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Ex-ObamaCare adviser Gruber: Tax fat people by body weight
So the leftists want to tax fat so people remain healthy, eh? How about taxing sexual preferences where AIDS runs high? Or how about taxing blacks in Chicago because they got shot a lot? Where does this crap end?

Quote:Jonathan Gruber, long credited as the architect of ObamaCare, once discussed the necessity of taxing fat people by body weight in order to fight obesity.

“Ultimately, what may be needed to address the obesity problem are direct taxes on body weight,” Gruber wrote in an essay for the National Institute for Health Care Management in April 2010, just months after helping design ObamaCare with the president in the Oval Office and during the period in which he was under contract as an Obama administration consultant.

“While it is hard to conceive of this approach being a common public policy tool in the near term, such taxation may be happening indirectly through health insurance surcharges,” he wrote. “Currently, employers may charge up to 20 percent higher health insurance premiums for employees who fail to meet certain health-related standards, such as attaining a healthy BMI.”

“The new health reform legislation increases this differential to 30 percent, with the possibility of rising to 50 percent. Results of programs that use differential premiums to impose direct financial penalties for obesity will bear watching in the future.”

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And tax those that are chronically ill!
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The ******** in me says do it. The plague of morbidly obese folks in this country is disgusting.
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(02-04-2015 08:15 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The ******** in me says do it. The plague of morbidly obese folks in this country is disgusting.

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(02-04-2015 08:15 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The ******** in me says do it. The plague of morbidly obese folks in this country is disgusting.
Damn right.
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Why don't they apply that to medical insurance? People with prior conditions are a higher risk to incur more medical bills. But they don't allow people with prior conditions to be treated differently than anyone else.

Let's just single out the fatties!
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You can tax this guy all you want...

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(02-04-2015 09:31 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Why don't they apply that to medical insurance? People with prior conditions are a higher risk to incur more medical bills. But they don't allow people with prior conditions to be treated differently than anyone else.

Let's just single out the fatties!

Being fat isn't a condition. It's a choice.
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(02-04-2015 09:39 PM)Niner National Wrote:  
(02-04-2015 09:31 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Why don't they apply that to medical insurance? People with prior conditions are a higher risk to incur more medical bills. But they don't allow people with prior conditions to be treated differently than anyone else.

Let's just single out the fatties!

Being fat isn't a condition. It's a choice.

Many (or most) prior conditions are a result of choices, such as liver failure from years of drinking.
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Being fat is one of those excuses people are comfortable buying; it's like "the email must not have gone through."
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Here's what I dont understand. But maybe since my "BMI" isn't ideal, maybe I'm a little biased. I'm not a fat apologist. I don't eat 10k calories a day. I don't weight 400lbs.

Hypothetical situation:
Say John is 40 years old. John is very obese, but is in otherwise good health. However John is able to hold his job down and has medical insurance.

Say Jack is also 40 years old and is in normal physical shape and is also in good health. Jack also has a job and medical insurance.

Both guys continue working for several more years, with their normal check-ups and maybe even a specialist visit or two. At 59, John (the obese guy) drops dead from a massive heart attack. John was still working at the time and his medical insurance takes care of most of his final medical bills.

Jack continues on working and retires 65 and eventually starts withdrawing social security and gets put on medicare. At 75, as a bunch of elderly people do, Jack starts getting sick alot. He spends some time in-and-out of hospitals and rehab facilities. He eventually dies at the age of 83.

Who really cost the taxpayers the most money?

John, who died of a heart attack caused by too many years of eating cheeseburgers and loaded fries that cause his arteries to clog up? John never took out medicare or social security.

Jack took out social security and medicare/medicaid, and spent a good part of the last years of his life being looked after by doctors, nurses, etc. Near/and End-of-life care for the elderly is some of the most expensive medical costs that can be had. I think one of the articles linked below said that 30% of all the medical costs that you'll acquire in your lifetime happen in the last year of your life.

http://www.reportingonhealth.org/2012/10...life-costs
http://circoutcomes.ahajournals.org/cont...2/127.full


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I'm not saying fat folks shouldn't lose wait. Nor am I a proponent of "death panels" for the elderly. I'm just trying to say, dont believe the media hype that fat people are the cause of the countries medical cost problem.
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(02-05-2015 01:45 PM)muffinman Wrote:  Here's what I dont understand. But maybe since my "BMI" isn't ideal, maybe I'm a little biased. I'm not a fat apologist. I don't eat 10k calories a day. I don't weight 400lbs.

Hypothetical situation:
Say John is 40 years old. John is very obese, but is in otherwise good health. However John is able to hold his job down and has medical insurance.

Say Jack is also 40 years old and is in normal physical shape and is also in good health. Jack also has a job and medical insurance.

Both guys continue working for several more years, with their normal check-ups and maybe even a specialist visit or two. At 59, John (the obese guy) drops dead from a massive heart attack. John was still working at the time and his medical insurance takes care of most of his final medical bills.

Jack continues on working and retires 65 and eventually starts withdrawing social security and gets put on medicare. At 75, as a bunch of elderly people do, Jack starts getting sick alot. He spends some time in-and-out of hospitals and rehab facilities. He eventually dies at the age of 83.

Who really cost the taxpayers the most money?

John, who died of a heart attack caused by too many years of eating cheeseburgers and loaded fries that cause his arteries to clog up? John never took out medicare or social security.

Jack took out social security and medicare/medicaid, and spent a good part of the last years of his life being looked after by doctors, nurses, etc. Near/and End-of-life care for the elderly is some of the most expensive medical costs that can be had. I think one of the articles linked below said that 30% of all the medical costs that you'll acquire in your lifetime happen in the last year of your life.

http://www.reportingonhealth.org/2012/10...life-costs
http://circoutcomes.ahajournals.org/cont...2/127.full


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I'm not saying fat folks shouldn't lose wait. Nor am I a proponent of "death panels" for the elderly. I'm just trying to say, dont believe the media hype that fat people are the cause of the countries medical cost problem.
Few people really drop dead from a heart attack at a relatively young age though.

The more likely scenario is the fat person has multiple heart issues, diabetes, or a slew of other obesity related issues. They are on multiple expensive medications for decades just to stay alive.

They then retire, and live fewer years than Jack, but still long enough to require hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars in healthcare costs.

In the scenario you presented, Jack absolutely costs more money than John, but fat people just aren't dropping dead before retirement age at a crazy rate. Plenty of them make it through to old age and are a burden on the healthcare system from their 30's or 40's all the way until they die in their 60's or 70's whereas the Jacks of the world often aren't a burden on the medical system until their 60's or later.
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(02-05-2015 01:45 PM)muffinman Wrote:  Here's what I dont understand. But maybe since my "BMI" isn't ideal, maybe I'm a little biased. I'm not a fat apologist. I don't eat 10k calories a day. I don't weight 400lbs.

Hypothetical situation:
Say John is 40 years old. John is very obese, but is in otherwise good health. However John is able to hold his job down and has medical insurance.

Say Jack is also 40 years old and is in normal physical shape and is also in good health. Jack also has a job and medical insurance.

Both guys continue working for several more years, with their normal check-ups and maybe even a specialist visit or two. At 59, John (the obese guy) drops dead from a massive heart attack. John was still working at the time and his medical insurance takes care of most of his final medical bills.

Jack continues on working and retires 65 and eventually starts withdrawing social security and gets put on medicare. At 75, as a bunch of elderly people do, Jack starts getting sick alot. He spends some time in-and-out of hospitals and rehab facilities. He eventually dies at the age of 83.

Who really cost the taxpayers the most money?

John, who died of a heart attack caused by too many years of eating cheeseburgers and loaded fries that cause his arteries to clog up? John never took out medicare or social security.

Jack took out social security and medicare/medicaid, and spent a good part of the last years of his life being looked after by doctors, nurses, etc. Near/and End-of-life care for the elderly is some of the most expensive medical costs that can be had. I think one of the articles linked below said that 30% of all the medical costs that you'll acquire in your lifetime happen in the last year of your life.

http://www.reportingonhealth.org/2012/10...life-costs
http://circoutcomes.ahajournals.org/cont...2/127.full


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I'm not saying fat folks shouldn't lose wait. Nor am I a proponent of "death panels" for the elderly. I'm just trying to say, dont believe the media hype that fat people are the cause of the countries medical cost problem.

that was pretty good....

I have said it for as long as I can remember......-it's easily more cost effective to die young....I can remember my mom flippin' out in disbelief when I was around 5 yrs old.....

when 'baby boomer' was coined, I told her I 'hated' her generation and gave her many 'thanks' in return 03-wink

it's really simple until that 'morality card' rears it's ugly head....

I just knew thread had humor value.....
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RE: Ex-ObamaCare adviser Gruber: Tax fat people by body weight
Stupid proposal. Body weight is just one of many variables. I have a relative that is a raging alcoholic (like a 750 of vodka per day) and weighs about 130 pounds, if that. I'd rather insure a fat guy. I don't want the government knowing my weight or any other health information (and I am normal weight and healthy). I guess that is why it has been about 7 years since I have seen a doctor and that was just to get Tamiflu from a doc in the box.
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