As a Louisville fan, I hate this whole situation. BP screwed up, he should have signed the kid as offered. It not worth the PR hit he is taking (like he needed another one). But I am also totally against the greyshirt rule and wish the NCAA would eliminate it.

I'm not happy with it, but i understand it. But then Why turn around at the last minute and take another RB ? Go Figure

The offer was never pulled fir it is still on the table if he wants it. This is exactly the same thing that happen Lonzo Mauldin when he was committed to South Carolina and Spurrier pulled his offer so to say and offered up the greyshirt proposal. This happens every where, but since it was done here at Louisville its considered to be a act of treason upon the staff and Petrino in how they do business. Whats the difference here than all these schools who over signed???

Louisville informed him before NSD unlike all these other players who think they are going to be apart of the 2015 recruiting class at their school. These players are going to be offered a greyshirt proposal or a get out of jail free card to pursue other schools, but under certain conditions of the school that over signed them most likely. If Louisville were in the SEC this would have been brushed under the rug, but since we are some what a new kid on the block so to say amongst the P5 in the ACC we are looked at at doing things the wrong way, but are we really or just doing like everyone else each and every year????

(02-06-2015 08:14 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 12:23 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Dirtbag can't honor a commitment to his wife so why would he honor one to a high school kid? What a fine example for young men.

Ouch!

Yeah because Coach Petrino was the first coach to ever cheat on his wife...?!?

I think this ENTIRE Board does not understand how a "Greyshirt" works.? Auburn did it the exact same day as well just NO PRESS..?!? wonder why?
FLossY Out...

(02-06-2015 12:53 PM)HRFlossY Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 08:14 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 12:23 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Dirtbag can't honor a commitment to his wife so why would he honor one to a high school kid? What a fine example for young men.

Ouch!

Yeah because Coach Petrino was the first coach to ever cheat on his wife...?!?

I think this ENTIRE Board does not understand how a "Greyshirt" works.? Auburn did it the exact same day as well just NO PRESS..?!? wonder why?
FLossY Out...

I don't know what the circumstances were with Auburn, but their coach is Malzhan. Louisvilles coach is Petrino. That's the difference. Anything remotely negative about Petrino is going to get press. The sportsworld loves to hate on someone who is easy to hate. Jameis Winston falls in that category.

(02-06-2015 12:53 PM)HRFlossY Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 08:14 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 12:23 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Dirtbag can't honor a commitment to his wife so why would he honor one to a high school kid? What a fine example for young men.

Ouch!

Yeah because Coach Petrino was the first coach to ever cheat on his wife...?!?

I think this ENTIRE Board does not understand how a "Greyshirt" works.? Auburn did it the exact same day as well just NO PRESS..?!? wonder why?
FLossY Out...

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba-wives-and-g...s-extorted

I dont think people realize just how often these things occur. From coaches to athletes to celebrities to ordinary people, men & women. It's unfortunate and hideous and it's a plague on society.

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A bunch on here need to understand that Big Time College sports are a business. During the recruiting process either the University can decide to go in another direction or the player can do the same. Grow up neither the school or the recruit is entitle to special treatment. It is exactly like a job search and until the commitment letter arrives and is signed there is nothing bidding on either party. Just like any company will take the best candid, so will an University. The kid could have wait until January 2016 and had a scholarship. Like waiting one semester was going to ruin his life.

(02-06-2015 03:51 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  A bunch on here need to understand that Big Time College sports are a business. During the recruiting process either the University can decide to go in another direction or the player can do the same. Grow up neither the school or the recruit is entitle to special treatment. It is exactly like a job search and until the commitment letter arrives and is signed there is nothing bidding on either party. Just like any company will take the best candid, so will an University. The kid could have wait until January 2016 and had a scholarship. Like waiting one semester was going to ruin his life.

Funny how most of the schools in "Big Time College Sports" can manage to do business without looking like while doing it.

Like I have said many times in discussions on this topic.....if as a Louisville fan y'all are OK with your coach being a immoral jerk that is more a reflection on you than any of us. I'm just glad Clemson is up front and above board in our dealings with recruits.

(02-06-2015 04:40 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 03:51 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  A bunch on here need to understand that Big Time College sports are a business. During the recruiting process either the University can decide to go in another direction or the player can do the same. Grow up neither the school or the recruit is entitle to special treatment. It is exactly like a job search and until the commitment letter arrives and is signed there is nothing bidding on either party. Just like any company will take the best candid, so will an University. The kid could have wait until January 2016 and had a scholarship. Like waiting one semester was going to ruin his life.

Funny how most of the schools in "Big Time College Sports" can manage to do business without looking like while doing it.

Like I have said many times in discussions on this topic.....if as a Louisville fan y'all are OK with your coach being a immoral jerk that is more a reflection on you than any of us. I'm just glad Clemson is up front and above board in our dealings with recruits.

Hey Kap, you know if Coach Knotts has ever kicked a HIGHSCHOOL kid off his team?
Seems like a tough guy:

http://www.thestate.com/2014/12/04/38539...build.html


Has he ever asked a kid to leave his program to your knowledge?


I agree with you, Dabo is a great coach and should never be fired and should never leave Clemson. Match made in heaven.

http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2014/11/2...ippi-state

http://www.tennessean.com/story/vols/201.../22123845/

Here are 2 other similar cases.

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(02-06-2015 04:47 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 04:40 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 03:51 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  A bunch on here need to understand that Big Time College sports are a business. During the recruiting process either the University can decide to go in another direction or the player can do the same. Grow up neither the school or the recruit is entitle to special treatment. It is exactly like a job search and until the commitment letter arrives and is signed there is nothing bidding on either party. Just like any company will take the best candid, so will an University. The kid could have wait until January 2016 and had a scholarship. Like waiting one semester was going to ruin his life.

Funny how most of the schools in "Big Time College Sports" can manage to do business without looking like while doing it.

Like I have said many times in discussions on this topic.....if as a Louisville fan y'all are OK with your coach being a immoral jerk that is more a reflection on you than any of us. I'm just glad Clemson is up front and above board in our dealings with recruits.

Hey Kap, you know if Coach Knotts has ever kicked a HIGHSCHOOL kid off his team?
Seems like a tough guy:

http://www.thestate.com/2014/12/04/38539...build.html


Has he ever asked a kid to leave his program to your knowledge?


I agree with you, Dabo is a great coach and should never be fired and should never leave Clemson. Match made in heaven.

I'm sure he has kicked kids off his team for not meeting the standards set. Just like every other coach. Ask Mike Bellamy, Chad Kelly, and Ky Priester what happens at Clemson if you fail to meet your obligations.

And Knotts is a taskmaster. He demands a lot from his kids, assistant coaches and himself. It shows on the field as he has either won or played for three straight championships in SC's strongest high school division.

I guess what I'm saying is I fail to see how either compares to a college coach with a well known lack of morals "discovering" weeks, and in one case almost two months, after some underclassmen declare for the draft that he has a deficiency on his roster and cuts a kid loose. Oh yeah, and he does it on the eve of Signing Day to a kid who shut down recruiting and stayed loyal for over half a year and the only other college campus he set foot on was Wofford while he was at the Shrine Bowl. I guess I can't twist things around to where my thinking is so convoluted that the situations are exactly the same.

Hey Guys We're coming up in the World. Just made Keith Olbermann's Worlds Worst ! AWESOME! Elite Status.

Just curious to know how many schools OVER signed kids this past NSD??? Also what is going to happen to those players??? If memory serves me correctly the limit is 25 players per year unless the following year they didn't meet their so called quota.

(02-06-2015 05:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 04:47 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 04:40 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 03:51 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  A bunch on here need to understand that Big Time College sports are a business. During the recruiting process either the University can decide to go in another direction or the player can do the same. Grow up neither the school or the recruit is entitle to special treatment. It is exactly like a job search and until the commitment letter arrives and is signed there is nothing bidding on either party. Just like any company will take the best candid, so will an University. The kid could have wait until January 2016 and had a scholarship. Like waiting one semester was going to ruin his life.

Funny how most of the schools in "Big Time College Sports" can manage to do business without looking like while doing it.

Like I have said many times in discussions on this topic.....if as a Louisville fan y'all are OK with your coach being a immoral jerk that is more a reflection on you than any of us. I'm just glad Clemson is up front and above board in our dealings with recruits.

Hey Kap, you know if Coach Knotts has ever kicked a HIGHSCHOOL kid off his team?
Seems like a tough guy:

http://www.thestate.com/2014/12/04/38539...build.html


Has he ever asked a kid to leave his program to your knowledge?


I agree with you, Dabo is a great coach and should never be fired and should never leave Clemson. Match made in heaven.

I'm sure he has kicked kids off his team for not meeting the standards set. Just like every other coach. Ask Mike Bellamy, Chad Kelly, and Ky Priester what happens at Clemson if you fail to meet your obligations.

And Knotts is a taskmaster. He demands a lot from his kids, assistant coaches and himself. It shows on the field as he has either won or played for three straight championships in SC's strongest high school division.

I guess what I'm saying is I fail to see how either compares to a college coach with a well known lack of morals "discovering" weeks, and in one case almost two months, after some underclassmen declare for the draft that he has a deficiency on his roster and cuts a kid loose. Oh yeah, and he does it on the eve of Signing Day to a kid who shut down recruiting and stayed loyal for over half a year and the only other college campus he set foot on was Wofford while he was at the Shrine Bowl. I guess I can't twist things around to where my thinking is so convoluted that the situations are exactly the same.

Damn Kap, really? Of course Patrino knew he needed DB's, thats why he recruited a bunch of them. Answer me this Kap, why would you grey shirt someone when your commitment #'s are in the teens? The Cards didn't have 25 commits until the final week & on NSD they signed 24. How can you ask someone to grey shirt before you even know yourself that it may be necessary? Unlike Clemson & GT the Cards dont pull offers when kids take other visits. Nobody threatened to pull Colburns if he did either. Lets face it, the real reason why Colburn & his coach are upset is because Louisville was the best offer that he was going to get. There is nothing wrong with a grey shirt when the kid needs the extra time to make the transition from high school to college. Where is your proof Kap that Patrino knew that he would be over the limit & deliberately waited until then to tell him? If you were watching the Cards commitment list you would know that come January that they roughly had 20 commits, where's the inclination that you need to grey shirt instead of red shirt someone? Show me your proof of malice on Petrino's part.

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(02-06-2015 05:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 04:47 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 04:40 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 03:51 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  A bunch on here need to understand that Big Time College sports are a business. During the recruiting process either the University can decide to go in another direction or the player can do the same. Grow up neither the school or the recruit is entitle to special treatment. It is exactly like a job search and until the commitment letter arrives and is signed there is nothing bidding on either party. Just like any company will take the best candid, so will an University. The kid could have wait until January 2016 and had a scholarship. Like waiting one semester was going to ruin his life.

Funny how most of the schools in "Big Time College Sports" can manage to do business without looking like while doing it.

Like I have said many times in discussions on this topic.....if as a Louisville fan y'all are OK with your coach being a immoral jerk that is more a reflection on you than any of us. I'm just glad Clemson is up front and above board in our dealings with recruits.

Hey Kap, you know if Coach Knotts has ever kicked a HIGHSCHOOL kid off his team?
Seems like a tough guy:

http://www.thestate.com/2014/12/04/38539...build.html


Has he ever asked a kid to leave his program to your knowledge?


I agree with you, Dabo is a great coach and should never be fired and should never leave Clemson. Match made in heaven.

I'm sure he has kicked kids off his team for not meeting the standards set. Just like every other coach. Ask Mike Bellamy, Chad Kelly, and Ky Priester what happens at Clemson if you fail to meet your obligations.

And Knotts is a taskmaster. He demands a lot from his kids, assistant coaches and himself. It shows on the field as he has either won or played for three straight championships in SC's strongest high school division.

I guess what I'm saying is I fail to see how either compares to a college coach with a well known lack of morals "discovering" weeks, and in one case almost two months, after some underclassmen declare for the draft that he has a deficiency on his roster and cuts a kid loose. Oh yeah, and he does it on the eve of Signing Day to a kid who shut down recruiting and stayed loyal for over half a year and the only other college campus he set foot on was Wofford while he was at the Shrine Bowl. I guess I can't twist things around to where my thinking is so convoluted that the situations are exactly the same.

And you know Kap, this is what kills me the most and I appreciate you keeping this about the coaches and not the kid. He is a stud both on and off the field. I can't help but think that part of the bitterness in this situation is that we spoiled a coach and a players chance to poke the local Universities in the eye.
Instead, it is a big, "We told you so" moment. I hate that worse than anything.

(02-06-2015 06:34 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 05:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 04:47 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 04:40 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 03:51 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  A bunch on here need to understand that Big Time College sports are a business. During the recruiting process either the University can decide to go in another direction or the player can do the same. Grow up neither the school or the recruit is entitle to special treatment. It is exactly like a job search and until the commitment letter arrives and is signed there is nothing bidding on either party. Just like any company will take the best candid, so will an University. The kid could have wait until January 2016 and had a scholarship. Like waiting one semester was going to ruin his life.

Funny how most of the schools in "Big Time College Sports" can manage to do business without looking like while doing it.

Like I have said many times in discussions on this topic.....if as a Louisville fan y'all are OK with your coach being a immoral jerk that is more a reflection on you than any of us. I'm just glad Clemson is up front and above board in our dealings with recruits.

Hey Kap, you know if Coach Knotts has ever kicked a HIGHSCHOOL kid off his team?
Seems like a tough guy:

http://www.thestate.com/2014/12/04/38539...build.html


Has he ever asked a kid to leave his program to your knowledge?


I agree with you, Dabo is a great coach and should never be fired and should never leave Clemson. Match made in heaven.

I'm sure he has kicked kids off his team for not meeting the standards set. Just like every other coach. Ask Mike Bellamy, Chad Kelly, and Ky Priester what happens at Clemson if you fail to meet your obligations.

And Knotts is a taskmaster. He demands a lot from his kids, assistant coaches and himself. It shows on the field as he has either won or played for three straight championships in SC's strongest high school division.

I guess what I'm saying is I fail to see how either compares to a college coach with a well known lack of morals "discovering" weeks, and in one case almost two months, after some underclassmen declare for the draft that he has a deficiency on his roster and cuts a kid loose. Oh yeah, and he does it on the eve of Signing Day to a kid who shut down recruiting and stayed loyal for over half a year and the only other college campus he set foot on was Wofford while he was at the Shrine Bowl. I guess I can't twist things around to where my thinking is so convoluted that the situations are exactly the same.

And you know Kap, this is what kills me the most and I appreciate you keeping this about the coaches and not the kid. He is a stud both on and off the field. I can't help but think that part of the bitterness in this situation is that we spoiled a coach and a players chance to poke the local Universities in the eye.
Instead, it is a big, "We told you so" moment. I hate that worse than anything.

I don't know about that. We never intended to recruit a RB in this class because we had brought in two each year the two years prior. If anything last season we had too many as we were carrying seven RB on scholarship. We lost one to graduation and didn't replace him. We are losing one next year and the year after and are replacing them with one each year unless there is unforeseen attrition along the way.

There are some personal issue with this kid, that require his character to hit some bench marks of character improvement.

http://vaughtsviews.com/having-petrino-a...s-as-well/

What does a former UK basketball coach think of Patrino? He repeated these same words when Strong left for Texas. Joe B Hall is one of the most respected men in Kentucky.

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(02-07-2015 05:24 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  There are some personal issue with this kid, that require his character to hit some bench marks of character improvement.

Yeah OK.

The kid at one time had an offer from Navy. Highly doubt that the Naval Academy is offering someone with character issues.
http://www.thestate.com/2015/02/02/39655...p-for.html

Quote:Knotts confirmed Colburn has an offer from Navy that is still on the table along with several other FCS offers.

And knowing Wake Forest if there were character issues they wouldn't have offered at all.


Unless you mean he wasn't Louisville character, which recent history shows if you are a multiple time drug offender or a woman beater then you are in like Flynn. Then I guess he does have character issues.

(02-07-2015 02:57 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-07-2015 05:24 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  There are some personal issue with this kid, that require his character to hit some bench marks of character improvement.

Yeah OK.

The kid at one time had an offer from Navy. Highly doubt that the Naval Academy is offering someone with character issues.
http://www.thestate.com/2015/02/02/39655...p-for.html

Quote:Knotts confirmed Colburn has an offer from Navy that is still on the table along with several other FCS offers.

And knowing Wake Forest if there were character issues they wouldn't have offered at all.


Unless you mean he wasn't Louisville character, which recent history shows if you are a multiple time drug offender or a woman beater then you are in like Flynn. Then I guess he does have character issues.

I agree with you Kap on the first part, none of the blame here is on Colburn. He is a good kid & we wish him well. Your last paragraph went a bit to far though.

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