(02-11-2015 12:20 AM)fsquid Wrote:  I think his work ethic is off the charts but there is something wrong here. I will never hate the man, but a culture change is needed.

In life you want to bet on work ethic. Even more than talent, it's something that usually leads to success.

However, I won't say something is 'wrong', but something is 'missing'. I'm not sure what it is and frankly I feel incredibly bad b/c he seems to work his brains out and be a capital guy. It's like the light should go on and any moment and it will all get easy, but he just hasn't gotten there yet.

Remember that scene in the Matrix when Neo just figures it out and stops the bullets with his mind? I keep expecting something big to happen since he seems to really breathe basketball. It just isn't happening.

Bummer is, I bet he knows it and is as perplexed as the rest of us about this.

I bet it happens, but probably not here...

I am always a bit unsettled by those who practice forced positivity. Don't get me wrong. Being positive can get you through short spurts of bad times; but sooner or later, chemical substances must be employed to maintain it at all costs, even it it's just to get some sleep.

(02-11-2015 12:25 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  I am always a bit unsettled by those who practice forced positivity. Don't get me wrong. Being positive can get you through short spurts of bad times; but sooner or later, chemical substances must be employed to maintain it at all costs, even it it's just to get some sleep.

LOL.

Im actually a cynical pessimist in real life (most of you would be surprised at the guy behind the keyboard, I'm rare in that I'm actually nicer ONLINE than in real life).

I don't buy positivity in general. Say what you want about Calipari, but he was a mean spirited, cynical, and antagonistic SOB. And I loved that about him.

(02-11-2015 12:23 AM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 12:20 AM)fsquid Wrote:  I think his work ethic is off the charts but there is something wrong here. I will never hate the man, but a culture change is needed.

In life you want to bet on work ethic. Even more than talent, it's something that usually leads to success.

However, I won't say something is 'wrong', but something is 'missing'. I'm not sure what it is and frankly I feel incredibly bad b/c he seems to work his brains out and be a capital guy. It's like the light should go on and any moment and it will all get easy, but he just hasn't gotten there yet.

Remember that scene in the Matrix when Neo just figures it out and stops the bullets with his mind? I keep expecting something big to happen since he seems to really breathe basketball. It just isn't happening.

Bummer is, I bet he knows it and is as perplexed as the rest of us about this.

I bet it happens, but probably not here...

It's like I said before: CJP was rushed into a job that he wasn't quite ready for. Like the stud minor leaguer who gets called up too early and really struggles and actually his performance in the majors is worse than it should've been.

CJP can recruit and run a very clean program and has a great media image. He 'gets' the importance of media. However, he still needs to improve on in-game adjustments, game preparation and player development and - perhaps - branding. I remember the DaJuan Wagner saga. talk about NO identity....just let DaJuan 'take over' that was our offense.

Cal finally found the dribble-drive-offense and throw in the monster recruiting classes AND - say what you will about Cal - he was good at player development. Dorsey, CDR, AA, Burks, Shawne Williams all improved their games under Cal.

The timing was just a bit off with CJP. Even if he gets fired here (and I still don't think it will happen after this year), he will be a HC again and it wouldn't surprise me at all if he is a big time success. He just has to get the tools in the tool box so to speak.

(02-10-2015 10:33 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  I always held my main problem with Pastner was his ability to "manage" human beings. Most church league level coaches know to let your pg work through mistakes. THEN add to the fact that the PG happened to be a McD AA, hometown kid and third leading scorer in TN high school history.

He ran off Sallie, didn't use Wes right, mothballed Carmouche etc, etc. Not to mention the assistant coach nonsense, flashcards, dap system and all his corny motivational book mentions. And then the silly postgame hack responses.

That about covers it in my opinion. His human skills are so bad for someone who continues to be put on a pedestal as a saint! I don't believe the hype.

(02-11-2015 01:54 AM)tigerdawg7 Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 10:33 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  I always held my main problem with Pastner was his ability to "manage" human beings. Most church league level coaches know to let your pg work through mistakes. THEN add to the fact that the PG happened to be a McD AA, hometown kid and third leading scorer in TN high school history.

He ran off Sallie, didn't use Wes right, mothballed Carmouche etc, etc. Not to mention the assistant coach nonsense, flashcards, dap system and all his corny motivational book mentions. And then the silly postgame hack responses.

That about covers it in my opinion. His human skills are so bad for someone who continues to be put on a pedestal as a saint! I don't believe the hype.

It's very odd for someone who recruits so well to be so bad relationally with his team. Pastner is a very smart man and hard worker. I think this season hitting rock bottom will propel him to become a better coach sort of how DWash's freshman year propelled Cal to change. Hopefully that happens with us.

(02-11-2015 12:02 AM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  The St. Louis game was competitive. The UVA / Mich State ones were embarrassing...

That's the issue....We were loaded! StL wasn't in our stratosphere.....it shouldn't have been competitive.....they had nothing! And we allowed them to look like world - beaters.....That was one of the most disappointing games since Kansas

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(02-11-2015 02:51 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 12:02 AM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  The St. Louis game was competitive. The UVA / Mich State ones were embarrassing...

That's the issue....We were loaded! StL wasn't in our stratosphere.....it shouldn't have been competitive.....they had nothing! And we allowed them to look like world - beaters.....That was one of the most disappointing games since Kansas

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They had the towel-crapper. He was a formidable foe.

(02-11-2015 12:54 AM)ddramone Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 12:23 AM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 12:20 AM)fsquid Wrote:  I think his work ethic is off the charts but there is something wrong here. I will never hate the man, but a culture change is needed.

In life you want to bet on work ethic. Even more than talent, it's something that usually leads to success.

However, I won't say something is 'wrong', but something is 'missing'. I'm not sure what it is and frankly I feel incredibly bad b/c he seems to work his brains out and be a capital guy. It's like the light should go on and any moment and it will all get easy, but he just hasn't gotten there yet.

Remember that scene in the Matrix when Neo just figures it out and stops the bullets with his mind? I keep expecting something big to happen since he seems to really breathe basketball. It just isn't happening.

Bummer is, I bet he knows it and is as perplexed as the rest of us about this.

I bet it happens, but probably not here...

It's like I said before: CJP was rushed into a job that he wasn't quite ready for. Like the stud minor leaguer who gets called up too early and really struggles and actually his performance in the majors is worse than it should've been.

CJP can recruit and run a very clean program and has a great media image. He 'gets' the importance of media. However, he still needs to improve on in-game adjustments, game preparation and player development and - perhaps - branding. I remember the DaJuan Wagner saga. talk about NO identity....just let DaJuan 'take over' that was our offense.

Cal finally found the dribble-drive-offense and throw in the monster recruiting classes AND - say what you will about Cal - he was good at player development. Dorsey, CDR, AA, Burks, Shawne Williams all improved their games under Cal.

The timing was just a bit off with CJP. Even if he gets fired here (and I still don't think it will happen after this year), he will be a HC again and it wouldn't surprise me at all if he is a big time success. He just has to get the tools in the tool box so to speak.

He's only gonna reach success once he gets his MK-ultra certificate and coaches one of their institutions......Josh has a serious issue with getting out of his own way.... he wants to prove so badly that he knows what he's doing.....and it's so NOT necessary! If he only focused on his strengths and allowed others to ghost - write this anomaly.....he could be as large as "the Beatles" Sad to say that he's too brilliant to figure that out!

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Folks like to make fun of Rick Majerus, but he was probably worth 15 points all by himself in that game.

And he probably knew he was dying at the time.

I don't think Pastner is teaching these kids anything, and he is certainly having communication issues. I've never seen in so many personality conflicts and kids leaving the program in such a short span. Tarik Black who did next to nothing here is now in the NBA and thriving. Joe Jackson is finally improving as a player and will get his shot soon.

Quite frankly, I don't know how he gets guys like Kuran Iverson and Dominic Magee who both left to sign up for his program in the first place. If you can recruit top 50 High School players, but can't do anything with them, you shouldn't be leading a college basketball program. You should be sitting on the end of somebody's bench in an assistant coaching capacity.

IMHO, Pastner is a bad fit for this program. He needs to either start recruiting kids he can relate to or move on. Nobody is signing up for this program anymore whose dad isn't on staff.