(02-10-2015 11:09 AM)CincyDave Wrote:  Iowa State seems a bit suprsing to me and not sure why UTEP is on there.

SMU alreay got shut down once, as we all know from the 30 for 30.

Eastern Mich probably should have gone back to FCS years ago. Can't compete with UofMich minutes away.

UConn, Indiana and Kansas are pretty obvious bottom feeders in the money confrences.

For the sake of the article's subject matter, I was also caught off-guard by some of the schools on this list, a few of them made it to a bowl game this past season, too, didn't they? That used to mean something at one time or another, a sign of progress. What I wouldn't mind seeing is a trend of P5 also rans rise up and shock the world by winning their conferences, can you imagine the looks on the faces of Corso or Herbstreit if Indiana or Northwestern won the Big 10, or Vanderbilt the SEC?

(02-11-2015 01:26 PM)Matrix Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 12:40 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 08:36 PM)Matrix Wrote:  But one cannot make bricks without straw (see the 10 Commandments) ...

??

Thou Shalt Not Make Bricks Without Straw? I missed that one.

But Googling around, I see that "bricks without straw" is "a phrase which refers to a task which must be done without appropriate resources" ... and is based on the story, told in the Bible's book of Exodus (Chapter 5), of Moses, Aaron, the enslaved Israelites in Egypt and the Pharaoh.

While adobe bricks are still made today around the world by air-drying a mixture of clay and straw, they have relatively low strength. Collapsed adobe structures during relatively moderate earthquakes cause many deaths and displacements in poor areas.

Modern bricks are typically mixtures of clay and sand -- "without straw" -- that are hardened to a much higher strength when baked in a kiln.

Maybe the Commandment should be: "Thou Shalt Bake Your Bricks Without Straw." (And then further reinforce that structure against earthquakes.) :-)

I love this post. Knowledge is such a great thing to pass along!

You don't know what you don't know.

I have my own list of programs that "should" suffer this fate:

1. Alabama
2. Penn State
3. Baylor
4. Miami
5. North Carolina
6. Notre Dame
7. Florida State

Zero NCAA violations by UAB. Ever (one of 17 programs that can claim that, two others are in CUSA). I guess now we know what we were doing wrong.

FAU should be shut down despite new stadium and new IPF and athletic & academic center under construction? Honestly the lack of research these "journalists" do for these "reports" is astonishing. What did this person major in, psychology?

(02-11-2015 01:56 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 01:26 PM)Matrix Wrote:  

(02-11-2015 12:40 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 08:36 PM)Matrix Wrote:  But one cannot make bricks without straw (see the 10 Commandments) ...

??

Thou Shalt Not Make Bricks Without Straw? I missed that one.

But Googling around, I see that "bricks without straw" is "a phrase which refers to a task which must be done without appropriate resources" ... and is based on the story, told in the Bible's book of Exodus (Chapter 5), of Moses, Aaron, the enslaved Israelites in Egypt and the Pharaoh.

While adobe bricks are still made today around the world by air-drying a mixture of clay and straw, they have relatively low strength. Collapsed adobe structures during relatively moderate earthquakes cause many deaths and displacements in poor areas.

Modern bricks are typically mixtures of clay and sand -- "without straw" -- that are hardened to a much higher strength when baked in a kiln.

Maybe the Commandment should be: "Thou Shalt Bake Your Bricks Without Straw." (And then further reinforce that structure against earthquakes.) :-)

I love this post. Knowledge is such a great thing to pass along!

You don't know what you don't know.

I have my own list of programs that "should" suffer this fate:

1. Alabama
2. Penn State
3. Baylor
4. Miami
5. North Carolina
6. Notre Dame
7. Florida State

Zero NCAA violations by UAB. Ever (one of 17 programs that can claim that, two others are in CUSA). I guess now we know what we were doing wrong.

THIS!

The "reporter" majored in selective knowledge.

This qualifies him to report to those who don't want to hear ALL the facts(unfortunately thats a lot of folks).

1-Louisiana Monroe No hope of keeping up in today's d-1
2-New Mexico StateDefinitely mid level risk here
3-UTEP UTEP gets solid basketball support and when they were winning in the past they drew large FB crowds. I don't see any danger
4-Iowa State P5 and huge revenue sharing. They can suck and make bank
5-TempleInteresting part with Temple is the very expensive rental agreement for FB games. I honestly could see a mid level risk if things went really bad. They need an OCS bad.
6-Eastern Michigan No hope of keeping up in today's d-1
7-UMassNo hope of keeping up in today's d-1 if they can't get into a FB conference
8-KansasP5 and huge revenue sharing. They can suck and make bank
9-Kent StateNo hope of keeping up in today's d-1
10-SMUPretty big supply of big donors. Nice to have GW sitting court-side at most hoops games. Very low risk
11-UConnVery large athletic budget and state flagship school. Zero danger
12-Florida InternationalLarge school so they can really piggy back off the student fees to get by even though the fan support is really bad for both FB and BB. Low to Medium risk just based on the school size and getting athletic fees
13-IndianaP5 and huge revenue sharing. They can suck and make bank
14-Florida Atlantic Maybe not the greatest support, but they already have the stadium in place and enough student fees to cover anything. Low risk to me. They seem to be on much better footing than FIU from an outsider prospective
15-Nevada Las Vegas...Very large athletic budget and good support in hoops. I think this is low risk here.

(02-10-2015 01:02 PM)Cscollis Wrote:  The problem is the lower standards for 1a FBS. In 88, you had to have a 30k seat stadium and have 20k attendance. They need to mandate attendance of 20k or to FCS you go.

Wrong....

You "have" to have 15K in average tickets sold per game once every two years now. And if that rule was being actively enforced (which it certainly is not) then FBS would already be down several programs. The reason it isn't being enforced now is because the upper echelon doesn't want it enforced.

(02-10-2015 11:51 AM)chidave Wrote:  Don't waste your time reading that "article", I'll never get that three minutes of my life back.....

Correct. Blog posts are not articles.

There is no way Kansas or Indiana or Iowa State shuts down their football program.

(02-10-2015 07:00 PM)Herd_fever Wrote:  Those bottom 6 teams have no excuse on why they can't get atleast 20k next year

Ah, bias. I love it. Why not the bottom 9 teams? Why not set the bar at 50,000 attendance? Or how about we just say that there is no excuse to allow the State of West Virginia to play football? I love how we humans can justify any piece of information that satisfies our own agenda and then try to enforce our own biased opinions on those that we believe are inferior or less worthy.

For example, I don't believe that West Virginia should be allowed to play football because they have to import all of their players from out-of-state. There is no excuse why WVU and Marshall shouldn't be recruiting exclusively from within the State. And I'm sure there are plenty of people that detest WVU so lets make it happen!!!

ULM is definitely on the list. (Along with a few FCS programs in LA).

The upcoming legislative session in Louisiana is going to be interesting. There likely won't be any action taken this year, but the higher ed winners and losers are being identified. Next year's budget shortfall is looking mighty grim, and Jindal is not going to do anything but place it in the lap of the next governor.

(02-10-2015 01:41 PM)Herd_fever Wrote:  For a small school in a small town that's in a 5 hour radius of WVU, UK, Louisville, Ohio State, Pitt, VT, UVA, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, and Tennessee.

We do quite well as far attendence and we have the potential to be bigger

Sounds like a bad excuse to me. Your attendance needs to be at least 40,000. No excuses!!! I love how you are so proud of your attendance when some in the NCAA would love to take out all the G5 teams. Think that any school in the SEC thinks that your attendance is worthy? Yet you feel completely justified and even authorized to mandate what C-USA should do to any team that you don't like or feel is unworthy. And I find this arrogance in many, not all, of the Marshall fans on here. Some of you guys need a reality check.

It's basically a list of schools that either suck at everything or are really good at basketball, but struggle at football. Just a dumb list.

(02-11-2015 09:45 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  1-Louisiana Monroe No hope of keeping up in today's d-1
2-New Mexico StateDefinitely mid level risk here
3-UTEP UTEP gets solid basketball support and when they were winning in the past they drew large FB crowds. I don't see any danger
4-Iowa State P5 and huge revenue sharing. They can suck and make bank
5-TempleInteresting part with Temple is the very expensive rental agreement for FB games. I honestly could see a mid level risk if things went really bad. They need an OCS bad.
6-Eastern Michigan No hope of keeping up in today's d-1
7-UMassNo hope of keeping up in today's d-1 if they can't get into a FB conference
8-KansasP5 and huge revenue sharing. They can suck and make bank
9-Kent StateNo hope of keeping up in today's d-1
10-SMUPretty big supply of big donors. Nice to have GW sitting court-side at most hoops games. Very low risk
11-UConnVery large athletic budget and state flagship school. Zero danger
12-Florida InternationalLarge school so they can really piggy back off the student fees to get by even though the fan support is really bad for both FB and BB. Low to Medium risk just based on the school size and getting athletic fees
13-IndianaP5 and huge revenue sharing. They can suck and make bank
14-Florida Atlantic Maybe not the greatest support, but they already have the stadium in place and enough student fees to cover anything. Low risk to me. They seem to be on much better footing than FIU from an outsider prospective
15-Nevada Las Vegas...Very large athletic budget and good support in hoops. I think this is low risk here.

Very good break down and I agree with all of it. Unfortunately Kent State is doing a study right now on athletics and the AD recently said "Anything is on the table". Really sucks for Kent State and admittedly I have a soft spot for Mac schools having been in that conference in the past.

(02-12-2015 09:27 AM)TheFIUtheproud Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 07:00 PM)Herd_fever Wrote:  Those bottom 6 teams have no excuse on why they can't get atleast 20k next year

Ah, bias. I love it. Why not the bottom 9 teams? Why not set the bar at 50,000 attendance? Or how about we just say that there is no excuse to allow the State of West Virginia to play football? I love how we humans can justify any piece of information that satisfies our own agenda and then try to enforce our own biased opinions on those that we believe are inferior or less worthy.

For example, I don't believe that West Virginia should be allowed to play football because they have to import all of their players from out-of-state. There is no excuse why WVU and Marshall shouldn't be recruiting exclusively from within the State. And I'm sure there are plenty of people that detest WVU so lets make it happen!!!

No reason to get your panties in a wad. I think what the previous poster is basically saying that D-1 schools should show a minimum level of support with fans and facilities or move down a level. At some point I expect the NCAA to really start enforcing that minimum 15k average per game rule. If that happens, we'll be seeing many schools being forced down.

(02-12-2015 10:12 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  No reason to get your panties in a wad. I think what the previous poster is basically saying that D-1 schools should show a minimum level of support with fans and facilities or move down a level. At some point I expect the NCAA to really start enforcing that minimum 15k average per game rule. If that happens, we'll be seeing many schools being forced down.

Right. And that happens the day after C-USA no longer allows non-qualifiers to be recruited to their athletic programs.

(02-12-2015 10:48 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(02-12-2015 10:12 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  No reason to get your panties in a wad. I think what the previous poster is basically saying that D-1 schools should show a minimum level of support with fans and facilities or move down a level. At some point I expect the NCAA to really start enforcing that minimum 15k average per game rule. If that happens, we'll be seeing many schools being forced down.

Right. And that happens the day after C-USA no longer allows non-qualifiers to be recruited to their athletic programs.

What does non-qualifiers have anything to do with an NCAA rule that states schools with less than 15k average cant stay at the FBS level? There are schools all over the country that take in non qualifiers. Just sounds like to me you are a little upset about us coming in and taking some recruits from the South Florida area. Get over it. Schools all over the country recruit that area.

(02-12-2015 12:49 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  What does non-qualifiers have anything to do with an NCAA rule that states schools with less than 15k average cant stay at the FBS level? There are schools all over the country that take in non qualifiers. Just sounds like to me you are a little upset about us coming in and taking some recruits from the South Florida area. Get over it. Schools all over the country recruit that area.

LOL!!! Upset Marshall comes into S. Florida to recruit? Please, you're hardly noticed.

Non-qualifiers goes to point out that all of our schools have warts and for some to come on here and pound the drum about attendance is disingenuous.

Why do some of these morons come here and do the P5's work for them? We should be supporting each other, but until that day we are little more than a bunch of rag-tag children running the streets fighting over scraps in the alley. Wake-up and turn your pitchforks outward.

(02-10-2015 10:33 AM)Matrix Wrote:  Was wondering if anyone else saw this before I did a couple of days ago? This was on the Rant Sports.com site (dated 12/2/14), they had each team ranked and 4 of the 15 programs are in Conference USA. Remember the dialogue we shared a while back about them coming after the so-called "little" programs someday, if you don't have a seat at the dinner table, you are probably on the menu..." And by the way, I don't approve of shutting down a football program one tiny bit, let alone someone suggesting that they do...They need to be stopped before they get started. Long Live Conference USA.

1-Louisiana Monroe
2-New Mexico State
3-UTEP
4-Iowa State
5-Temple
6-Eastern Michigan
7-UMass
8-Kansas
9-Kent State
10-SMU
11-UConn
12-Florida International
13-Indiana
14-Florida Atlantic
15-Nevada Las Vegas...

I think your greatest risk factors are the following 10. This is based on funding, attendance, bad conference fit, facilities, etc... Out of this group, I would say Idaho, San Jose, FIU, and UMASS would be the biggest four candidates to just move down to FCS. The MAC schools (not counting UMASS) won't drop down because they have so many rivalries in place.

1. FIU
2. Idaho
3. EMU
4. UMASS
5. Kent St
6. ULM
7. NMSU
8. Ball State
9. Akron
10. San Jose

There's no way UTEP, UCONN, SMU, or any P5 schools should be on the list.

(02-12-2015 01:29 PM)jay2000 Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 10:33 AM)Matrix Wrote:  Was wondering if anyone else saw this before I did a couple of days ago? This was on the Rant Sports.com site (dated 12/2/14), they had each team ranked and 4 of the 15 programs are in Conference USA. Remember the dialogue we shared a while back about them coming after the so-called "little" programs someday, if you don't have a seat at the dinner table, you are probably on the menu..." And by the way, I don't approve of shutting down a football program one tiny bit, let alone someone suggesting that they do...They need to be stopped before they get started. Long Live Conference USA.

1-Louisiana Monroe
2-New Mexico State
3-UTEP
4-Iowa State
5-Temple
6-Eastern Michigan
7-UMass
8-Kansas
9-Kent State
10-SMU
11-UConn
12-Florida International
13-Indiana
14-Florida Atlantic
15-Nevada Las Vegas...

I think your greatest risk factors are the following 10. This is based on funding, attendance, bad conference fit, facilities, etc... Out of this group, I would say Idaho, San Jose, FIU, and UMASS would be the biggest four candidates to just move down to FCS. The MAC schools (not counting UMASS) won't drop down because they have so many rivalries in place.

1. FIU
2. Idaho
3. EMU
4. UMASS
5. Kent St
6. ULM
7. NMSU
8. Ball State
9. Akron
10. San Jose

There's no way UTEP, UCONN, SMU, or any P5 schools should be on the list.

What about Georgia State and Troy? Dont think those would be in the list?

(02-11-2015 09:45 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  1-Louisiana Monroe No hope of keeping up in today's d-1
2-New Mexico StateDefinitely mid level risk here
3-UTEP UTEP gets solid basketball support and when they were winning in the past they drew large FB crowds. I don't see any danger
4-Iowa State P5 and huge revenue sharing. They can suck and make bank
5-TempleInteresting part with Temple is the very expensive rental agreement for FB games. I honestly could see a mid level risk if things went really bad. They need an OCS bad.
6-Eastern Michigan No hope of keeping up in today's d-1
7-UMassNo hope of keeping up in today's d-1 if they can't get into a FB conference
8-KansasP5 and huge revenue sharing. They can suck and make bank
9-Kent StateNo hope of keeping up in today's d-1
10-SMUPretty big supply of big donors. Nice to have GW sitting court-side at most hoops games. Very low risk
11-UConnVery large athletic budget and state flagship school. Zero danger
12-Florida InternationalLarge school so they can really piggy back off the student fees to get by even though the fan support is really bad for both FB and BB. Low to Medium risk just based on the school size and getting athletic fees
13-IndianaP5 and huge revenue sharing. They can suck and make bank
14-Florida Atlantic Maybe not the greatest support, but they already have the stadium in place and enough student fees to cover anything. Low risk to me. They seem to be on much better footing than FIU from an outsider prospective
15-Nevada Las Vegas...Very large athletic budget and good support in hoops. I think this is low risk here.

well done.....you basically said it's all about money......it always is, always will be.....