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RE: Aresco on AAC FB: "to be viewed as competitve with the other five conferences...
(02-09-2015 06:16 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
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(02-09-2015 06:07 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  I think the proof is in the pudding when it comes to what G-5 conference will be the superior conference. The AAC absolutely has the best potential to be best G-5 conference just based on markets alone. But with the uncertainty that surrounds the conference, the AAC growth and potential domination of the G-5 conferences will be stunt by instability. OTOH, the MWC has been the most stable and successful G-5 conference period. Mostly because of Boise in football but the basketball side has been very very good as well.

All of that said, you bark and growl you're the best all day but you prove it on the court and the field. In the first season of the new CFP, the AAC failed in that regard.

MWC and basketball is nowhere close to the level of the AAC. The AAC has the defending champs afterall.

If you want to say thanks to BSU, ok. They are a great football program and continue to show that. To argue anything to do with basketball is a losing argument unless you are talking up the AAC.

This. And the fact that the AAC is looking like a 3-4 bid league, despite it being a down year for Memphis and UCONN, is pretty telling...

This current group of AAC schools is not head and shoulders above the MWC. Yes, the current champs reside in Connecticut but based on the amount of appearances the MWC has made in the Dance the last five (5) seasons, I will stand by my comments that they have been a very, very good basketball conference and stands toe to toe with the current AAC group.

Number of bids to the Dance for the MWC in the past 5 seasons:

2014 - (2) New Mexico and SDSU
2013 - (5) UNLV, New Mexico, SDSU, Boise St, & Colo St
2012 - (4) UNLV, New Mexico, SDSU, & Colo St.
2011 - (3) UNLV, Utah St, & SDSU
2010 - (4) UNLV, Utah St, New Mexico, & SDSU

Number of bids to the Dance for the AAC (current group) in the past 5 seasons:

2014 - (3) UConn, Memphis & UC
2013 - (3) Temple, Memphis & UC
2012 - (4) Temple, UC, Memphis, & USF
2011 - (4) UConn, Temple, Memphis, & UC
2010 - (2) Temple & UH
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RE: Aresco on AAC FB: "to be viewed as competitve with the other five conferences...
(02-09-2015 07:09 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(02-09-2015 06:16 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(02-09-2015 06:11 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(02-09-2015 06:07 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  I think the proof is in the pudding when it comes to what G-5 conference will be the superior conference. The AAC absolutely has the best potential to be best G-5 conference just based on markets alone. But with the uncertainty that surrounds the conference, the AAC growth and potential domination of the G-5 conferences will be stunt by instability. OTOH, the MWC has been the most stable and successful G-5 conference period. Mostly because of Boise in football but the basketball side has been very very good as well.

All of that said, you bark and growl you're the best all day but you prove it on the court and the field. In the first season of the new CFP, the AAC failed in that regard.

MWC and basketball is nowhere close to the level of the AAC. The AAC has the defending champs afterall.

If you want to say thanks to BSU, ok. They are a great football program and continue to show that. To argue anything to do with basketball is a losing argument unless you are talking up the AAC.

This. And the fact that the AAC is looking like a 3-4 bid league, despite it being a down year for Memphis and UCONN, is pretty telling...

This current group of AAC schools is not head and shoulders above the MWC. Yes, the current champs reside in Connecticut but based on the amount of appearances the MWC has made in the Dance the last five (5) seasons, I will stand by my comments that they have been a very, very good basketball conference and stands toe to toe with the current AAC group.

Number of bids to the Dance for the MWC in the past 5 seasons:

2014 - (2) New Mexico and SDSU
2013 - (5) UNLV, New Mexico, SDSU, Boise St, & Colo St
2012 - (4) UNLV, New Mexico, SDSU, & Colo St.
2011 - (3) UNLV, Utah St, & SDSU
2010 - (4) UNLV, Utah St, New Mexico, & SDSU

Number of bids to the Dance for the AAC (current group) in the past 5 seasons:

2014 - (3) UConn, Memphis & UC
2013 - (3) Temple, Memphis & UC
2012 - (4) Temple, UC, Memphis, & USF, UCONN
2011 - (4) UConn, Temple, Memphis, & UC
2010 - (2) Temple & UH

1. See bolded above.

2. Number of bids really doesn't mean much if nobody makes a deep run.
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RE: Aresco on AAC FB: "to be viewed as competitve with the other five conferences."
The AAC will be permanently in college sports purgatory ... ahead of the other G5 conferences, but on the outside looking in on the P5.

Most (all?) of our schools could easily blend into a P5 conference if given a chance. I don't see that happening anytime soon. The big boys have let a few of their smaller friends in and now they've locked the door.
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RE: Aresco on AAC FB: "to be viewed as competitve with the other five conferences...
(02-09-2015 07:21 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
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(02-09-2015 06:16 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(02-09-2015 06:11 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(02-09-2015 06:07 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  I think the proof is in the pudding when it comes to what G-5 conference will be the superior conference. The AAC absolutely has the best potential to be best G-5 conference just based on markets alone. But with the uncertainty that surrounds the conference, the AAC growth and potential domination of the G-5 conferences will be stunt by instability. OTOH, the MWC has been the most stable and successful G-5 conference period. Mostly because of Boise in football but the basketball side has been very very good as well.

All of that said, you bark and growl you're the best all day but you prove it on the court and the field. In the first season of the new CFP, the AAC failed in that regard.

MWC and basketball is nowhere close to the level of the AAC. The AAC has the defending champs afterall.

If you want to say thanks to BSU, ok. They are a great football program and continue to show that. To argue anything to do with basketball is a losing argument unless you are talking up the AAC.

This. And the fact that the AAC is looking like a 3-4 bid league, despite it being a down year for Memphis and UCONN, is pretty telling...

This current group of AAC schools is not head and shoulders above the MWC. Yes, the current champs reside in Connecticut but based on the amount of appearances the MWC has made in the Dance the last five (5) seasons, I will stand by my comments that they have been a very, very good basketball conference and stands toe to toe with the current AAC group.

Number of bids to the Dance for the MWC in the past 5 seasons:

2014 - (2) New Mexico and SDSU
2013 - (5) UNLV, New Mexico, SDSU, Boise St, & Colo St
2012 - (4) UNLV, New Mexico, SDSU, & Colo St.
2011 - (3) UNLV, Utah St, & SDSU
2010 - (4) UNLV, Utah St, New Mexico, & SDSU

Number of bids to the Dance for the AAC (current group) in the past 5 seasons:

2014 - (3) UConn, Memphis & UC
2013 - (3) Temple, Memphis & UC
2012 - (4) Temple, UC, Memphis, & USF, UCONN
2011 - (4) UConn, Temple, Memphis, & UC
2010 - (2) Temple & UH

1. See bolded above.

2. Number of bids really doesn't mean much if nobody makes a deep run.

So basically you're still saying the current group of AAC teams is head and shoulders above the MWC??? You're entitled to your opinion. I will say if your conference is good enough to get at least 3 at-large bids over the past 5 season, you're a damn good conference.

But I'll play along since you won't bother to backup your 2nd statement. UConn 2 National Champs notwithstanding, I'm still not seeing head and shoulders above the MWC.

MWC
2014 - (2) New Mexico (2nd round) and SDSU (Sweet 16)
2013 - (5) UNLV (2nd Rd), New Mexico (2nd Rd), SDSU (3rd Rd), Boise St (First Four), & Colo St (2nd Rd)
2012 - (4) UNLV (2nd Rd), New Mexico (3rd Rd), SDSU (2nd Rd), & Colo St. (2nd Rd)
2011 - (3) UNLV (2nd Rd), Utah St (2nd Rd), & SDSU (Sweet 16)
2010 - (4) UNLV (1st Rd), Utah St (1st Rd) , New Mexico (2nd Rd), & SDSU (1st Rd)

AAC
2014 - (3) UConn (Champs), Memphis (3rd Rd) & UC (2nd round)
2013 - (3) Temple (3rd Rd), Memphis (3rd Rd) & UC (2nd Rd)
2012 - (5) Temple (2nd Rd), UC (Sweet 16), Memphis (2nd Rd), & USF (3rd Rd) & UCONN (2nd Rd)
2011 - (4) UConn (Champs), Temple (3rd Rd), Memphis (2nd Rd), & UC (3rd Rd)
2010 - (2) Temple (1st Rd) & UH (1st Rd)
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Re: Aresco on AAC FB: "to be viewed as competitve with the other five conferences."
2 Championships (AAC) > 2 Sweet 16's (MWC).

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(02-09-2015 08:36 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  2 Championships (AAC) > 2 Sweet 16's (MWC).

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2 Championships won by one team, still doesn't equal head and shoulders above the MWC.
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(02-09-2015 08:45 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(02-09-2015 08:36 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  2 Championships (AAC) > 2 Sweet 16's (MWC).

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2 Championships won by one team, still doesn't equal head and shoulders above the MWC.

OK, making it to 3rd Rd or beyond: AAC 9 > MWC 4

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RE: Aresco on AAC FB: "to be viewed as competitve with the other five conferences...
(02-09-2015 09:28 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(02-09-2015 08:45 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(02-09-2015 08:36 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  2 Championships (AAC) > 2 Sweet 16's (MWC).

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2 Championships won by one team, still doesn't equal head and shoulders above the MWC.

OK, making it to 3rd Rd or beyond: AAC 9 > MWC 4

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Dude, it's not head and shoulders above the MWC. 18 bids for the MWC, 17 for the AAC. Use whatever criteria you want but at the end of the day, it not that big of a difference.
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RE: Aresco on AAC FB: "to be viewed as competitve with the other five conferences...
(02-09-2015 09:46 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(02-09-2015 09:28 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(02-09-2015 08:45 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(02-09-2015 08:36 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  2 Championships (AAC) > 2 Sweet 16's (MWC).

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2 Championships won by one team, still doesn't equal head and shoulders above the MWC.

OK, making it to 3rd Rd or beyond: AAC 9 > MWC 4

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Dude, it's not head and shoulders above the MWC. 18 bids for the MWC, 17 for the AAC. Use whatever criteria you want but at the end of the day, it not that big of a difference.

It's not just the number of bids. It's what you do with those bids. Weren't all of the MWC schools knocked out in the first round last year?
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(02-09-2015 10:31 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Weren't all of the MWC schools knocked out in the first round last year?

No they were not. But I do have a question, do you believe the current AAC has been head and shoulders above the Big 12 the last 5 years?
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RE: Aresco on AAC FB: "to be viewed as competitve with the other five conferences...
(02-09-2015 03:05 PM)Maize Wrote:  
(02-09-2015 02:38 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(02-09-2015 10:08 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(02-09-2015 07:49 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  That's gotta be a little insulting to the other G5 conferences with the commish of the AAC trying to act like his league is above and beyond the rest of you (especially after the results of last season) and when he lumps his league in with the "other 5 conferences" he sure isnt talking about the MWC and CUSA.

To be fair the AAC & MWC are above the other G5 leagues in Fan Support and exposure....

Spot on! The MAC, Sun Belt and CUSA are barely better than the Football Championship Subdivision" (FCS) teams. 07-coffee3

For the simple fact many of those schools in the MAC, Sunbelt & C-USA are very recent call up from the FCS Level...07-coffee3

Say what you want about the MAC but at least be truthful about it. You cannot say that many of the MAC schools are "recent" FCS call ups. You have UMass (about to leave) and Buffalo if you count the 90s. The rest have been playing FBS level football for a long time and that is almost the entirety of the conference (unless you are counting schools UCF that no longer play in the MAC).
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RE: Aresco on AAC FB: "to be viewed as competitve with the other five conferences...
(02-09-2015 10:44 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(02-09-2015 10:31 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Weren't all of the MWC schools knocked out in the first round last year?

No.

You're probably thinking about two years ago when the MWC had the highest RPI and was thought to be the best conference that year:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...o/1976701/

5 teams made the NCAA tourney and not one of them made it past the first weekend...
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RE: Aresco on AAC FB: "to be viewed as competitve with the other five conferences...
(02-09-2015 10:44 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(02-09-2015 10:31 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Weren't all of the MWC schools knocked out in the first round last year?

No they were not. But I do have a question, do you believe the current AAC has been head and shoulders above the Big 12 the last 5 years?

Better? Probably. Head and shoulders? No, but I really haven't thought about it.

I know the Big East was head and shoulders over every conference until it broke up in 2012.
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RE: Aresco on AAC FB: "to be viewed as competitve with the other five conferences...
(02-09-2015 10:55 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(02-09-2015 10:44 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(02-09-2015 10:31 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Weren't all of the MWC schools knocked out in the first round last year?

No they were not. But I do have a question, do you believe the current AAC has been head and shoulders above the Big 12 the last 5 years?

Better? Probably. Head and shoulders? No, but I really haven't thought about it.

I know the Big East was head and shoulders over every conference until it broke up in 2012.

I will post the Big 12 last 5 Dance appearances tomorrow. But we're talking AAC, not the Big East. Of course the Big East was a beast of a conference before this realignment stuff. And in 2013 when MWC sent 5 teams to the Dance that didn't make it past the first weekend, the three AAC members didn't make it past the first weekend either.
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(02-09-2015 11:12 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(02-09-2015 10:55 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(02-09-2015 10:44 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(02-09-2015 10:31 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Weren't all of the MWC schools knocked out in the first round last year?

No they were not. But I do have a question, do you believe the current AAC has been head and shoulders above the Big 12 the last 5 years?

Better? Probably. Head and shoulders? No, but I really haven't thought about it.

I know the Big East was head and shoulders over every conference until it broke up in 2012.

I will post the Big 12 last 5 Dance appearances tomorrow. But we're talking AAC, not the Big East. Of course the Big East was a beast of a conference before this realignment stuff. And in 2013 when MWC sent 5 teams to the Dance that didn't make it past the first weekend, the three AAC members didn't make it past the first weekend either.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Big 12 came out better. It's not something I dwell on. Usually the Big 12 is pretty good.
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(02-09-2015 10:35 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(02-09-2015 10:08 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(02-09-2015 07:49 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  That's gotta be a little insulting to the other G5 conferences with the commish of the AAC trying to act like his league is above and beyond the rest of you (especially after the results of last season) and when he lumps his league in with the "other 5 conferences" he sure isnt talking about the MWC and CUSA.

To be fair the AAC & MWC are above the other G5 leagues in Fan Support and exposure....

Out of all the G5 conferences, the AAC appears to have the worst of the "Little Man Syndrome". Why Aersco can rant all he wants, the AAC in ther first year finished 3rd in G5 ratings. Until the Rose, Orange and Sugar die, a G5 conference will never move up. It is set just like the FCS, a conference can't move but a team might be able to move up if an opening occurs.

Now, I will say of all the G5 conferences, the AAC probably has the most attractive teams from the P5 to pick from. If the B12 doesn't get there waiver, I could see the last round of expansion kick-off. The only question, does the B12 go to 12 or 14.

My prediction, B12 picks off UCF and Cinci for the first round when the proposal is denied. Fox and ESPN will work to help make this happen. Probably during the 4th year of the CFP they will be eligible. If they were to go to 14, Mempjis and ECU as the other two. Bonus prediction, playoffs will stay at four for the first 12 years, we are already seeing that the NFL and NCAA don't play well together.

Well the AAC does have 7 schools that were once members of a power conference (not counting last year)-UH, SMU SWC; Tulane SEC; Temple, UConn, USF, Cincinnati-Big East. Only CUSA with Rice has anyone else who can claim that.

In terms of their academic profile, they look more like the P5 schools. Mostly they are national research institutions.
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(02-09-2015 01:23 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-09-2015 12:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  One---the average attendance across the G5 conference must exceed 40K. I think a G5 conference that shows that kind of across the board fan interest likely becomes pretty attractive to TV.

Winning >>> Attendance.

Attendance would help when a conference is talking to TV guys, and would help a G5 conference get more money than other G5 conferences, but a league needs to have at least a few football teams at the Boise level of winning, or at least consistently have 3 teams in the final top 25, to have a reputation on the level that Aresco aspires to, let alone the kind of TV deal he aspires to.

After the Big East 2.0 came up (no Miami, VT, BC), I felt like the BE needed 3 things to continue to be considered a power conference:

1) 2 teams (the same teams) pretty regularly making the top 20 and sometimes the top 10.
2) A third team ranked nearly every year, but that could be a different team each year.
3) No embarrassing teams at the bottom.

They pretty much did that, but then lost everyone. A G5 will have to do this 5-10 years to get much attention.
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(02-09-2015 01:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-09-2015 01:27 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  One point the AAC that is consistently missed on these boards is the AAC has more tradition than the other G5 conferences and that is essentially what is holding this conference together.

What tradition does the AAC have? As a conference, these schools have been together for a year. No tradition there, save some of them used to duke it out in C-USA at various times. Hardly the stuff of Ivy and Oak Trees. And individual schools? Houston, Tulane, and SMU have legacies in P5 conferences, but all of that was generations ago, long forgotten by everyone else. And some of the bigger names, like UConn, USF, and UCF have no football history at all to speak of.

20 years (UH and SMU) is not generations.
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(02-09-2015 03:03 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(02-09-2015 01:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-09-2015 10:35 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Out of all the G5 conferences, the AAC appears to have the worst of the "Little Man Syndrome". Why Aersco can rant all he wants, the AAC in ther first year finished 3rd in G5 ratings.

That does seem to be true. Aresco seems to make a lot of bold proclamations about being a "power" conference. Maybe I am just missing it, but I don't see the commissioners of the other G5, even the MWC, constantly trying to make propaganda points about being "power", etc.

None of those other conferences will ever come close to a basketball National Championship, mens or womens, either (in the same year as a BCS win). The AACs first year stacked up very favorably to most autonomous conferences, much less the other 4.

2 CUSA schools have women's national championships. 1 has a men's and at least 2 others have been in the final 4. 1 MWC school has a men's championship.
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(02-09-2015 01:23 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-09-2015 12:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  One---the average attendance across the G5 conference must exceed 40K. I think a G5 conference that shows that kind of across the board fan interest likely becomes pretty attractive to TV.

Winning >>> Attendance.

Over the past 11 or so years, Boise has won at a rate that few schools ever have, and yet their attendance has been relatively low. They remain stuck in the G5.
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