https://www.rivals.com/

Next time someone says "SEC bias" look no further than what the SEC is doing in recruiting. Five SEC teams pulled in top ten recruiting classes and five other SEC teams pulled in classes between 11-25.

Regardless of what one may or may not do in the NFL that is a lot of college talent and 2014 was a pretty similar situation. I would not be surprised to see around 10 SEC teams in the preseason polls despite how the bowl games went this year.

But in my opinion the biggest winner was USC.

Even last year they pulled in some extremely great talent on defense despite hurting from sanctions. And they have got some serious talent coming in to play defense from this class.

It's almost unavoidable for preseason rankings to be influenced by recruiting rankings.

#SECBias kicks in when the teams actually play, and every team is dropped about 6 spots for a loss except SEC teams, which are only dropped 4 spots... that has NOTHING to do with recruiting.

(02-05-2015 01:05 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  It's almost unavoidable for preseason rankings to be influenced by recruiting rankings.

#SECBias kicks in when the teams actually play, and every team is dropped about 6 spots for a loss except SEC teams, which are only dropped 4 spots... that has NOTHING to do with recruiting.

There probably is some bias but it actually does have to do with recruiting.

When you bring in a lot of talent your naturally going to be considered a talented team. So when the other teams are also just as talented your losing to another talented team.

A 3 loss SEC could technically have a lot more talent than a 1 loss Big 12 team and that's true if you look at each individual player. You can't but a number on heart and tenacity but using the metrics it makes sense for the SEC teams not to drop as much.

Underwhelming is the way I would describe our class... Not bad, not Great.

To play devil's advocate... What impact does a school's interest in a player have on that player's rating?

(02-05-2015 01:18 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Underwhelming is the way I would describe our class... Not bad, not Great.

ND recruiting facts/results/rankings:


Recruit list, position and position ranking (Rivals):

--24 recruits signed


Name Pos Ht/Wt Rank

Josh Adams RB 6-3/210 47
Josh Barajas LB 6-3/212 13
Asmar Bilal LB 6-3/196 17
Miles Boykin WR 6-3/225 17
Nick Coleman DB 6-0/175 63
Tevon Coney LB 6-0/221 6
Shaun Crawford DB 5-9/170 7
Micah Dew-Treadway DT 6-5/273 36
Nicco Fertitta DB 5-9/172 54
Jalen Guyton WR 6-1/185 56
Tristen Hoge OL 6-4/285 1
Alize Jones TE 6-5/220 4
Trevor Ruhland OL 6-4/275 30
CJ Sanders WR 5-10/185 37
Equanimeous St. Brown WR 6-5/190 15
Elijah Taylor DT 6-3/285 39
Brandon Tiassum DT 6-4/296 28
Jerry Tillery DT 6-6/314 15
Bo Wallace LB 6-4/215 26
Ashton White DB 5-11/182 75
Dexter Williams RB 5-11/195 12
Mykelti Williams DB 6-0/185 16
Brandon Wimbush QB 6-1/212 4
Justin Yoon K 5-11/185 1


---Rivals has ND with 13 4 star recruits and 11 three star ones.


---They hail from 15 states

2 CA
2 FL
1 ID
3 IL
4 IN
2 LA
1 MA
1 MD
1 NJ
2 NV
3 OH
1 PA
1 TX


---16 of the 24 recruits earned All-American recognition


---Rankings of ND's recruiting class:


SCOUT --#7

RIVALS --#11

24/7 --#13

ESPN --#13

MAXPREPS --#13


Not a bad class at all. I concur with domer 1978 that it is a good but not great class.

(02-05-2015 12:58 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  https://www.rivals.com/

Next time someone says "SEC bias" look no further than what the SEC is doing in recruiting. Five SEC teams pulled in top ten recruiting classes and five other SEC teams pulled in classes between 11-25.

Regardless of what one may or may not do in the NFL that is a lot of college talent and 2014 was a pretty similar situation. I would not be surprised to see around 10 SEC teams in the preseason polls despite how the bowl games went this year.

But in my opinion the biggest winner was USC.

Even last year they pulled in some extremely great talent on defense despite hurting from sanctions. And they have got some serious talent coming in to play defense from this class.

Paul Johnson, Georgia Tech coach, was quoted today in the AJC. Said they were recruiting a 2 star running back. Then a top 5 school started recruiting him. 3 days later he was a 4 star.

I expect this year's high recruiting ranking to be the norm for Penn State under Franklin. It also has an impact on Maryland and Rutgers, both of whom had classes ranked in the 50s. Penn State used to be able to go into Maryland and New Jersey and pick who they wanted; those days may be back.

(02-05-2015 01:23 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(02-05-2015 01:18 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Underwhelming is the way I would describe our class... Not bad, not Great.

From the perspective of growing up in South Bend, it takes some special commitment to willingly submit yourself to four miserable winters if you also had offers for places like Austin, Atlanta, Tucson, or Tallahassee.

(02-05-2015 01:23 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-05-2015 12:58 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  https://www.rivals.com/

Next time someone says "SEC bias" look no further than what the SEC is doing in recruiting. Five SEC teams pulled in top ten recruiting classes and five other SEC teams pulled in classes between 11-25.

Regardless of what one may or may not do in the NFL that is a lot of college talent and 2014 was a pretty similar situation. I would not be surprised to see around 10 SEC teams in the preseason polls despite how the bowl games went this year.

But in my opinion the biggest winner was USC.

Even last year they pulled in some extremely great talent on defense despite hurting from sanctions. And they have got some serious talent coming in to play defense from this class.

Paul Johnson, Georgia Tech coach, was quoted today in the AJC. Said they were recruiting a 2 star running back. Then a top 5 school started recruiting him. 3 days later he was a 4 star.

If analysts for Rivals, 247, Scout etc., are so good I wonder why college programs don't hire them and pay them well? I would like to see how good they would be if they had zero info on who has what offers.

(02-05-2015 02:12 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(02-05-2015 01:23 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(02-05-2015 01:18 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Underwhelming is the way I would describe our class... Not bad, not Great.

From the perspective of growing up in South Bend, it takes some special commitment to willingly submit yourself to four miserable winters if you also had offers for places like Austin, Atlanta, Tucson, or Tallahassee.

Left out places like PSU, OSU, Michigan ect. all deal with what we do(Too varying degrees). If we win we recruit real well, if we're mediocre(8-5 type season) we are usually in the top 15 or so(Like this year).

(02-05-2015 02:12 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(02-05-2015 01:23 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(02-05-2015 01:18 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Underwhelming is the way I would describe our class... Not bad, not Great.

From the perspective of growing up in South Bend, it takes some special commitment to willingly submit yourself to four miserable winters if you also had offers for places like Austin, Atlanta, Tucson, or Tallahassee.

It is just good training in case one is drafted by Green Bay, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Minnesota, New England, etc....

(02-05-2015 01:23 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-05-2015 12:58 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  https://www.rivals.com/

Next time someone says "SEC bias" look no further than what the SEC is doing in recruiting. Five SEC teams pulled in top ten recruiting classes and five other SEC teams pulled in classes between 11-25.

Regardless of what one may or may not do in the NFL that is a lot of college talent and 2014 was a pretty similar situation. I would not be surprised to see around 10 SEC teams in the preseason polls despite how the bowl games went this year.

But in my opinion the biggest winner was USC.

Even last year they pulled in some extremely great talent on defense despite hurting from sanctions. And they have got some serious talent coming in to play defense from this class.

Paul Johnson, Georgia Tech coach, was quoted today in the AJC. Said they were recruiting a 2 star running back. Then a top 5 school started recruiting him. 3 days later he was a 4 star.

Interesting, I have a feeling that this did not exactly happen like this.

Since your going with this story how about your provide his name? Then provide his Freshman & Sophomore statistics, and compare them with his Junior & Senior statistics.

Then also provide the size of the school he attended and the record of the team.

Even if it did happen like that oversight of players always happens but who really cares. It's the top 300 that matter and who get's the most players in the top 300.

I love ours. Arguably the best class both in ranking and filling needs in our history. Half of the class enrolled in January and will go through Spring Practice.

Pleased with ours. One or two spots could have been better but we've got some solid playmakers coming in, especially on defense where we need a lot of help right now.

Texas Tech had a good class and we got some skill players that will help us tremendously.

I am happy and perplexed with just a dash of frustration. Arkansas had a great class. We were able to satisfy a lot of our needs. But when you compare with other classes and conferences. I soon realize how hard it is for us.

This is how we placed in the SEC and how we would place in other conferences.

SEC- 11th
Big12- 3rd
Big10- 4th
ACC- 4th
PAC12- 4th
AAC - 1st

(02-05-2015 09:46 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  I am happy and perplexed with just a dash of frustration. Arkansas had a great class. We were able to satisfy a lot of our needs. But when you compare with other classes and conferences. I soon realize how hard it is for us.

This is how we placed in the SEC and how we would place in other conferences.

SEC- 11th
Big12- 3rd
Big10- 4th
ACC- 4th
PAC12- 4th
AAC - 1st

Arkansas would be welcomed with open arms in the Big 12.

Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Tx Tech, TCU and Baylor within easy driving distance for most Hog fans.

One can dream, right???

(02-05-2015 10:10 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(02-05-2015 09:46 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  I am happy and perplexed with just a dash of frustration. Arkansas had a great class. We were able to satisfy a lot of our needs. But when you compare with other classes and conferences. I soon realize how hard it is for us.

This is how we placed in the SEC and how we would place in other conferences.

SEC- 11th
Big12- 3rd
Big10- 4th
ACC- 4th
PAC12- 4th
AAC - 1st

Arkansas would be welcomed with open arms in the Big 12.

Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Tx Tech, TCU and Baylor within easy driving distance for most Hog fans.

One can dream, right???

Never hurts. Those Six plus Arkansas would be a solid base for a conference.