(02-10-2015 01:45 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Just cook your own damn food and if you are "too busy" during the week, take some time out on your Sunday and cook things you can freeze. I have no sympathy for those that don't eat well. I'm not lean, but my blood tests come back impeccable, so I can live with that.

That's what my wife does... cooks on Sunday for the whole week. Without her, I'd be either going out or melting cheese on doritos in the microwave every night. Maybe spoil myself with a cheap piece of steak on the George Foreman from time to time. Definitely a lot of take out Chinese.

(02-10-2015 03:02 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 02:02 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  In all honesty, sometimes it is fun.

I don't doubt it one bit, I would probably do better here after hours... But sadly I don't get any OT since I'm on salary, and though I'll go above and beyond, a whole week's worth of work for free would be pushing it.

I can understand that.

Unfortunately for me, responsibility rests entirely on me as to wether or not it gets done and the outcome is what we want.

(02-10-2015 03:02 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 02:02 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  In all honesty, sometimes it is fun.

I don't doubt it one bit, I would probably do better here after hours... But sadly I don't get any OT since I'm on salary, and though I'll go above and beyond, a whole week's worth of work for free would be pushing it.

I do better after hours. That is when the bottle of bourbon gets pulled out of my desk drawer and I loosen up a little... and waste much less time knowing I have to finish something to leave.

(02-09-2015 10:45 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

Quote: So my oldest daughter [Malia], who was probably 8 at the time, he took a block of cheese and he said, if you can cut this cheese up into the powder that is the cheese of the boxed macaroni and cheese, then we’ll use it. She sat there for 30 minutes trying to pulverize a block of cheese into dust. I mean, she was really focused on it, and it just didn’t work, so she had to give up.

If that were my child and she had really tried that, I would not be telling the story in public. I'm pretty sure she is once again lying, and it's kind of pathetic of her to resort to lying in order to say "we chose not to use powdered flavoring in our mac and cheese". Good for you. Now **** off.

(02-10-2015 03:40 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 10:45 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

Quote: So my oldest daughter [Malia], who was probably 8 at the time, he took a block of cheese and he said, if you can cut this cheese up into the powder that is the cheese of the boxed macaroni and cheese, then we’ll use it. She sat there for 30 minutes trying to pulverize a block of cheese into dust. I mean, she was really focused on it, and it just didn’t work, so she had to give up.

If that were my child and she had really tried that, I would not be telling the story in public. I'm pretty sure she is once again lying, and it's kind of pathetic of her to resort to lying in order to say "we chose not to use powdered flavoring in our mac and cheese". Good for you. Now **** off.

When you're the First Lady, convention says you must have a cause (aka become a busybody). She chose Mac 'N Cheese. [shrug]

(02-10-2015 03:47 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 03:40 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(02-09-2015 10:45 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

Quote:So my oldest daughter [Malia], who was probably 8 at the time, he took a block of cheese and he said, if you can cut this cheese up into the powder that is the cheese of the boxed macaroni and cheese, then we’ll use it. She sat there for 30 minutes trying to pulverize a block of cheese into dust. I mean, she was really focused on it, and it just didn’t work, so she had to give up.

If that were my child and she had really tried that, I would not be telling the story in public. I'm pretty sure she is once again lying, and it's kind of pathetic of her to resort to lying in order to say "we chose not to use powdered flavoring in our mac and cheese". Good for you. Now **** off.

When you're the First Lady, convention says you must have a cause (aka become a busybody). She chose Mac 'N Cheese. [shrug]

All in all, she probably does less damage there than anyone else. Kind of like her husband on the golf course.

(02-10-2015 11:19 AM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  my wife does a mac n cheese at Thanksgiving and Christmas every year that costs about $30 to make. It has 7 kinds of cheese, heavy cream, and so good it'll make you slap your mother!

This has a lot to do with how I gained about 12-15 pounds in two days over the holidays this year, which is why I've been counting calories ever since.

(02-10-2015 11:15 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Working out speeds up your metabolism. The workout itself may have been 16 pounds, but it is like taking a turkey out of the oven and it continues cooking. If I go for a 10 mile run, I can feel my legs and my ass burning and working all day, even if on the couch watching basketball.

One of the arguments I've heard is that when you work out, you generally eat to compensate... so you may burn 2000 calories, but your diet will go from 2500 calories to 4500 calories when you do so (see the post about Michael Phelps 12000 calorie diet... the average american would break the scales with that kind of diet).

(02-10-2015 10:49 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Science doesn't know what we should eat. They pretend like they do, but it changes every 6 months. I would think that the weight gain has less to do with processed foods than sitting around all day.

Just this morning I heard on the radio about a study that we shouldn't avoid fat (not that new) or even red meat.

The irony about the Obamas is this... if they want to improve Americans' health in a cost effective manner, the most effective way the government could do this is to get out of the business of recommending what we eat, other than to say that most of our diet should come from natural grown foods (beef, chicken, fish, veggies, fruits, whole grains).

There was a book a few years ago about the restaurant industry called "Sugar, Fat and Salt", with the thesis that food at restaurants had to combine those three basic components in order to have any chance of enticing return customers. Well, the Government has recommended that two of those are bad for diet, but they did so without any sound scientific basis to do so. Of the options of a low salt, typical, or high salt diet, by far the most dangerous for most Americans (i.e. those without high blood pressure) is the low salt diet. But, the recommendation of going to a low fat diet has had tremendous negative impact on the health of Americans, and ditching the Snackwells alone would probably have far, far, greater effect on Americans' health than even the most deranged Obamacare supporters could imagine that it would have.

You have to wonder why the government has pushed so hard on dietary choices for which they did not have scientific or evidentiary basis. I believe it is because if they did not push for some agenda, then they were absolutely useless, failing to recognize the harm they could do by pushing the wrong agenda... they gambled and lost out of the "first lady's" conceit that they must push some agenda. This typifies the conception that I have held of people who are "less than worthless"... i.e. whatever they are doing is more detrimental than if they sat in a corner and did nothing. I've worked with my share of those folks.

edit: tip of the hat to Owl 69/70/75 to sneak in a post to reinforce that last point...

(02-10-2015 10:40 AM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 10:37 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 10:33 AM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  Shes not wrong. The stuff is terrible for you, and food that like is a reason Americans are getting fat. That being said, there really isn't much we can do about it.

As to "real" food being too expensive, my grocery bill is about $130 per month and I only buy produce, meat, eggs, and a loaf of bread every week. That is compared to $200 when I used to buy packaged and processed food.

Kraft Mac and Cheese has been around since 1937. I doubt it has anything to do with Americans getting fat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraft_Dinner

If people ate packaged stuff like that only on occasion, sure it won't kill you. Just as having a delivery pizza once every few weeks won't kill you. But many people eat this "convenient food" for every meal. Sugary cereal for breakfast, fast food for lunch, then a boxed Hamburger Helper type thing for dinner. That stuff starts to add up.

Back in the 30s and 40s, I bet kids weren't eating Kraft Mac and Cheese that often, their moms were probably making real mac and cheese.

Mom could afford to stay home in the 30's & 40's. Now she has to work to pay high taxes and for mandated health insurance.

(02-10-2015 11:00 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 09:45 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 09:43 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  I see the usual suspects on this board haven't defended her yet.

Her whole school lunch program overhaul has been a failure.

It's not hers. Stop lying.

When you voluntarily take it upon yourself to be the public face of something you take ownership of it.

(02-10-2015 03:06 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 03:02 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 02:02 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  In all honesty, sometimes it is fun.

I don't doubt it one bit, I would probably do better here after hours... But sadly I don't get any OT since I'm on salary, and though I'll go above and beyond, a whole week's worth of work for free would be pushing it.

I can understand that.

Unfortunately for me, responsibility rests entirely on me as to wether or not it gets done and the outcome is what we want.

Same here, the only reason I would have to stay over is for a Request For Proposal, I'm my own boss when it comes to those and sometimes they can take four days to prepare while I get the go-ahead to do them three days before they're due.

Back to Moochelle...if she can invade my refridgerator and tell me what should be in it, then I can invade her bedroom and tell her who should be in it. She just needs to STFU and go away. The country won't miss her, believe me.

(02-10-2015 04:48 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Back to Moochelle...if she can invade my refridgerator and tell me what should be in it, then I can invade her bedroom and tell her who should be in it. She just needs to STFU and go away. The country won't miss her, believe me.

Amen to that!

(02-10-2015 04:47 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 03:06 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 03:02 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 02:02 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  In all honesty, sometimes it is fun.

I don't doubt it one bit, I would probably do better here after hours... But sadly I don't get any OT since I'm on salary, and though I'll go above and beyond, a whole week's worth of work for free would be pushing it.

I can understand that.

Unfortunately for me, responsibility rests entirely on me as to wether or not it gets done and the outcome is what we want.

Same here, the only reason I would have to stay over is for a Request For Proposal, I'm my own boss when it comes to those and sometimes they can take four days to prepare while I get the go-ahead to do them three days before they're due.

What kind of work are you in BTW?

(02-10-2015 04:47 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 03:06 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 03:02 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 02:02 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  In all honesty, sometimes it is fun.

I don't doubt it one bit, I would probably do better here after hours... But sadly I don't get any OT since I'm on salary, and though I'll go above and beyond, a whole week's worth of work for free would be pushing it.

I can understand that.

Unfortunately for me, responsibility rests entirely on me as to wether or not it gets done and the outcome is what we want.

Same here, the only reason I would have to stay over is for a Request For Proposal, I'm my own boss when it comes to those and sometimes they can take four days to prepare while I get the go-ahead to do them three days before they're due.

Ugh!

Even after being a part of RFP's on the other side of the board I am really starting to hate them on this side. I do a little part-time work for a friend of mine who is a small fire equipment dealer and have been helping him work on bid packages since deer season ended. I wish more agencies had the philosophy that my former agency did that if you limit the superfluous legalese and make exactly what you want clear it's far easier for everybody involved. I know on the agency end when we did that we had fewer problems upon delivery, and on the vendor side it makes for far fewer headaches. The way some of these agencies have written theirs makes it impossible to determine what exactly it is they want, and I'm someone who should have a better idea than some mook who thinks a Halligan Bar is a chain of Irish themed pubs.

This is what the Obama children will be dining on at the Sidwell School today:

Quote:Borscht
Marinated Cucumbers and Tomatoes
Butternut Squash and
Cranberry Salad
All Natural Beef Stroganoff
Three Mushroom Stroganoff
Garlic Haricot Verts
Egg Noodles

Melon

(02-10-2015 04:12 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 11:19 AM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  my wife does a mac n cheese at Thanksgiving and Christmas every year that costs about $30 to make. It has 7 kinds of cheese, heavy cream, and so good it'll make you slap your mother!

This has a lot to do with how I gained about 12-15 pounds in two days over the holidays this year, which is why I've been counting calories ever since.

(02-10-2015 11:15 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Working out speeds up your metabolism. The workout itself may have been 16 pounds, but it is like taking a turkey out of the oven and it continues cooking. If I go for a 10 mile run, I can feel my legs and my ass burning and working all day, even if on the couch watching basketball.

One of the arguments I've heard is that when you work out, you generally eat to compensate... so you may burn 2000 calories, but your diet will go from 2500 calories to 4500 calories when you do so (see the post about Michael Phelps 12000 calorie diet... the average american would break the scales with that kind of diet).

(02-10-2015 10:49 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Science doesn't know what we should eat. They pretend like they do, but it changes every 6 months. I would think that the weight gain has less to do with processed foods than sitting around all day.

Just this morning I heard on the radio about a study that we shouldn't avoid fat (not that new) or even red meat.

The irony about the Obamas is this... if they want to improve Americans' health in a cost effective manner, the most effective way the government could do this is to get out of the business of recommending what we eat, other than to say that most of our diet should come from natural grown foods (beef, chicken, fish, veggies, fruits, whole grains).

There was a book a few years ago about the restaurant industry called "Sugar, Fat and Salt", with the thesis that food at restaurants had to combine those three basic components in order to have any chance of enticing return customers. Well, the Government has recommended that two of those are bad for diet, but they did so without any sound scientific basis to do so. Of the options of a low salt, typical, or high salt diet, by far the most dangerous for most Americans (i.e. those without high blood pressure) is the low salt diet. But, the recommendation of going to a low fat diet has had tremendous negative impact on the health of Americans, and ditching the Snackwells alone would probably have far, far, greater effect on Americans' health than even the most deranged Obamacare supporters could imagine that it would have.

You have to wonder why the government has pushed so hard on dietary choices for which they did not have scientific or evidentiary basis. I believe it is because if they did not push for some agenda, then they were absolutely useless, failing to recognize the harm they could do by pushing the wrong agenda... they gambled and lost out of the "first lady's" conceit that they must push some agenda. This typifies the conception that I have held of people who are "less than worthless"... i.e. whatever they are doing is more detrimental than if they sat in a corner and did nothing. I've worked with my share of those folks.

edit: tip of the hat to Owl 69/70/75 to sneak in a post to reinforce that last point...

It's possible that you eat to compensate, though I wonder if it depends on the kind of exercise. Weightlifting I could see causing you to eat more. When I'm done running I'm more thirsty than hungry.

By the way, don't eat bacon and THEN go running long distance. It doesn't work well LOL.

(02-12-2015 11:33 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  By the way, don't eat bacon and THEN go running long distance. It doesn't work well LOL.

Running much of any distance over 40 yards never works well for me ... I do best within the confines of a 120x80 yard field, so I'd never know. I should, but I don't.

(02-12-2015 11:33 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 04:12 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 11:19 AM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  my wife does a mac n cheese at Thanksgiving and Christmas every year that costs about $30 to make. It has 7 kinds of cheese, heavy cream, and so good it'll make you slap your mother!

This has a lot to do with how I gained about 12-15 pounds in two days over the holidays this year, which is why I've been counting calories ever since.

(02-10-2015 11:15 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Working out speeds up your metabolism. The workout itself may have been 16 pounds, but it is like taking a turkey out of the oven and it continues cooking. If I go for a 10 mile run, I can feel my legs and my ass burning and working all day, even if on the couch watching basketball.

One of the arguments I've heard is that when you work out, you generally eat to compensate... so you may burn 2000 calories, but your diet will go from 2500 calories to 4500 calories when you do so (see the post about Michael Phelps 12000 calorie diet... the average american would break the scales with that kind of diet).

(02-10-2015 10:49 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Science doesn't know what we should eat. They pretend like they do, but it changes every 6 months. I would think that the weight gain has less to do with processed foods than sitting around all day.

Just this morning I heard on the radio about a study that we shouldn't avoid fat (not that new) or even red meat.

The irony about the Obamas is this... if they want to improve Americans' health in a cost effective manner, the most effective way the government could do this is to get out of the business of recommending what we eat, other than to say that most of our diet should come from natural grown foods (beef, chicken, fish, veggies, fruits, whole grains).

There was a book a few years ago about the restaurant industry called "Sugar, Fat and Salt", with the thesis that food at restaurants had to combine those three basic components in order to have any chance of enticing return customers. Well, the Government has recommended that two of those are bad for diet, but they did so without any sound scientific basis to do so. Of the options of a low salt, typical, or high salt diet, by far the most dangerous for most Americans (i.e. those without high blood pressure) is the low salt diet. But, the recommendation of going to a low fat diet has had tremendous negative impact on the health of Americans, and ditching the Snackwells alone would probably have far, far, greater effect on Americans' health than even the most deranged Obamacare supporters could imagine that it would have.

You have to wonder why the government has pushed so hard on dietary choices for which they did not have scientific or evidentiary basis. I believe it is because if they did not push for some agenda, then they were absolutely useless, failing to recognize the harm they could do by pushing the wrong agenda... they gambled and lost out of the "first lady's" conceit that they must push some agenda. This typifies the conception that I have held of people who are "less than worthless"... i.e. whatever they are doing is more detrimental than if they sat in a corner and did nothing. I've worked with my share of those folks.

edit: tip of the hat to Owl 69/70/75 to sneak in a post to reinforce that last point...

It's possible that you eat to compensate, though I wonder if it depends on the kind of exercise. Weightlifting I could see causing you to eat more. When I'm done running I'm more thirsty than hungry.

By the way, don't eat bacon and THEN go running long distance. It doesn't work well LOL.

If I go on a Sunday morning long run, I am pretty much guaranteed not to eat at all until dinner, though I will drink 400 calories in Gatorade.