:"I will fight one more dollar for going to South Carolina State until they hand over that information that we need to see," Haley said.

Haley wants auditors to look at South Carolina State's finances and enrolment numbers.

That sounds fair.

Now, having said that, if the information that is handed over and that the auditors uncover indicates the reason that the school is "in this mess" is because the state never gave them the proper funding in the first place, that is also fair.

(02-11-2015 04:46 PM)David HD Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 02:30 PM)NittanyLion Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 02:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I can't believe this hasn't been posted yet.

http://charlestonbusiness.com/news/53699...university

You beat me by 22 minutes .... was just about to post that. Obviously would have some implications on the sports world as well. :-)

I tend to believe the likelihood of SCSU actually closing down for any length of time is pretty close to 0%. I DO think it's a worthwhile debate to talk about the place of HBCUs in the 21st Century. But closing down an HBCU in an uber-conservative state?!?!? HBCUs are a politically loaded topic --- believe me, this will quickly become all about politics.

The politicians (from both sides of the aisle) will be swarming on this issue in no time. This would quickly become a national political issue too, not just a South Carolina-issue.

I think in a lot of people's worlds it probably doesn't matter, but for kids that come from low socioeconomic backgrounds and low resource high schools where they didn't have a lot of stable family support, the HBCUs make attending college a more realistic choice. To me it isn't about serving a specific demographic of race or ethnicity, but rather they serve a certain socioeconomic demographic that most other colleges do not.

It's a state institution that, at least from their point of view, is not receiving adequate funding from the state, yet the state wants to shut them down for lack of funding. I certainly understand the frustration. If they're being denied funding and other state schools are not, and they're being asked to make cuts when other state schools are not, I can imagine that there would be quite a few lawyers that would be willing to work pro bono on their behalf on this one.

I don't know that much about it. I just learned of it last night. But, I do sympathize and hope that they can stay open, one way or another.

I suggest you look more into it if you place the blame at the feet of the state here. SC State has been mismanaged for decades, including getting caught using Morrill 1890 funds for general operating expenses, and having multiple university admins and trustees plead guilty of fraud. Only recently when the problems have become so bad it can't be ignored any longer has the state been able to actually do anything about it without being branded racist.

I feel sure that if something like this had happened at Coastal Carolina, College of Charleston, or Winthrop they would have been anywhere near this bad it would have been dealt with a long time ago by either shutting the doors or forcing them under one of the two flagships but because SCSU is a HBCU they have to be handled with kid gloves.