Tom Jurich and Mike Slive have a lot of connections and the only area the SEC is hurting is in basketball. UofL to the SEC isn't as far of a stretch as many of the scenarios proposed here.

(02-13-2015 01:39 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 12:44 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I think Connecticut is next on the ACC's expansion wishlist but this is not a linear discussion. Meaning, if Virginia or North Carolina or NC State or someone like that were to leave the ACC for the Big 10, I think UConn would be hey shoe-in to replace them. They just bring an awful lot to the table from a content and affluence perspective.

The problem with that scenario is you have the very schools which would vote for UConn leaving the ACC... I'm just not sure there is a realistic scenario for UConn to the ACC unless ESPN decides to buy their way in.

Quote:However, if a Florida State or Miami were to leave, I think UCF or USF would leap frog the Huskies because the ACC would need to shore up Florida recruiting. Also, those schools have a higher football ceiling then does Connecticut, which, unfortunately for UConn, is located in New England, one of the worst football regions of the country.

This makes some sense, provided that the entire league doesn't fall apart in this scenario.

The most desirable G5 teams are:
1. BYU - too far away for the ACC, though
2. ECU - too many NC schools in the ACC already
3. Boise St - same problem as BYU.
4. UCF - too many FL schools (maybe), and too new to FBS (1996).
5. Cincinnati - this is a possibility, but IMO the Bearcats need to climb up the desirability list to at least #2 before they get an invite.

Well, thanks for the recognition and boost. Perhaps unwittingly, you've elevated Cincy to the #1 spot among potential G5 candidates for addition to the ACC. BYU and Boise are too removed, as you acknowledge, and the latter not also has lousy academics, but also that ugly blue turf. Both ECU and UCF lie in states already within the ACC footprint, and neither can match Cincy for academics, research activity, or endowment. Cincy has nice facilities, too, with $86 million in stadium expansion and upgrades due for completion in 8/15, and a $70 million renovation of its basketball arena pending. Finally, expanding the ACC into Ohio would offer the ACC exposure to some fertile recruiting grounds, and no, Louisville and Pitt don't already own them.

Cincy is right next door, folks. Do the neighborly think and extend an invitation.

(02-16-2015 02:02 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 01:39 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 12:44 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I think Connecticut is next on the ACC's expansion wishlist but this is not a linear discussion. Meaning, if Virginia or North Carolina or NC State or someone like that were to leave the ACC for the Big 10, I think UConn would be hey shoe-in to replace them. They just bring an awful lot to the table from a content and affluence perspective.

The problem with that scenario is you have the very schools which would vote for UConn leaving the ACC... I'm just not sure there is a realistic scenario for UConn to the ACC unless ESPN decides to buy their way in.

Quote:However, if a Florida State or Miami were to leave, I think UCF or USF would leap frog the Huskies because the ACC would need to shore up Florida recruiting. Also, those schools have a higher football ceiling then does Connecticut, which, unfortunately for UConn, is located in New England, one of the worst football regions of the country.

This makes some sense, provided that the entire league doesn't fall apart in this scenario.

The most desirable G5 teams are:
1. BYU - too far away for the ACC, though
2. ECU - too many NC schools in the ACC already
3. Boise St - same problem as BYU.
4. UCF - too many FL schools (maybe), and too new to FBS (1996).
5. Cincinnati - this is a possibility, but IMO the Bearcats need to climb up the desirability list to at least #2 before they get an invite.

Well, thanks for the recognition and boost. Perhaps unwittingly, you've elevated Cincy to the #1 spot among potential G5 candidates for addition to the ACC. BYU and Boise are too removed, as you acknowledge, and the latter not also has lousy academics, but also that ugly blue turf. Both ECU and UCF lie in states already within the ACC footprint, and neither can match Cincy for academics, research activity, or endowment. Cincy has nice facilities, too, with $86 million in stadium expansion and upgrades due for completion in 8/15, and a $70 million renovation of its basketball arena pending. Finally, expanding the ACC into Ohio would offer the ACC exposure to some fertile recruiting grounds, and no, Louisville and Pitt don't already own them.

Cincy is right next door, folks. Do the neighborly think and extend an invitation.

unwittingly? I wish I had a dollar for every time I've said Cincinnati is the best G5 option for the ACC... the league just can't afford to expand any more right now (not until there is a cable network which can be sold to Ohio residents to pay for the Bearcats' share of the TV money, at least).

(02-16-2015 02:45 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 02:02 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 01:39 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 12:44 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I think Connecticut is next on the ACC's expansion wishlist but this is not a linear discussion. Meaning, if Virginia or North Carolina or NC State or someone like that were to leave the ACC for the Big 10, I think UConn would be hey shoe-in to replace them. They just bring an awful lot to the table from a content and affluence perspective.

The problem with that scenario is you have the very schools which would vote for UConn leaving the ACC... I'm just not sure there is a realistic scenario for UConn to the ACC unless ESPN decides to buy their way in.

Quote:However, if a Florida State or Miami were to leave, I think UCF or USF would leap frog the Huskies because the ACC would need to shore up Florida recruiting. Also, those schools have a higher football ceiling then does Connecticut, which, unfortunately for UConn, is located in New England, one of the worst football regions of the country.

This makes some sense, provided that the entire league doesn't fall apart in this scenario.

The most desirable G5 teams are:
1. BYU - too far away for the ACC, though
2. ECU - too many NC schools in the ACC already
3. Boise St - same problem as BYU.
4. UCF - too many FL schools (maybe), and too new to FBS (1996).
5. Cincinnati - this is a possibility, but IMO the Bearcats need to climb up the desirability list to at least #2 before they get an invite.

Well, thanks for the recognition and boost. Perhaps unwittingly, you've elevated Cincy to the #1 spot among potential G5 candidates for addition to the ACC. BYU and Boise are too removed, as you acknowledge, and the latter not also has lousy academics, but also that ugly blue turf. Both ECU and UCF lie in states already within the ACC footprint, and neither can match Cincy for academics, research activity, or endowment. Cincy has nice facilities, too, with $86 million in stadium expansion and upgrades due for completion in 8/15, and a $70 million renovation of its basketball arena pending. Finally, expanding the ACC into Ohio would offer the ACC exposure to some fertile recruiting grounds, and no, Louisville and Pitt don't already own them.

Cincy is right next door, folks. Do the neighborly think and extend an invitation.

unwittingly? I wish I had a dollar for every time I've said Cincinnati is the best G5 option for the ACC... the league just can't afford to expand any more right now (not until there is a cable network which can be sold to Ohio residents to pay for the Bearcats' share of the TV money, at least).

After reading quotes from some ACC presidents that may be within a few years.

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I think the ACC is going to 16 or 16/18.

As others said we gotta see what the cable network does.

I'd love to add Cincy/UConn and keep ND with 5 or 6 games a year. Gotta go to 9 conference games in a 16/18 scenario. The other non FB team would be Nova or Georgetown. If we have Cuse, ND, and UConn we don't need SJU for NYC.

The last question to be asked is to UT. If they want a ND deal...bring them in. They will want 2 playmates. Adding Baylor and TCU might work. I'd stay away from TTech. I'd consider Houston. I'd take UT/Baylor/TCU over Cincy/UConn and GTown/Nova.

(02-16-2015 03:43 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  I think the ACC is going to 16 or 16/18.

As others said we gotta see what the cable network does.

I'd love to add Cincy/UConn and keep ND with 5 or 6 games a year. Gotta go to 9 conference games in a 16/18 scenario. The other non FB team would be Nova or Georgetown. If we have Cuse, ND, and UConn we don't need SJU for NYC.

The last question to be asked is to UT. If they want a ND deal...bring them in. They will want 2 playmates. Adding Baylor and TCU might work. I'd stay away from TTech. I'd consider Houston. I'd take UT/Baylor/TCU over Cincy/UConn and GTown/Nova.

In 2017, the Cincinnati and Dayton TV markets merge, ranking them #20 in the nation.

(02-10-2015 06:22 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 06:02 PM)MKPitt Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 04:57 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 01:54 PM)Lucy Wrote:  BC was most vocal against UConn, partly b/c of the nasty comments between their schools during the time of the Big East schools suing the ACC in the early 2000s: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...NpSMsJdWBU

They might have been the most vocal but they weren't one of the ones who would have begun pursuing other conference options if UConn were added.

And yes, that was under discussion. There was at least one school, and I have been told more, that felt that addition of UConn to the ACC was a threat to their athletic future and would have taken action to secure said future.

I enjoy hearing about these rumors, who were supposedly the schools?

I think UConn is a good partner with a great athletic department but I recognize the concerns the southern schools would have had about adding another northern university with a fledgling football program. I do wonder if UConn would have been more palatable if they had assured the southern schools they were switching to geographic divisions.

Clemson was for sure. Pretty sure that FSU was as well as they had indicated to Clemson personnel they were also not going to support UConn membership in any way, shape, or form.

Not sure about NC State because they couldn't make a move that would be deemed detrimental to UNC. On Virginia Tech the indication that I get from discussions on the subject is that they would have a hard time making any moves because of the political capital they expended blackmailing their way into the ACC a decade earlier.

BC and Miami may have been aboard as well. For BC it would have been highly symbolic because like UConn today there simply aren't other conference options out there for them. I can see Miami going along simply because they are dependent on FSU far more than any other ACC school.

The only one I can't say for sure one way or another is Georgia Tech. They like being associated with Duke, UNC, and UVA.....but there is a reason they begged and pleaded for years to flip flop the rotation of the Clemson game and not the UNC game.

As for the geographic divisions, I am told that they were a non-starter because several of the northern schools made it clear they wouldn't go along with that without a nine game schedule.

State did not support because UConn added nothing to NC State in football. In fact, UConn represented a potential loss. There has not been a major ACC vote where the UNC System President has dictated UNC and NC State's vote in a long time. In this particular case, UNC's tacit support of UConn is based only on basketball and since the new team was slipping into MD's place, UNC would not have UConn home and away every other year.

Adding UConn only hurt FSU, Clemson, GT, NCSU, VT, from a football gate and recruiting standpoint. The effect on UVa, Miami, and WF was neutral. UNC and Duke could gain a little in basketball. But as soon as it became apparent UConn had so little support Duke and WF immediately threw in with Louisville.

It's all about how you make your budget.

FSU, Clemson, GT, Miami, ND, and VT are 100% dependent on football - it's how their booster clubs are set up.

NC State, UNC, and UVa are less reliant on football, but of those three, football drives the Wolfpack Club while basketball drives the Ed Foundation and UVa. Duke, WF, Syracuse, are basketball oriented.

I can't really speak to BC or Pitt, but we know BC sees UConn as an existential threat in their marketplace.

That means for any expansion, Miami, Clemson, GT, FSU, NC State, ND, and VT are casting a football first vote. Louisville, UVa, and UNC basketball or football. Dependent as they are on basketball, Duke and Syracuse don't need anymore basketball competition. Wake will always vote in the conference's best interest.

No one is getting added without a top 30-35 football program unless that addition means ND goes full time, or something funky happens with Texas.

If this conference loses another school it's over. Anyone from Virginia, N. Carolina (minus maybe Wake), the ACC could lose the Cards and survive. BC, I guess. Pitt & Cuse... don't really know. But FSU/Clemson-- Yes, definitely. This conference is over at that point.

Scenario: UVA decides they are thru w/ the ACC and split to the Big-wankin-10.... why does VT hang around?
Conclusion: they don't, they bolt for the SEC.

At which point UNC has a big decision to make, Big10 or Sec... Clemson and FSU are likely off to the Big-12. NO ONE is going to wait around for this conference to 'officially' become the new BE!

No-no, any further defections w/ the exception of a small group of schools and there likely won't be a vote on replacements as it's lights out for this conference. And in such a situation as that, why would everyone who can get out, not do so right then and there and liquidate the conference so they don't have to pay exit fees, lose their tourney moneys, and bowl $$$ ?

Heck, If I were counsel for any of these schools with other options I would be recommending just such a move. Otherwise a bunch of vagrant squatters will move into the near-empty structure and begin demanding millions. Happened in the Big East, the schools that departed left tens of millions behind to those Pawn Stars. In this conference, the schools could be sued for hundreds of millions.

Best to hope no one else leaves, or it's open season and some folks are NOT going to find a chair when this music stops. Final Four conference have arrived & those unlucky schools are literally going to find themselves in Cusa 4.0

(02-16-2015 06:54 PM)Crimsonelf Wrote:  If this conference loses another school it's over. Anyone from Virginia, N. Carolina (minus maybe Wake), the ACC could lose the Cards and survive. BC, I guess. Pitt & Cuse... don't really know. But FSU/Clemson-- Yes, definitely. This conference is over at that point.

Scenario: UVA decides they are thru w/ the ACC and split to the Big-wankin-10.... why does VT hang around?
Conclusion: they don't, they bolt for the SEC.

At which point UNC has a big decision to make, Big10 or Sec... Clemson and FSU are likely off to the Big-12. NO ONE is going to wait around for this conference to 'officially' become the new BE!

No-no, any further defections w/ the exception of a small group of schools and there likely won't be a vote on replacements as it's lights out for this conference. And in such a situation as that, why would everyone who can get out, not do so right then and there and liquidate the conference so they don't have to pay exit fees, lose their tourney moneys, and bowl $$$ ?

Heck, If I were counsel for any of these schools with other options I would be recommending just such a move. Otherwise a bunch of vagrant squatters will move into the near-empty structure and begin demanding millions. Happened in the Big East, the schools that departed left tens of millions behind to those Pawn Stars. In this conference, the schools could be sued for hundreds of millions.

Best to hope no one else leaves, or it's open season and some folks are NOT going to find a chair when this music stops. Final Four conference have arrived & those unlucky schools are literally going to find themselves in Cusa 4.0

Odd how the last one's invited to the ACC would think they know what would break up the ACC. I guess that's because Louisville has never been in a stable conference bouncing from the Metro to CUSA to the Big East.

The ACC, especially the core of the ACC - UNC, NC State, UVa, VT, Clemson, and are all original members of the Southern Conference, that formed in 1921. UNC, NC State, UVa, and VT were members of the predecessor to that - the SAIAA that formed in 1907. Duke joined the SoCon in 1928. When the SEC teams left in 1933, WF joined in 1937. The formation of the ACC was MD, Duke, and Clemson kicking out VT and West Va over football policy. South Carolina left in 1971. Maryland left in 2014. The new additions, not originally in the So-Con are FSU 1991, Miami 2003, BC 2004, Pitt and Syracuse 2011, ND 2012 and you in 2014.

There are 8 former Southern Conference members - this is the core of the current conference. No one in that core is going anywhere else.

The MD situation was unique. MD had mismanaged the University for decades since Len Bias' death. They had come under withering competition from professional sports in Baltimore and DC. They hired and promoted people directly connected to Ohio State, and other Big 10 schools who stated a direct preference to pull MD into the B10 and did so blindsiding their own board of trustees.

UVa is not MD. UVa is rich, and MD is a pauper in comparison. UVa remains as much southern as it is eastern, something MD was no longer. Most of all, UVa knows it can't compete in football in the B10 and being able to compete matters to UVa, it also matters to UNC. Those two are going no where.

Clemson and FSU are going nowhere because they can't get an SEC invite because they don't add anything outside the SEC footprint. As much as they might *****, they are the big dogs in ACC football, in the SEC they would be just one of the pack chasing Alabama.

Don't worry about the ACC until someone connected to UVa, UNC, NC State, Duke, WF, or VT says there is something to worry about.

If you hear it from UVa, UNC, State, Duke or VT, and someone confirms it from WF, you can then take it to the bank. Never forget WF knows all.

Personally I think a shake up will happen but not with the ACC.At some point the Big12 will either have to expand or risk losing schools as the GOR winds down . If someone where to leave They will not renew the GOR and begin to give their notice to leave. Not sure if The Big12 has a wait period now like the Big East had.

(02-16-2015 04:14 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 03:43 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  I think the ACC is going to 16 or 16/18.

As others said we gotta see what the cable network does.

I'd love to add Cincy/UConn and keep ND with 5 or 6 games a year. Gotta go to 9 conference games in a 16/18 scenario. The other non FB team would be Nova or Georgetown. If we have Cuse, ND, and UConn we don't need SJU for NYC.

The last question to be asked is to UT. If they want a ND deal...bring them in. They will want 2 playmates. Adding Baylor and TCU might work. I'd stay away from TTech. I'd consider Houston. I'd take UT/Baylor/TCU over Cincy/UConn and GTown/Nova.

In 2017, the Cincinnati and Dayton TV markets merge, ranking them #20 in the nation.

So what?

(02-16-2015 09:55 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Personally I think a shake up will happen but not with the ACC.At some point the Big12 will either have to expand or risk losing schools as the GOR winds down . If someone where to leave They will not renew the GOR and begin to give their notice to leave. Not sure if The Big12 has a wait period now like the Big East had.

+1

(02-16-2015 08:42 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Odd how the last one's invited to the ACC would think they know what would break up the ACC. I guess that's because Louisville has never been in a stable conference bouncing from the Metro to CUSA to the Big East.

The ACC, especially the core of the ACC - UNC, NC State, UVa, VT, Clemson, and are all original members of the Southern Conference, that formed in 1921. UNC, NC State, UVa, and VT were members of the predecessor to that - the SAIAA that formed in 1907. Duke joined the SoCon in 1928. When the SEC teams left in 1933, WF joined in 1937. The formation of the ACC was MD, Duke, and Clemson kicking out VT and West Va over football policy. South Carolina left in 1971. Maryland left in 2014. The new additions, not originally in the So-Con are FSU 1991, Miami 2003, BC 2004, Pitt and Syracuse 2011, ND 2012 and you in 2014.

There are 8 former Southern Conference members - this is the core of the current conference. No one in that core is going anywhere else.

The MD situation was unique. MD had mismanaged the University for decades since Len Bias' death. They had come under withering competition from professional sports in Baltimore and DC. They hired and promoted people directly connected to Ohio State, and other Big 10 schools who stated a direct preference to pull MD into the B10 and did so blindsiding their own board of trustees.

UVa is not MD. UVa is rich, and MD is a pauper in comparison. UVa remains as much southern as it is eastern, something MD was no longer. Most of all, UVa knows it can't compete in football in the B10 and being able to compete matters to UVa, it also matters to UNC. Those two are going no where.

Clemson and FSU are going nowhere because they can't get an SEC invite because they don't add anything outside the SEC footprint. As much as they might *****, they are the big dogs in ACC football, in the SEC they would be just one of the pack chasing Alabama.

Don't worry about the ACC until someone connected to UVa, UNC, NC State, Duke, WF, or VT says there is something to worry about.

If you hear it from UVa, UNC, State, Duke or VT, and someone confirms it from WF, you can then take it to the bank. Never forget WF knows all.

Yet discussion I have been a part of said that had the ACC added UConn we would have been out within a week. The exit fee money had already been pledged, and the BOT vote would have been a stone cold lock.

And that isn't even bringing up the 1970's and how close we were to going out with South Carolina (Still the biggest mistake we ever made)

You are a bigger fool than I thought if you think for one second Clemson is going to ruin it's athletic department out of some sense of loyalty to a bunch of schools who have in the past tried their damnedest to screw us over.

At some point, either the best ACC teams go to the B1G, SEC and/or Big XII,
or the best Big XII teams end up in the other four P5 conferences (ACC likely getting 2).

(02-17-2015 09:30 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  At some point, either the best ACC teams go to the B1G, SEC and/or Big XII,
or the best Big XII teams end up in the other four P5 conferences (ACC likely getting 2).

Why? Why can't people enjoy solidarity?

For those who keep insisting on Cincinnati and/or UConn: they don't bring enough to the table! Who cares about Cincy's market if it's split between a bunch of schools and the Bearcats have a small stadium they don't even sell out? That's like the SEC inviting Georgia State. Get real guys!

(02-17-2015 10:29 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-17-2015 09:30 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  At some point, either the best ACC teams go to the B1G, SEC and/or Big XII,
or the best Big XII teams end up in the other four P5 conferences (ACC likely getting 2).

Why? Why can't people enjoy solidarity?

For those who keep insisting on Cincinnati and/or UConn: they don't bring enough to the table! Who cares about Cincy's market if it's split between a bunch of schools and the Bearcats have a small stadium they don't even sell out? That's like the SEC inviting Georgia State. Get real guys!

This just in: neither Cincinnati nor UConn are in the Big XII.

(02-17-2015 10:29 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-17-2015 09:30 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  At some point, either the best ACC teams go to the B1G, SEC and/or Big XII,
or the best Big XII teams end up in the other four P5 conferences (ACC likely getting 2).

Why? Why can't people enjoy solidarity?

For those who keep insisting on Cincinnati and/or UConn: they don't bring enough to the table! Who cares about Cincy's market if it's split between a bunch of schools and the Bearcats have a small stadium they don't even sell out? That's like the SEC inviting Georgia State. Get real guys!

There is only one P5 school (admittedly a formidable presence) in Ohio, which has a population of about 11.5 million. North Carolina, with a population of about 9.5 million, has four P5 schools, all of them members of the same conference. And you think the addition of Cincinnati to the ACC wouldn't bring anything to the table?

I live in western Colorado, so I'm not able to take in as many games at UC's Nippert Stadium as I might like. As regards attendance, the stadium has been full every time I've been able to get to a game, most recently in 2011 when I enjoyed watching my Bearcats beat NC State 44 to 14 before a packed house. Nippert is a great old venue, located right in the heart of campus, and it's currently being expanded and upgraded in anticipation of next fall's season. When marquee opponents like Ohio State and Oklahoma have come to town, and greater capacity has been needed, it's been no big deal to hold the games at the Bengals' Paul Brown Stadium, a 3.5-mile drive from campus.

(02-16-2015 10:07 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-16-2015 08:42 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Odd how the last one's invited to the ACC would think they know what would break up the ACC. I guess that's because Louisville has never been in a stable conference bouncing from the Metro to CUSA to the Big East.

The ACC, especially the core of the ACC - UNC, NC State, UVa, VT, Clemson, and are all original members of the Southern Conference, that formed in 1921. UNC, NC State, UVa, and VT were members of the predecessor to that - the SAIAA that formed in 1907. Duke joined the SoCon in 1928. When the SEC teams left in 1933, WF joined in 1937. The formation of the ACC was MD, Duke, and Clemson kicking out VT and West Va over football policy. South Carolina left in 1971. Maryland left in 2014. The new additions, not originally in the So-Con are FSU 1991, Miami 2003, BC 2004, Pitt and Syracuse 2011, ND 2012 and you in 2014.

There are 8 former Southern Conference members - this is the core of the current conference. No one in that core is going anywhere else.

The MD situation was unique. MD had mismanaged the University for decades since Len Bias' death. They had come under withering competition from professional sports in Baltimore and DC. They hired and promoted people directly connected to Ohio State, and other Big 10 schools who stated a direct preference to pull MD into the B10 and did so blindsiding their own board of trustees.

UVa is not MD. UVa is rich, and MD is a pauper in comparison. UVa remains as much southern as it is eastern, something MD was no longer. Most of all, UVa knows it can't compete in football in the B10 and being able to compete matters to UVa, it also matters to UNC. Those two are going no where.

Clemson and FSU are going nowhere because they can't get an SEC invite because they don't add anything outside the SEC footprint. As much as they might *****, they are the big dogs in ACC football, in the SEC they would be just one of the pack chasing Alabama.

Don't worry about the ACC until someone connected to UVa, UNC, NC State, Duke, WF, or VT says there is something to worry about.

If you hear it from UVa, UNC, State, Duke or VT, and someone confirms it from WF, you can then take it to the bank. Never forget WF knows all.

Yet discussion I have been a part of said that had the ACC added UConn we would have been out within a week. The exit fee money had already been pledged, and the BOT vote would have been a stone cold lock.

And that isn't even bringing up the 1970's and how close we were to going out with South Carolina (Still the biggest mistake we ever made)

You are a bigger fool than I thought if you think for one second Clemson is going to ruin it's athletic department out of some sense of loyalty to a bunch of schools who have in the past tried their damnedest to screw us over.

Kap, the problem is you and FSU have no where to go. You aren't getting SEC or B10 invites. Snobbery, distance and culture is the issue with the B10. And as you know the SEC is not going to double up in the State of SC and probably not in Florida - you don't add to their footprint. That leaves your only choice the dysfunctional B12 and that means going from the top dogs to Texas and OU financial lap dogs.

I don't doubt for a minute that Clemson folks would have said that if UConn was added over a football school that you would seek to leave - duh. You act like only Clemson and FSU make their athletic budgets off football. You know that's not the case as Miami, GT, VT, and NC State all depend most on football to float the boat.

Now, what do you think Clemson would have achieved by tucking tail and running with SC back in 71? They spent 20 years in the wilderness until the SEC needed and eastern school. If both of you were available for the SEC's 12 spot are you sure that you get it instead of SC?

How's that Gamecock program with Spurrier been in the SEC? Do they have any titles? Have they played in any BCS games?

Clemson and FSU have a good deal in the ACC, but for some reason reason there is this refusal to admit that good deal.

(02-17-2015 12:04 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(02-17-2015 10:29 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-17-2015 09:30 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  At some point, either the best ACC teams go to the B1G, SEC and/or Big XII,
or the best Big XII teams end up in the other four P5 conferences (ACC likely getting 2).

Why? Why can't people enjoy solidarity?

For those who keep insisting on Cincinnati and/or UConn: they don't bring enough to the table! Who cares about Cincy's market if it's split between a bunch of schools and the Bearcats have a small stadium they don't even sell out? That's like the SEC inviting Georgia State. Get real guys!

There is only one P5 school (admittedly a formidable presence) in Ohio, which has a population of about 11.5 million. North Carolina, with a population of about 9.5 million, has four P5 schools, all of them members of the same conference. And you think the addition of Cincinnati to the ACC wouldn't bring anything to the table?

I live in western Colorado, so I'm not able to take in as many games at UC's Nippert Stadium as I might like. As regards attendance, the stadium has been full every time I've been able to get to a game, most recently in 2011 when I enjoyed watching my Bearcats beat NC State 44 to 14 before a packed house. Nippert is a great old venue, located right in the heart of campus, and it's currently being expanded and upgraded in anticipation of next fall's season. When marquee opponents like Ohio State and Oklahoma have come to town, and greater capacity has been needed, it's been no big deal to hold the games at the Bengals' Paul Brown Stadium, a 3.5-mile drive from campus.

So what?

Super ACC goes to 20 teams for all sports and the next six (6) are:

Notre Dame
PSU
Rutgers
Maryland
Connecticut
Cincinnati

Now the ACC would control most of Eastern United States TV market where the majority of TV sets are.