(02-11-2015 04:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 03:46 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 03:15 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yes he cares...and has said many times that he doesn't want it and we won't allow them to do it. Of course those words mean nothing to the haters.

Words always mean nothing without actions.

And what action have we taken to allow Iran to get a bomb?
We haven't.
Next.

They are the ones taking action to get a bomb.

We would take action to stop them.

We haven't.

(02-11-2015 03:15 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yes he cares...and has said many times that he doesn't want it and we won't allow them to do it. Of course those words mean nothing to the haters.

He lies about everything else, why would this be different?

(02-11-2015 04:41 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 04:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 03:46 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 03:15 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yes he cares...and has said many times that he doesn't want it and we won't allow them to do it. Of course those words mean nothing to the haters.

Words always mean nothing without actions.

And what action have we taken to allow Iran to get a bomb?
We haven't.
Next.

They are the ones taking action to get a bomb.

We would take action to stop them.

We haven't.

What evidence do you have that they are taking actions to get a bomb?

(02-11-2015 04:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 03:15 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yes he cares...and has said many times that he doesn't want it and we won't allow them to do it. Of course those words mean nothing to the haters.

He lies about everything else, why would this be different?

bull****.

(02-11-2015 04:40 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 10:06 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Sorry, I'm not missing anything. I'm surprised you are not getting this. Listen to what he said again. He is not basing his policy on the assumption that nuclear weapons are against their religion.

I didn't say he was basing his policy on this assumption. I believe he's basing his policy on not giving a rat's ass whether Iran gets nukes or not. He's using this assumption as a basis for rationalizing the resulting decision.

Quote:Iran was given a deal. If nuclear weapons are against their religion, then Iran should have no problem making the deal. If that is NOT true, then there will probably be no deal. That's it. He's not trusting Iran at all here. The question would be whether we'd be able to verify - that process isn't spelled out here.

Nuclear weapons are clearly NOT against their religion. Want to disagree? Fine, state where such opposition to nuclear weapons is enunciated.

What I expect is that we will do a bad deal. Obama will agree in order to be able to claim some truly Pyrrhic victory. Iran will agree because they get what they want.

Quote:You either attempt to make deals like this, or you invade Iran, or you tell Israel to invade Iran. Those are your choices. Those were the choices years ago as well, once they started putting their nuclear facilities underground. Unless Israel can find a way to infiltrate and blow up the facilities, and even that would probably be only a temporary halt.

Deals are worthless because Iran has no interest in abiding by them.
Given a choice between we invade and Israel invades, let Israel.
I think the best posture for us is Iran, you can build a nuke and we can't stop you, but if you ever use it against anyone, we vaporize Tehran and Isfahan and sink your navy and blow your air force out of the sky.

The thing that people are missing here is the threat that Iran poses to the Arab world in addition to Israel. They want to restore the Persian Empire, from Istanbul to Karachi. Going nuke gives them a leg up. If they go nuke, the Saudis are going to follow suit, and with their oil money they can do it in a hurry. Turkey almost certainly does the same, although not as quickly, and Pakistan is already there. That's the world that exists within a few years after Iran goes nuke.

If Obama didn't care, he wouldn't be wasting his time trying to make a deal.

The point was that one of the Iranians they're working with said that it was against their religion. So IF that's true, then they should be okay with the deal offered. I'm pretty sure the Koran is silent on the subject of nuclear weapons so obviously that would require a certain interpretation that could change at any time. I'm not arguing that point. It was a rhetorical point being made by Obama more than anything.

So if deals are pointless, our only option is to invade. Israel isn't going to. So you are saying we should invade then. When? What is the endgame? Who else do we need to invade to help Israel?

The threat against Iran that if they use a nuke, then we will nuke them, I really can't disagree with, though I haven't thought about the potential repercussions of that too much.

Weapons are not against their religion. Lying is not against their religion. Making deals they have no intentions of honoring is not against their religion. Their religion specifically condones all of these.

(02-11-2015 05:44 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  If Obama didn't care, he wouldn't be wasting his time trying to make a deal.

Au contraire, wasting time on a deal that won't accomplish anything is perfect. He looks like he cares, for political purposes, without actually doing anything that accomplishes anything.

Quote:The point was that one of the Iranians they're working with said that it was against their religion. So IF that's true, then they should be okay with the deal offered. I'm pretty sure the Koran is silent on the subject of nuclear weapons so obviously that would require a certain interpretation that could change at any time. I'm not arguing that point. It was a rhetorical point being made by Obama more than anything.

So one of the Iranians said it. But isn't it pretty easy to verify whether he is lying or not? I mean, you just read the koran and either it's there or it isn't. Not rocket science.

And if he's lying, what is the relevance of, "if he is telling the truth, then...."?

Quote:So if deals are pointless, our only option is to invade. Israel isn't going to. So you are saying we should invade then. When? What is the endgame? Who else do we need to invade to help Israel?

No, we also have the option of dealing with a nuclear Iran. The elephant in that room is that there are ample reasons to believe that Iran has significant imperial ambitions, at least regionally, and that pretty much differentiates them from other members of the nuke club.

If Israel decides to take them out, I would anticipate that most of the Arab countries would help, albeit in under the table ways. As I said before, the big piece that we are missing here in the states is the imperial ambitions of the Aryan empire.

Quote:The threat against Iran that if they use a nuke, then we will nuke them, I really can't disagree with, though I haven't thought about the potential repercussions of that too much.

It's not my favorite idea. But at the end of the day, deals won't work, so if nobody invades then this is what we are left with. And for the record, I would not favor our invading them.

(02-10-2015 01:41 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 01:28 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 01:25 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Did he really say that? What. An. Idiot.

Libs? Any defense?

Redwingtom will certainly show up to defend the indefensible.

Clearly, because you are apparently not able to understand what Obama said.

He clearly said that their Supreme leader says it's against their religion. And IF that is true, there should be a possibility of getting a deal done with them.

One of the central tenets of Islam is that it is permissible to lie to advance the spread of Islam. We can't believe a word he says.

(02-11-2015 06:54 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 05:44 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  If Obama didn't care, he wouldn't be wasting his time trying to make a deal.

Au contraire, wasting time on a deal that won't accomplish anything is perfect. He looks like he cares, for political purposes, without actually doing anything that accomplishes anything.

Quote:The point was that one of the Iranians they're working with said that it was against their religion. So IF that's true, then they should be okay with the deal offered. I'm pretty sure the Koran is silent on the subject of nuclear weapons so obviously that would require a certain interpretation that could change at any time. I'm not arguing that point. It was a rhetorical point being made by Obama more than anything.

So one of the Iranians said it. But isn't it pretty easy to verify whether he is lying or not? I mean, you just read the koran and either it's there or it isn't. Not rocket science.

And if he's lying, what is the relevance of, "if he is telling the truth, then...."?

Quote:So if deals are pointless, our only option is to invade. Israel isn't going to. So you are saying we should invade then. When? What is the endgame? Who else do we need to invade to help Israel?

No, we also have the option of dealing with a nuclear Iran. The elephant in that room is that there are ample reasons to believe that Iran has significant imperial ambitions, at least regionally, and that pretty much differentiates them from other members of the nuke club.

If Israel decides to take them out, I would anticipate that most of the Arab countries would help, albeit in under the table ways. As I said before, the big piece that we are missing here in the states is the imperial ambitions of the Aryan empire.

Quote:The threat against Iran that if they use a nuke, then we will nuke them, I really can't disagree with, though I haven't thought about the potential repercussions of that too much.

It's not my favorite idea. But at the end of the day, deals won't work, so if nobody invades then this is what we are left with. And for the record, I would not favor our invading them.

Nor would I, and nor would Obama. And the Iranians know this as well. But there's nothing Obama can do short of that, that will stop them, most likely. He's trying to make a deal because it's the only other option, but we all know that Iran is unlikely to go for that. They want the U.S. to leave them alone to build their nukes, so they claim some reason, in this case religious, that they can be trusted. The obvious response is, if you can't build nukes, you should be okay with the deal that allows them nuclear power but not nukes.

So we can stop claiming that Obama is "screwing up" when there's nothing else he can do, other than trying to make a deal with them, short of invading Iran, that will keep them from getting a nuke. Sanctions won't work, obviously.

(02-11-2015 07:38 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 01:41 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 01:28 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 01:25 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Did he really say that? What. An. Idiot.

Libs? Any defense?

Redwingtom will certainly show up to defend the indefensible.

Clearly, because you are apparently not able to understand what Obama said.

He clearly said that their Supreme leader says it's against their religion. And IF that is true, there should be a possibility of getting a deal done with them.

One of the central tenets of Islam is that it is permissible to lie to advance the spread of Islam. We can't believe a word he says.

When you're negotiating on the world stage, it's very rare than you can believe a word the other side says.

(02-11-2015 04:52 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 04:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 03:15 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yes he cares...and has said many times that he doesn't want it and we won't allow them to do it. Of course those words mean nothing to the haters.

He lies about everything else, why would this be different?

bull****.

Actually, according to David Axelrod, no Right Wing Waco he, this is a pretty accurate statement.
Lest we also forget
Shovel ready jobs that weren't so shovel ready
Passing a stimulus so unemployment won't go above 8%
If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor
Not one iota of corruption
The ACA won't add one dime to the deficit
Gitmo releases won't go back to fighting for ISIS Et al

(02-12-2015 01:32 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 04:52 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 04:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 03:15 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yes he cares...and has said many times that he doesn't want it and we won't allow them to do it. Of course those words mean nothing to the haters.

He lies about everything else, why would this be different?

bull****.

Actually, according to David Axelrod, no Right Wing Waco he, this is a pretty accurate statement.
Lest we also forget
Shovel ready jobs that weren't so shovel ready
Passing a stimulus so unemployment won't go above 8%
If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor
Not one iota of corruption
The ACA won't add one dime to the deficit
Gitmo releases won't go back to fighting for ISIS Et al

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(02-12-2015 01:44 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(02-12-2015 01:32 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 04:52 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 04:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 03:15 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yes he cares...and has said many times that he doesn't want it and we won't allow them to do it. Of course those words mean nothing to the haters.

He lies about everything else, why would this be different?

bull****.

Actually, according to David Axelrod, no Right Wing Waco he, this is a pretty accurate statement.
Lest we also forget
Shovel ready jobs that weren't so shovel ready
Passing a stimulus so unemployment won't go above 8%
If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor
Not one iota of corruption
The ACA won't add one dime to the deficit
Gitmo releases won't go back to fighting for ISIS Et al

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=lis...es&start=0
Here are 970 well sourced examples of Obama's lying ...
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Aug 15, 2013 - I ask you to please show this list to as many people as possible – and ... So when Obama broke these promises, it felt so much worse than ..

Aug 18, 2013 - So when Obama broke these promises, it felt so much worse than when ... Some of the things on this list are major events that should scare the ...
The Obameter: Campaign Promises that are Promise Broken
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Sources provided. Let's all eagerly await Redwingtom's response..

I know that when I want facts, I first turn to danfromsquirrelhill followed by infowars.

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I think the focus on the bomb itself it the wrong approach. Iran is certainly going to get it and nothing is going to stop them from doing so. More importantly, if we left the Russians and the Chinese get nukes, there is little justification that could stipulate denying Iran. I think attention needs to shift towards delivery system instead.