(02-20-2015 10:35 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-20-2015 07:58 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(02-20-2015 04:48 PM)UofM_Tiger Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 03:49 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 03:05 PM)UofM_Tiger Wrote:  I don't care what the published figures are, it will cost more to upgrade than to demolish and build a new venue. The ADA upgrades required years ago were going to cost more than a new, smaller facility. Just let it go.

how do you know that? how can anyone know that? we dont know anything about re-purposing. there is no plan. there is no concept. there has been no building survey. no structural or life safety analysis. nothing - its all just supposition.

decide what purpose you would like the building to have and have a professional unbiased Architectural/MPE/Life Safety survey done. THEN we will KNOW.

I know that because years ago, when they were looking at expanding the Coliseum before building the Pyramid, the company I work for was involved in the design. One of the things looked at was what it would take to get the existing structure up to code as part of the expansion. The money then was more than what it would have cost to tear it down by a factor of 2-3. That's how.

The reason for wanting to tear it down is to replace it with a new 5000 seat arena. So the cost of the new arena has to be included.

Your position is as logical as the official who said that it should not be saved because they do not make the lights anymore and they would have to replace all the fixtures. As if they will not have to pay for lighting fixtures in the new arena.

the Coliseum cannot serve the needs that a multi court, sub 5k seat arena will...and a contract is a contract...the no compete clause is still there, and isn't going anywhere.

The Coliseum is a White Elephant

The non compete clause ONLY requires that if any events contacts the Coliseum then the MSC must inform the Fed Ex Forum and allow them first refusal before they can sign the event. The pyramid still had events in it after the Forum was built. It does not prevent the MSC from being used. It only sets up a number of hoops it has to jump through before it can sign an event. If it is not considered a "national" event then it does not even have to get permission from the Forum. Memphis Wrestling could return to the MSC for a weekly or monthly event tomorrow if it was open WITHOUT permission of the Forum. The State high school basketball playoffs can be held there WITHOUT permission of the Forum. They could all use it at it's full 11,000 seat capacity. A new arena would be limited to only 5,000 seats.

(02-21-2015 11:03 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(02-20-2015 10:35 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-20-2015 07:58 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(02-20-2015 04:48 PM)UofM_Tiger Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 03:49 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  how do you know that? how can anyone know that? we dont know anything about re-purposing. there is no plan. there is no concept. there has been no building survey. no structural or life safety analysis. nothing - its all just supposition.

decide what purpose you would like the building to have and have a professional unbiased Architectural/MPE/Life Safety survey done. THEN we will KNOW.

I know that because years ago, when they were looking at expanding the Coliseum before building the Pyramid, the company I work for was involved in the design. One of the things looked at was what it would take to get the existing structure up to code as part of the expansion. The money then was more than what it would have cost to tear it down by a factor of 2-3. That's how.

The reason for wanting to tear it down is to replace it with a new 5000 seat arena. So the cost of the new arena has to be included.

Your position is as logical as the official who said that it should not be saved because they do not make the lights anymore and they would have to replace all the fixtures. As if they will not have to pay for lighting fixtures in the new arena.

the Coliseum cannot serve the needs that a multi court, sub 5k seat arena will...and a contract is a contract...the no compete clause is still there, and isn't going anywhere.

The Coliseum is a White Elephant

The non compete clause ONLY requires that if any events contacts the Coliseum then the MSC must inform the Fed Ex Forum and allow them first refusal before they can sign the event. The pyramid still had events in it after the Forum was built. It does not prevent the MSC from being used. It only sets up a number of hoops it has to jump through before it can sign an event. If it is not considered a "national" event then it does not even have to get permission from the Forum. Memphis Wrestling could return to the MSC for a weekly or monthly event tomorrow if it was open WITHOUT permission of the Forum. The State high school basketball playoffs can be held there WITHOUT permission of the Forum. They could all use it at it's full 11,000 seat capacity. A new arena would be limited to only 5,000 seats.

For some reason the idea of a Wrestling HofF seems like such an odd, out of the box suggestion, it actually seems plausible.

Hell, throw some rides on the arena floor, a shot tower and call it the pile driver.

(02-21-2015 11:13 PM)WaywardMemphian Wrote:  

(02-21-2015 11:03 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(02-20-2015 10:35 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-20-2015 07:58 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(02-20-2015 04:48 PM)UofM_Tiger Wrote:  I know that because years ago, when they were looking at expanding the Coliseum before building the Pyramid, the company I work for was involved in the design. One of the things looked at was what it would take to get the existing structure up to code as part of the expansion. The money then was more than what it would have cost to tear it down by a factor of 2-3. That's how.

The reason for wanting to tear it down is to replace it with a new 5000 seat arena. So the cost of the new arena has to be included.

Your position is as logical as the official who said that it should not be saved because they do not make the lights anymore and they would have to replace all the fixtures. As if they will not have to pay for lighting fixtures in the new arena.

the Coliseum cannot serve the needs that a multi court, sub 5k seat arena will...and a contract is a contract...the no compete clause is still there, and isn't going anywhere.

The Coliseum is a White Elephant

The non compete clause ONLY requires that if any events contacts the Coliseum then the MSC must inform the Fed Ex Forum and allow them first refusal before they can sign the event. The pyramid still had events in it after the Forum was built. It does not prevent the MSC from being used. It only sets up a number of hoops it has to jump through before it can sign an event. If it is not considered a "national" event then it does not even have to get permission from the Forum. Memphis Wrestling could return to the MSC for a weekly or monthly event tomorrow if it was open WITHOUT permission of the Forum. The State high school basketball playoffs can be held there WITHOUT permission of the Forum. They could all use it at it's full 11,000 seat capacity. A new arena would be limited to only 5,000 seats.

For some reason the idea of a Wrestling HofF seems like such an odd, out of the box suggestion, it actually seems plausible.

Hell, throw some rides on the arena floor, a shot tower and call it the pile driver.

Lol... I'm picturing something like this... Indoor basejumping!

(02-12-2015 11:59 AM)tigerjeb Wrote:  Building CBU student marketed apartments fronting Central (like they are doing along Highland and Southern now) makes sense. Taking the Coliseum down and building a new purpose built multi-court athletic building on the footprint makes sense. 400,000 sq ft of retail makes zero sense - especially since the very ownership of the fairgrounds property would be put at risk by the venture. Leave the commercial space for Overton Square and Highland Row. Leave the resturants to Cooper-Young.

this is just crazy talk - "FREE MONEY BECAUSE ITS COMING FROM THE STATE!"

Yes Yes Yes; true words of wisdom. How many of these boondoggles are the taxpaying public going to fall for?

Especially ones that steal the promised health care benefits of those that protected us with their lives like the retired police & fire fighters?

The government is supposed to not compete with any taxpaying business. It's a conflict of interest.

I thought that the Mid-South Coliseum had a lot of issues with asbestos that precluded any attempted renovation?

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(02-19-2015 06:00 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 03:05 PM)UofM_Tiger Wrote:  

(02-19-2015 01:36 PM)kabluey Wrote:  

(02-17-2015 06:26 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(02-17-2015 10:42 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  What happened to the facility first was a cold hearted Beotch named Beth Wade. She drove all the tenants away years before the Griz even knew Memphis existed. Then a mayor who sold our soul for a NBA team. As for why there is opposition. First if you read most of the polls you will find that there is very little real opposition and the little there is comes from people who are in line to make a buck by tearing it down.

I can't blame it on Beth. The shows that weren't designated for the Pyramid went to Tunica by the droves. I don't know the real story about the hockey team, and really don't care.

I can't find it, but I remember reading that, of the three pro sports venues in Tennessee, the FedExForum turned out the best for taxpayers. Also, wasn't it completed ahead of schedule? I recall that as well. Both of those recollections could be mistaken.

The Forum was completed on budget and on schedule.

Like I've said many times, the Coliseum was a great basketball venue. I went to many, many games there over the years. I loved the place. Not a bad seat in the house. But it is way past its prime. I don't care what the published figures are, it will cost more to upgrade than to demolish and build a new venue. The ADA upgrades required years ago were going to cost more than a new, smaller facility. Just let it go.

There was also a FBI investigation of the Forum and money illegally being used that should not be used. Ended up costing the city $20 millions in highways funds and $6.2 million in State funding and embarrassment when the public parking mysteriously became private parking and an entire level of the parking garage disappeared. Not to mention the brand new roof leaked.

All completely worth it to get the Forum built...I wouldn't want to lose the Forum and Grizzlies over 20 million dollars.

(02-25-2015 02:19 PM)kabluey Wrote:  

(02-21-2015 11:13 PM)WaywardMemphian Wrote:  

(02-21-2015 11:03 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(02-20-2015 10:35 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-20-2015 07:58 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  The reason for wanting to tear it down is to replace it with a new 5000 seat arena. So the cost of the new arena has to be included.

Your position is as logical as the official who said that it should not be saved because they do not make the lights anymore and they would have to replace all the fixtures. As if they will not have to pay for lighting fixtures in the new arena.

the Coliseum cannot serve the needs that a multi court, sub 5k seat arena will...and a contract is a contract...the no compete clause is still there, and isn't going anywhere.

The Coliseum is a White Elephant

The non compete clause ONLY requires that if any events contacts the Coliseum then the MSC must inform the Fed Ex Forum and allow them first refusal before they can sign the event. The pyramid still had events in it after the Forum was built. It does not prevent the MSC from being used. It only sets up a number of hoops it has to jump through before it can sign an event. If it is not considered a "national" event then it does not even have to get permission from the Forum. Memphis Wrestling could return to the MSC for a weekly or monthly event tomorrow if it was open WITHOUT permission of the Forum. The State high school basketball playoffs can be held there WITHOUT permission of the Forum. They could all use it at it's full 11,000 seat capacity. A new arena would be limited to only 5,000 seats.

For some reason the idea of a Wrestling HofF seems like such an odd, out of the box suggestion, it actually seems plausible.

Hell, throw some rides on the arena floor, a shot tower and call it the pile driver.

Lol... I'm picturing something like this... Indoor basejumping!

true fact - the center of the coliseum celing is 89' above floor level.