I've been rooting for EMU sports (football included) for over fifty years and don't consider myself a loser. I'm a winner because I got a good education that resulted in a relatively successful career. I love the school that provided that for me and would cheer for the math department if I could. Sure, I'm disappointed when they lose. Sometimes more than others. But I will continue to cheer for them. Any idiot can cheer for a team that wins often, but it takes loyalty and devotion to cheer for those that don't. And remember, in our case, it makes each win more special.

(02-08-2015 09:42 AM)Huron 61 Wrote:  I've been rooting for EMU sports (football included) for over fifty years and don't consider myself a loser. I'm a winner because I got a good education that resulted in a relatively successful career. I love the school that provided that for me and would cheer for the math department if I could. Sure, I'm disappointed when they lose. Sometimes more than others. But I will continue to cheer for them. Any idiot can cheer for a team that wins often, but it takes loyalty and devotion to cheer for those that don't. And remember, in our case, it makes each win more special.

+100

(02-08-2015 09:45 AM)EAGLE KING Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 09:42 AM)Huron 61 Wrote:  I've been rooting for EMU sports (football included) for over fifty years and don't consider myself a loser. I'm a winner because I got a good education that resulted in a relatively successful career. I love the school that provided that for me and would cheer for the math department if I could. Sure, I'm disappointed when they lose. Sometimes more than others. But I will continue to cheer for them. Any idiot can cheer for a team that wins often, but it takes loyalty and devotion to cheer for those that don't. And remember, in our case, it makes each win more special.

+100

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(02-08-2015 09:42 AM)Huron 61 Wrote:  I've been rooting for EMU sports (football included) for over fifty years and don't consider myself a loser. I'm a winner because I got a good education that resulted in a relatively successful career. I love the school that provided that for me and would cheer for the math department if I could. Sure, I'm disappointed when they lose. Sometimes more than others. But I will continue to cheer for them. Any idiot can cheer for a team that wins often, but it takes loyalty and devotion to cheer for those that don't. And remember, in our case, it makes each win more special.

There is NO EXCUSE for failing 20 straight seasons. That is 4 recruiting classes of young men who stayed 5 years who haven't experienced a winning season. That is a crime, it is hard to do unless you are not committed to excellence, in which case they need to shut down the program. Name one other DI program who hasn't had a winning season since 1995!!!!! Name just one.

(02-07-2015 11:07 AM)holybovine Wrote:  Desert Bronco is (or WAS) the biggest internet bully I've ever seen, and that's going back 15 years or so when he was pushing people around on Mlive.

Pure karma.

You hit the nail on the head !! He was the most inflammatory, rude, biased, jerk that obviously had way too much time on his hands. With his attitude and opinions he most likely had no friends and needed to garner all the attention he could get somewhere. Unfortunately he choose our forum to do it on. It's amazing the flow we have now since he's been gone. Hard to believe one person could be so disruptive.

(02-08-2015 10:51 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 09:42 AM)Huron 61 Wrote:  I've been rooting for EMU sports (football included) for over fifty years and don't consider myself a loser. I'm a winner because I got a good education that resulted in a relatively successful career. I love the school that provided that for me and would cheer for the math department if I could. Sure, I'm disappointed when they lose. Sometimes more than others. But I will continue to cheer for them. Any idiot can cheer for a team that wins often, but it takes loyalty and devotion to cheer for those that don't. And remember, in our case, it makes each win more special.

There is NO EXCUSE for failing 20 straight seasons. That is 4 recruiting classes of young men who stayed 5 years who haven't experienced a winning season. That is a crime, it is hard to do unless you are not committed to excellence, in which case they need to shut down the program. Name one other DI program who hasn't had a winning season since 1995!!!!! Name just one.

I think you missed the point. Also, I would think there are probably a few with losing seasons. Remember, every time Alabama goes 12-0 the result is there are 12 teams with at least one loss.

(02-08-2015 11:04 AM)Huron 61 Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 10:51 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 09:42 AM)Huron 61 Wrote:  I've been rooting for EMU sports (football included) for over fifty years and don't consider myself a loser. I'm a winner because I got a good education that resulted in a relatively successful career. I love the school that provided that for me and would cheer for the math department if I could. Sure, I'm disappointed when they lose. Sometimes more than others. But I will continue to cheer for them. Any idiot can cheer for a team that wins often, but it takes loyalty and devotion to cheer for those that don't. And remember, in our case, it makes each win more special.

There is NO EXCUSE for failing 20 straight seasons. That is 4 recruiting classes of young men who stayed 5 years who haven't experienced a winning season. That is a crime, it is hard to do unless you are not committed to excellence, in which case they need to shut down the program. Name one other DI program who hasn't had a winning season since 1995!!!!! Name just one.

I think you missed the point. Also, I would think there are probably a few with losing seasons. Remember, every time Alabama goes 12-0 the result is there are 12 teams with at least one loss.

Everyone (well, not everyone) has a losing season from time to time, but not 20 in a row. And let's not forget 1995 was just 6-5! What have the other MAC schools accomplished since 1995? Are you expecting a winning season this year? If not, then when? How many losing seasons in a row before you pull the plug? At some point you have to win, just like with us--we have to produce at our jobs at a satisfactory level or we know we will be fired. If our company loses money for 20 straight years, we know it will shut down. That is reality, it is life.

(02-08-2015 09:45 AM)EAGLE KING Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 09:42 AM)Huron 61 Wrote:  I've been rooting for EMU sports (football included) for over fifty years and don't consider myself a loser. I'm a winner because I got a good education that resulted in a relatively successful career. I love the school that provided that for me and would cheer for the math department if I could. Sure, I'm disappointed when they lose. Sometimes more than others. But I will continue to cheer for them. Any idiot can cheer for a team that wins often, but it takes loyalty and devotion to cheer for those that don't. And remember, in our case, it makes each win more special.

+100

Perfectly stated and I don't join other team's fans in making fun of our teams when they're down. Anyone losing patience with Creighton after one year is plain STUPID. Yep the first season wasn't pretty but I saw the first steps in changing a culture here at EMU that half hearted effort and lack of discipline will no longer be tolerated.

I'm sure all those who are criticizing our football program will be the first to pull out their checkbooks so we can begin the task of improving our facilities.

(02-08-2015 12:59 PM)emu79 Wrote:  I'm sure all those who are criticizing our football program will be the first to pull out their checkbooks so we can begin the task of improving our facilities.

How come no one can answer my question? How many years are required before we HAVE TO HAVE a winning season? it's been two decades. Seniors on the last winning EMU football team are now 42 years old. You don't find that ridiculous? Everyone wants to deflect and redirect and villainize but no one can answer a simple question. How many more years before you require a winning season for EMU football?

(02-08-2015 01:12 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 12:59 PM)emu79 Wrote:  I'm sure all those who are criticizing our football program will be the first to pull out their checkbooks so we can begin the task of improving our facilities.

How come no one can answer my question? How many years are required before we HAVE TO HAVE a winning season? it's been two decades. Seniors on the last winning EMU football team are now 42 years old. You don't find that ridiculous? Everyone wants to deflect and redirect and villainize but no one can answer a simple question. How many more years before you require a winning season for EMU football?

I want a winning season next year. But I will continue to be a true fan even if that doesn't happen. My connection with EMU goes beyond wins. Yes I want so badly for our programs to succeed and cannot wait for that day, but I will always remain faithful to the school which has given me so much. My fandom does not come with requirements, like yours does.

(02-08-2015 01:21 PM)EAGLE KING Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 01:12 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(02-08-2015 12:59 PM)emu79 Wrote:  I'm sure all those who are criticizing our football program will be the first to pull out their checkbooks so we can begin the task of improving our facilities.

How come no one can answer my question? How many years are required before we HAVE TO HAVE a winning season? it's been two decades. Seniors on the last winning EMU football team are now 42 years old. You don't find that ridiculous? Everyone wants to deflect and redirect and villainize but no one can answer a simple question. How many more years before you require a winning season for EMU football?

I want a winning season next year. But I will continue to be a true fan even if that doesn't happen. My connection with EMU goes beyond wins. Yes I want so badly for our programs to succeed and cannot wait for that day, but I will always remain faithful to the school which has given me so much. My fandom does not come with requirements, like yours does.

Seconded.

Dear Bob,
In answer to your question: Indiana University has had as long a losing stretch as Eastern. 1995 to present. Also, although not quite fitting your time frame, Northwestern University lost twenty-three straight years from 1972- 1994.
Whoa....Nellie, and these are Big Ten teams!

(02-08-2015 01:50 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Bob,
In answer to your question: Indiana University has had as long a losing stretch as Eastern. 1995 to present. Also, although not quite fitting your time frame, Northwestern University lost twenty-three straight years from 1972- 1994.
Whoa....Nellie, and these are Big Ten teams!

Ken, are you sure about Indiana? I know they had some success relatively recently with the great Antwaan Randle-El at QB.

Make no mistake, I am not blaming Coach Creighton, but trust me, he knew what he was getting into. He knew he had to win quickly due to the sins of past coaches and AD's. He also knew he was getting MUCH bigger checks then the ones he was receiving at Drake. He doesn't have the luxury of building a program slowly, he knows that and his agent knows that.

(02-06-2015 03:20 PM)emu steve Wrote:  Wow, I just read the Deadspin article and the subject matter of what they were posting about...

Oh, s*it!!! (I won't discuss it here).

As I remember things, (SOME) WMU fans were really, really upset with Fleck for that 1 - 11 season in 2013. They really had no confidence in his abilities, considered him a 2nd rate coach and charlatan who could recruit by whatever means, etc. (those type of things).

Apparently they went far, far beyond questioning his professional abilities, and the wisdom of the AD to hire such a young, inexperienced coach and into areas which legally could be considered slanderous.

There were 11 posters out of hundreds that got the warning, three of which are being sued. Most of us rational people were skeptical about Fleck's ability to coach. Most of us who follow recruiting knew he was recruiting his butt off despite the losing record. And I think the level-headed people wanted to wait and see. He didn't really have to tear the whole thing down, but that's what he did. The result was 1-11. However, if you looked at his roster the first year, it was pretty sad. Our best players were injured.

I am glad I took the wait and see approach.

As for message board antics, I will say this. To me. That was slander. They may want to back up and say it's no harm now, we didn't mean it...etc...but it was malicious, and it affected someone that has nothing to do with whether or not coach Fleck is a good coach. It's personal to her. And I wish her luck.

(02-08-2015 04:08 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 03:20 PM)emu steve Wrote:  Wow, I just read the Deadspin article and the subject matter of what they were posting about...

Oh, s*it!!! (I won't discuss it here).

As I remember things, (SOME) WMU fans were really, really upset with Fleck for that 1 - 11 season in 2013. They really had no confidence in his abilities, considered him a 2nd rate coach and charlatan who could recruit by whatever means, etc. (those type of things).

Apparently they went far, far beyond questioning his professional abilities, and the wisdom of the AD to hire such a young, inexperienced coach and into areas which legally could be considered slanderous.

There were 11 posters out of hundreds that got the warning, three of which are being sued. Most of us rational people were skeptical about Fleck's ability to coach. Most of us who follow recruiting knew he was recruiting his butt off despite the losing record. And I think the level-headed people wanted to wait and see. He didn't really have to tear the whole thing down, but that's what he did. The result was 1-11. However, if you looked at his roster the first year, it was pretty sad. Our best players were injured.

I am glad I took the wait and see approach.

As for message board antics, I will say this. To me. That was slander. They may want to back up and say it's no harm now, we didn't mean it...etc...but it was malicious, and it affected someone that has nothing to do with whether or not coach Fleck is a good coach. It's personal to her. And I wish her luck.

I think it is frivolous but obviously, Fleck is a winner.

Dear Bob,
I did double check Indiana, and they had a winning season in 2007. So I guess you were right. However, one season in twenty is nothing to crow about as far as I'm concerned. The Northwestern record was twenty-three straight losing seasons as I mentioned. I checked about half dozen schools, and many would lose eight to ten seasons in a row, and then win one or two seasons in a row. Then revert to losing several seasons in a row. Schools like Duke, New Mexico State, Kent State, etc.

(02-08-2015 07:29 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Bob,
I did double check Indiana, and they had a winning season in 2007. So I guess you were right. However, one season in twenty is nothing to crow about as far as I'm concerned. The Northwestern record was twenty-three straight losing seasons as I mentioned. I checked about half dozen schools, and many would lose eight to ten seasons in a row, and then win one or two seasons in a row. Then revert to losing several seasons in a row. Schools like Duke, New Mexico State, Kent State, etc.

Yes, I know. But we are talking 20 seasons and there is no end in sight. We are talking historic suckiness. You have to keep in perspective how long 20 years is...think back 20 years, what were you doing? A lot of us will be dead in another 20 years. This drought is inexcusable.

Dear Bob,
I would disagree with you on the fact that I and several others do see an end to the drought. It may take a couple of more seasons, but it is coming.
A while back when discussing this situation, I mentioned that administrators as well as some of the coaches we had from 1996 to 2000 did their part in keeping Eastern on the losing track. Dave Diles as athletic director was one of the culprits, and Jeff Woodruff as head football coach was another. They were some of the worst people one could have hired, for those positions.