(02-08-2015 10:22 AM)Mimi Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 12:21 AM)tigers1985 Wrote:  Problem is, we should have been good in 12-13 and 13-14. Yes, we should be good next year, but how likely is it really?

I recognize the miserables like to troll and infect all threads...and this is a good one.

We were good in those years. Really good. Short of great, which is the root of the problem for many.

This is less aimed at this individual piece of bait, but a general statement...the idea that really good but ultimately short is a ceiling for this coach is well stated. We get it. And convincing people on this message board one way or the other is irrelevant, as this is just an extra forum for Tiger fans...hopefully outside of going to games etc...

There are still a handful of posters remaining above the swill...although dwindling.

Team should indeed be really good next season...maybe great. Even the small errors the kids make this year will be cut back and a game like yesterday will not be as close, such that an injured player made a difference. And even this year' steam, for all its apparent hideousness, was overwhelmingly an Austin Nichols injury away from withstanding a Temple rally, and building the lead back up..and holding that lead.

We make a coaching change, we'll be a quality team next year. If not, we won't be.

(02-08-2015 10:43 AM)Mimi Wrote:  Wow.

A real reasoned post.

Yes...that stance has been made, often nastily, over and over. I have even summarized that exact take many many times.

But yes, perhaps the idea that the team has indeed been good but unable to get over that hump is due to Pastner's overall lack of ability to get them there. That is certainly possible.

That fact however is not a good reason to have turned this Tiger fan site over to Utk style bashing of our own. Which it has.

The interesting thing is how quickly the narrative changes. Heading into last season, there was recognition that the teams had been good but short of great, having lost against all ranked opponents.

Then last season the team beat not just a ranked opponent, but FIVE of them. Page turned, but team suffered a few too many big losses, so THAT became the new narrative.

Short of Sweet Sixteen goes along with that.

All likely true. But many recognize that and still enjoy supporting our school...the athletic issues fully part of the package. It is still a shame that a once decent site has fostered that...a rare pleasant response among the dozens of mocking nasty pieces of garbage notwithstanding.

...to work.

The narrative should change as new facts and trends emerge. Pastner has been given a truck load of the benefit of the doubt, but at some point that runs dry and you get to willing suspension of disbelief. If anything the evidence points to past players bearing too much of the brunt of the criticism for being merely "good" when they could be "great". Yhe narrative has changed because the facts have changed. Similar to how you have gone from defending Pastner to debating the style of debate.

(02-08-2015 10:24 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(02-07-2015 10:32 PM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  

(02-07-2015 10:30 PM)springcat Wrote:  Rephrase....We are going to be good next year IF you stay AN

and IF we have a different coach

Imagine what Pearl could do with the Lawsons.

Oh, he'd knock it out of the park here. Starting to think that Michael White would too. Archie Miller as well.

(02-08-2015 11:12 AM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 10:24 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(02-07-2015 10:32 PM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  

(02-07-2015 10:30 PM)springcat Wrote:  Rephrase....We are going to be good next year IF you stay AN

and IF we have a different coach

Imagine what Pearl could do with the Lawsons.

Oh, he'd knock it out of the park here. Starting to think that Michael White would too. Archie Miller as well.

And they will NEVER be the coach at Memphis...

(02-07-2015 11:17 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-07-2015 10:32 PM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  

(02-07-2015 10:30 PM)springcat Wrote:  Rephrase....We are going to be good next year IF you stay AN

and IF we have a different coach

He upsets the miserables...I like that about him.

He does that....


as well as turn regular fans into miserables.

(02-08-2015 11:19 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 11:12 AM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 10:24 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(02-07-2015 10:32 PM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  

(02-07-2015 10:30 PM)springcat Wrote:  Rephrase....We are going to be good next year IF you stay AN

and IF we have a different coach

Imagine what Pearl could do with the Lawsons.

Oh, he'd knock it out of the park here. Starting to think that Michael White would too. Archie Miller as well.

And they will NEVER be the coach at Memphis...

You may be right but you typed a definitive statement. Do you have definitive information or are you just shooting your mouth off?

(02-07-2015 09:51 PM)ItsDude Wrote:  If Nichols stays....the 2 Lawsons.......I can't wait.

If he leaves it will not be to the NBA. Still needs to develop more physically to handled the physical play he will see. He will be back and hopefully it will be a with a few more pounds of muscle.

(02-08-2015 10:24 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(02-07-2015 10:32 PM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  

(02-07-2015 10:30 PM)springcat Wrote:  Rephrase....We are going to be good next year IF you stay AN

and IF we have a different coach

Imagine what Pearl could do with the Lawsons.

He could be under 500 for the season and lose at home to Ole Miss. Oh wait that is what he is doing now. Yea he is such a great coach that can do so much better than what we have had.

Well since some responses have concluded that we will be better with a new coach..I guess the case is closed.

How silly.

All those whining about other opinions...yet seem incredibly unable to do the same.

(02-08-2015 11:19 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 11:12 AM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 10:24 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(02-07-2015 10:32 PM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  

(02-07-2015 10:30 PM)springcat Wrote:  Rephrase....We are going to be good next year IF you stay AN

and IF we have a different coach

Imagine what Pearl could do with the Lawsons.

Oh, he'd knock it out of the park here. Starting to think that Michael White would too. Archie Miller as well.

And they will NEVER be the coach at Memphis...

Well, glad that's been settled. What about Tony Bennett, Greg Marshall, Shaka Smart, Travis Ford, Dana Altman, Fred Hoiberg, Bobby Hurley, Tim Cluess, maybe even Brad Underwood? Ask your source about those names. We need more of your inside info that might IMPROVE the outlook here, not perpetuate it. You don't think we all like being miserables, do you?

(02-08-2015 01:53 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 10:24 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(02-07-2015 10:32 PM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  

(02-07-2015 10:30 PM)springcat Wrote:  Rephrase....We are going to be good next year IF you stay AN

and IF we have a different coach

Imagine what Pearl could do with the Lawsons.

He could be under 500 for the season and lose at home to Ole Miss. Oh wait that is what he is doing now. Yea he is such a great coach that can do so much better than what we have had.

Yea, its funny that they get a tickle up their leg from the guy that has a predicted RPI of 200 at the end of the season.

(02-08-2015 01:59 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 01:53 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 10:24 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(02-07-2015 10:32 PM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  

(02-07-2015 10:30 PM)springcat Wrote:  Rephrase....We are going to be good next year IF you stay AN

and IF we have a different coach

Imagine what Pearl could do with the Lawsons.

He could be under 500 for the season and lose at home to Ole Miss. Oh wait that is what he is doing now. Yea he is such a great coach that can do so much better than what we have had.

Yea, its funny that they get a tickle up their leg from the guy that has a predicted RPI of 200 at the end of the season.

In year 1 at a school that stinks at basketball. You guys are amazing.

(02-08-2015 11:12 AM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 10:24 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(02-07-2015 10:32 PM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  

(02-07-2015 10:30 PM)springcat Wrote:  Rephrase....We are going to be good next year IF you stay AN

and IF we have a different coach

Imagine what Pearl could do with the Lawsons.

Oh, he'd knock it out of the park here. Starting to think that Michael White would too. Archie Miller as well.

Why don't you guys just list who WOULDN'T be great at Memphis next year? Obviously would be a shorter list. Michael White. LOL.

It's the miserables that upset the stupid people.

I can't seem to pinpoint what Pastner does as an in game coach to make people think he will be better than what he's shown in 6 years.

He's had talent and can't beat the equally talented programs with regularity. Took him5 years to beat a ranked team.

And we regularly get blown out by good teams.

I just don't get it.

(02-08-2015 03:42 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  Why don't you guys just list who WOULDN'T be great at Memphis next year?

Josh Pastner

(02-08-2015 03:50 PM)memphissince86 Wrote:  I can't seem to pinpoint what Pastner does as an in game coach to make people think he will be better than what he's shown in 6 years.

He's had talent and can't beat the equally talented programs with regularity. Took him5 years to beat a ranked team.

And we regularly get blown out by good teams.

I just don't get it.

I think you just summed up what at least half of us here think.

(02-08-2015 04:08 PM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 03:42 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  Why don't you guys just list who WOULDN'T be great at Memphis next year?

Josh Pastner

How original. That's only been posted like a million times.

(02-08-2015 03:14 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 01:59 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 01:53 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 10:24 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(02-07-2015 10:32 PM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  and IF we have a different coach

Imagine what Pearl could do with the Lawsons.

He could be under 500 for the season and lose at home to Ole Miss. Oh wait that is what he is doing now. Yea he is such a great coach that can do so much better than what we have had.

Yea, its funny that they get a tickle up their leg from the guy that has a predicted RPI of 200 at the end of the season.

In year 1 at a school that stinks at basketball. You guys are amazing.

If he were that good, they would be much more competitive and won more games. Not addressing JP for everyone who lurks to turn every thread into Pastner referendum.

(02-08-2015 04:31 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 03:14 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 01:59 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 01:53 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 10:24 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  Imagine what Pearl could do with the Lawsons.

He could be under 500 for the season and lose at home to Ole Miss. Oh wait that is what he is doing now. Yea he is such a great coach that can do so much better than what we have had.

Yea, its funny that they get a tickle up their leg from the guy that has a predicted RPI of 200 at the end of the season.

In year 1 at a school that stinks at basketball. You guys are amazing.

If he were that good, they would be much more competitive and won more games. Not addressing JP for everyone who lurks to turn every thread into Pastner referendum.

Laughable...