If Seattle is dumb enough to part ways with Carroll after this then they deserve a decade of mediocrity.

(02-02-2015 01:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  If you are going to call a pass in that situation it should have been either a fade to your 6'5" WR where either he catches the ball or it's incomplete out of bounds or a roll out pass to the back of the endzone to your 6'5" TE where he either catches it or it's incomplete out of bounds, and if it's covered Wilson can either run it in if the opportunity is there or throw it out the back of the endzone. The slant that was called was not only dangerous if someone jumped the route like they did, but because of all the traffic around it you run the risk of a tip drill interception.

Yea that's maybe a throw you do on 4th down when you're desperate, not 2nd down when you have Lynch and Russell in the backfield and a timeout left.

(02-02-2015 01:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  1 thing to remember about Seattle now- after the USC/Texas game, USC was never the same.

Because they stopped cheating, at least on a massive scale. Between the two participants yesterday, the only one that consistently cheats as best as we can tell is New England.

(02-02-2015 01:10 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 11:15 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 09:54 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Uh, after watching that replay more, I think it's an even more of a hell of play than I thought after watching it last night. He broke perfectly on that ball on a bang-bang play in the most high pressure situation imaginable. This wasn't some corner fade route with the ball hanging up in the air for several seconds in a meaningless regular season game. What else did the kid need to do? He deserves all of the kudos in the world and then some. Bill Belichick and Tom Brady shouldn't let Butler pay for anything (I'm talking about drinks, cars, houses, etc.) again - their historic football immortality is cemented because of that single play.

Frank, here's a better look. The ball was right in Butler's hands. It was a very good play, but not extraordinary. Had he missed it, the conversation would be that "He should have caught that because it was a very catchable ball."

Seeing that replay, it actually looks to me as if the receiver had alligator arms. If he'd extended his arms we might be having a very different conversation.

It was only too him because he ran through the receiver to get the ball. The receiver wasn't anticipating him. The defender took it. Very good play. It could easily have been a TD.

(02-02-2015 04:00 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 01:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  If you are going to call a pass in that situation it should have been either a fade to your 6'5" WR where either he catches the ball or it's incomplete out of bounds or a roll out pass to the back of the endzone to your 6'5" TE where he either catches it or it's incomplete out of bounds, and if it's covered Wilson can either run it in if the opportunity is there or throw it out the back of the endzone. The slant that was called was not only dangerous if someone jumped the route like they did, but because of all the traffic around it you run the risk of a tip drill interception.

Yea that's maybe a throw you do on 4th down when you're desperate, not 2nd down when you have Lynch and Russell in the backfield and a timeout left.

No doubt.

When I saw the play live the first thing that popped in my head was one of my son's former youth coaches. At least he would have had the excuse he was trying to make his son the superstar.

(02-02-2015 04:51 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 01:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  1 thing to remember about Seattle now- after the USC/Texas game, USC was never the same.

Because they stopped cheating, at least on a massive scale. Between the two participants yesterday, the only one that consistently cheats as best as we can tell is New England.

there's other examples. Tennessee vs the Rams- Tennessee never recovered from that loss. Cubs/Marlins 2003(Bartman game)- Cubs never recovered....

Growing up, i remember a really questionable play call that was discussed for years...

1980 AFC playoffs, the wildcard Raiders of Jim Plunkett were winning 14-12 at Cleveland with maybe 30 seconds left. The Browns ("Cardiac Kids" that year) were on the Oakland 10 or so. Brian Sipe, great quarterback in Cleveland, threw a pick in the end zone.

The game was played in an ice storm, so a FG wasn't automatic. Plus the Browns longtime kicker, Don Cockroft, i think had missed at least 1 PAT earlier in the game. He was one of the last "straight-away" kickers in the NFL, along with Mark Moseley, Rick Danmeier and Tom Dempsey. But it was really a terrible play call.

Anyway, it was i think the first of those heartbreaking playoff losses in the 80's for Cleveland. Poor coach Sam Rutigliano (great guy) got roasted for that call.

Side note:
After the 79 season, Oakland and Houston swapped quarterbacks, Dan Pastorini for Ken Stabler. Pastorini got hurt after a few games, and Plunkett replaced him and led the Raiders to SB win (winning the Sipe game as part of their title run)..

(02-02-2015 05:30 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 04:51 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 01:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  1 thing to remember about Seattle now- after the USC/Texas game, USC was never the same.

Because they stopped cheating, at least on a massive scale. Between the two participants yesterday, the only one that consistently cheats as best as we can tell is New England.

there's other examples. Tennessee vs the Rams- Tennessee never recovered from that loss. Cubs/Marlins 2003(Bartman game)- Cubs never recovered....

Tennessee made the playoffs 4 of the next 5 years IIRC. Anyways, the Seahawks may not get back to this level again for a while but it will have nothing to do with the loss Sunday and just the breaks, bounces, and personnel changes that they and other teams go through.

(02-03-2015 06:31 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 05:30 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 04:51 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 01:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  1 thing to remember about Seattle now- after the USC/Texas game, USC was never the same.

Because they stopped cheating, at least on a massive scale. Between the two participants yesterday, the only one that consistently cheats as best as we can tell is New England.

there's other examples. Tennessee vs the Rams- Tennessee never recovered from that loss. Cubs/Marlins 2003(Bartman game)- Cubs never recovered....

Tennessee made the playoffs 4 of the next 5 years IIRC. Anyways, the Seahawks may not get back to this level again for a while but it will have nothing to do with the loss Sunday and just the breaks, bounces, and personnel changes that they and other teams go through.

And won only 2 playoff games after that. Tennessee wasn't ever the same after that. Just like the Rams the following year weren't the same after losing to the Patriots.

(02-02-2015 05:30 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 04:51 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 01:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  1 thing to remember about Seattle now- after the USC/Texas game, USC was never the same.

Because they stopped cheating, at least on a massive scale. Between the two participants yesterday, the only one that consistently cheats as best as we can tell is New England.

there's other examples. Tennessee vs the Rams- Tennessee never recovered from that loss. Cubs/Marlins 2003(Bartman game)- Cubs never recovered....

I'm pretty sure they were the 1 seed in the AFC that next season and went to the 2002 AFC Championship as well. They had a nice little 5 year window but weren't able to win a title...I hardly think they never recovered.

(02-03-2015 09:58 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 05:30 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 04:51 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 01:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  1 thing to remember about Seattle now- after the USC/Texas game, USC was never the same.

Because they stopped cheating, at least on a massive scale. Between the two participants yesterday, the only one that consistently cheats as best as we can tell is New England.

there's other examples. Tennessee vs the Rams- Tennessee never recovered from that loss. Cubs/Marlins 2003(Bartman game)- Cubs never recovered....

I'm pretty sure they were the 1 seed in the AFC that next season and went to the 2002 AFC Championship as well. They had a nice little 5 year window but weren't able to win a title...I hardly think they never recovered.

the next season they lost 1st playoff game as the 1 seed.

I think you give Jeff Fisher truth serum, he would say the exact same thing.

There is one question I have had that I haven't seen addressed. Some have speculated whether the Seahawks could have forced a safety and gotten the ball back with a chance to kick a field goal to win. But what my question is, where would the ball have been spotted if the guy hadn't run the interception out of the end zone? It was a bang-bang play, and it wasn't clear to me that he had control in the field of play. Might he have had a touchback if he'd fallen down in the end zone?

(02-03-2015 10:45 AM)ken d Wrote:  There is one question I have had that I haven't seen addressed. Some have speculated whether the Seahawks could have forced a safety and gotten the ball back with a chance to kick a field goal to win. But what my question is, where would the ball have been spotted if the guy hadn't run the interception out of the end zone? It was a bang-bang play, and it wasn't clear to me that he had control in the field of play. Might he have had a touchback if he'd fallen down in the end zone?

Yes - it would have been a touchback - ideally, you would have wanted him to do that - but as you said - it was a bang bang play and he did the right thing making sure he demonstrated control of the ball by taking a step.

Now... with their talent on D - had they not encroached that may have been a safety - Brady was in the endzone and couldn't just take a knee - he had to do a sneak or somehow get the ball out.

The Patriots better give that kid a long-term contract.

(02-03-2015 10:17 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-03-2015 09:58 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 05:30 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 04:51 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 01:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  1 thing to remember about Seattle now- after the USC/Texas game, USC was never the same.

Because they stopped cheating, at least on a massive scale. Between the two participants yesterday, the only one that consistently cheats as best as we can tell is New England.

there's other examples. Tennessee vs the Rams- Tennessee never recovered from that loss. Cubs/Marlins 2003(Bartman game)- Cubs never recovered....

I'm pretty sure they were the 1 seed in the AFC that next season and went to the 2002 AFC Championship as well. They had a nice little 5 year window but weren't able to win a title...I hardly think they never recovered.

the next season they lost 1st playoff game as the 1 seed.

I think you give Jeff Fisher truth serum, he would say the exact same thing.

Have the Steelers "never recovered" since their heartbreaking loss in the 2010 Super Bowl?

It's hard to be an elite team for more than a decade at a time especially in a sport where all rounds of the playoffs are single elimination.

Why do you throw to your 4/5th option receiver? Either that was a massive choke job by the entire Seahawk sideline and QB or they were hoping to not make Marshawn Lynch the SB hero.

Man, the NFL has become a fun-house of mirrors over the past year. Anyone who would take that game seriously enough to bet on needs to have their head examined.

I could say UH basketball has never been the same since coming up short in three straight Final Fours, especially the NC State loss but it had more to do with the loss of the great players, coach and the downgrade in conference competition before and after the SWC's demise (though in reality, original C-USA was an upgrade from the late SWC but I digress).

(02-02-2015 01:03 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 11:36 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  In the last 10 months, two of my teams (UConn and the Patriots) have won championships and raised a middle finger to (respectively) the NCAA and the NFL.

Sweet.

Will 2015 be the year of the Cubbies?

Well Back to the Future 2 says...

The Patriots dominated the first, second, and fourth quarters. The Seahawks only dominated the third. For the vast majority of that game, the Patriots were the better team.

The Patriot win was not a fluke.

(02-03-2015 12:44 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  Man, the NFL has become a fun-house of mirrors over the past year. Anyone who would take that game seriously enough to bet on needs to have their head examined.

They're enticed by the lines, though. Like moths to the flame.

Games or calls like that produce the knee-jerk "fix" articles...sometimes, you really do have to wonder. I don't think this one was nearly as dumb as one back in...2008, the Chiefs-Chargers week ten game where Edwards could have tied the game with a PAT, but chose (and failed to covert) a two-point conversion. There was absolutely ZERO logic to that one. At least with this Super Bowl, one could look at the clock, look at the kind of risk associated with the play, and maybe justify it, even if the statistics beg to differ.

(02-04-2015 07:37 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The Patriots dominated the first, second, and fourth quarters. The Seahawks only dominated the third. For the vast majority of that game, the Patriots were the better team.

The Patriot win was not a fluke.

It was a fluke. The Seahawks had more yards and less turnovers and still lost, how does that happen? The dumbest play call in history helps. All they have to do is give Lynch the ball and game over, Pats lose again.

Also, please don't ever tell me what a great comeback the 4th quarter was. Brady doesn't do anything if Seattle's defense wasn't grievously wounded by critical injuries, 3 that they came into the game with that limited three of their best defenders, and then two that happened in the game.

The last injury, to the DE, was the most critical, as it killed Seattle's pass rush. In his old age, Brady is deadly when he has time, but godawful when he doesn't. The whole fourth quarter, he dinked and dunked against a badly wounded D with no pass rush. Great comeback my ass, LOL.