Kids say the darnedest things

(02-01-2015 09:26 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  "That's not true. Even if you eliminate Calipari's tenure, we have seven S16 appearances from '73 to '95."

Exactly. Historically ... excluding Calipari even ... we've made a S16 every 3-4 years. On average. Pastner is twice that now. And counting. And not even sniffing a S16.

Well, that's not exactly true. Before Cal, only our S16's from 1973, 1992 and 1995 counted. The NCAA vacated the others. Our first appearance in the NCAA was 1955, or 45 years before Cal, so, with 3 S16's, we had a record of going every 15 years (45/3=15). Don't get me wrong, though. I'd probably be happy to see us go even if it meant getting it vacated later. I just don't think that's the way the school wants to operate these days.

It would be difficult to compare the losses since in the Iba era there was no shot clock. The pace the game was played led to games being more 45-40. Look at Iba's record and you don't see double digit wins or losses due to that fact.

Thank you for those data points worth considering ...

(02-01-2015 10:30 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  Thank you for those data points worth considering ...

Guys like Triple A and I saw those games in person. It was truly brutal. It was so quiet in the Coliseum that you could hear Iba cuss, lol. It was dismal. I can recall games that were 42-39 with Dave Loos as high scorer with 9, lol. I ba had one decent year due to Mike Butler being a senior. Other than that, he presided over boring, lousy hoops. His next to last year, there was no one on that team that would even make being a walk on, I believe. It is so bad that we lost to Union University.

(02-01-2015 10:52 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 10:30 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  Thank you for those data points worth considering ...

Guys like Triple A and I saw those games in person. It was truly brutal. It was so quiet in the Coliseum that you could hear Iba cuss, lol. It was dismal. I can recall games that were 42-39 with Dave Loos as high scorer with 9, lol. I ba had one decent year due to Mike Butler being a senior. Other than that, he presided over boring, lousy hoops. His next to last year, there was no one on that team that would even make being a walk on, I believe. It is so bad that we lost to Union University.

CBU

(02-01-2015 10:52 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 10:30 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  Thank you for those data points worth considering ...

Guys like Triple A and I saw those games in person. It was truly brutal. It was so quiet in the Coliseum that you could hear Iba cuss, lol. It was dismal. I can recall games that were 42-39 with Dave Loos as high scorer with 9, lol. I ba had one decent year due to Mike Butler being a senior. Other than that, he presided over boring, lousy hoops. His next to last year, there was no one on that team that would even make being a walk on, I believe. It is so bad that we lost to Union University.

Is that like losing to CBU?

(02-01-2015 02:38 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Cal beat a top ten team on the road in 2005




Stammers in 3....2......1.....

Poor kid is obsessed.

LMAO.

(02-01-2015 05:37 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 04:14 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Dumbest thread of the year?

Your post adds so much doe

So funny coming from you.

LMAO.

(02-01-2015 09:26 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  "That's not true. Even if you eliminate Calipari's tenure, we have seven S16 appearances from '73 to '95."

Exactly. Historically ... excluding Calipari even ... we've made a S16 every 3-4 years. On average. Pastner is twice that now. And counting. And not even sniffing a S16.

8 years between Bartow finals and next sweet 16. Then Kirks 4 straight and then 7 years before next sweet 16 when finch had 2 in 4 years. Then 11 years before Cal's first sweet 16. After his 4th straight it has been only 5 years. We have had TWO coaches who had four year runs of sweet 16 and then LONG layoffs in between.

Will you quit pulling stats out of your ass and posting them.

(02-01-2015 10:52 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 10:30 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  Thank you for those data points worth considering ...

Guys like Triple A and I saw those games in person. It was truly brutal. It was so quiet in the Coliseum that you could hear Iba cuss, lol. It was dismal. I can recall games that were 42-39 with Dave Loos as high scorer with 9, lol. I ba had one decent year due to Mike Butler being a senior. Other than that, he presided over boring, lousy hoops. His next to last year, there was no one on that team that would even make being a walk on, I believe. It is so bad that we lost to Union University.

That's good context ... I can appreciate that. Thanks.

(02-01-2015 11:17 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 09:26 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  "That's not true. Even if you eliminate Calipari's tenure, we have seven S16 appearances from '73 to '95."

Exactly. Historically ... excluding Calipari even ... we've made a S16 every 3-4 years. On average. Pastner is twice that now. And counting. And not even sniffing a S16.

8 years between Bartow finals and next sweet 16. Then Kirks 4 straight and then 7 years before next sweet 16 when finch had 2 in 4 years. Then 11 years before Cal's first sweet 16. After his 4th straight it has been only 5 years. We have had TWO coaches who had four year runs of sweet 16 and then LONG layoffs in between.

Will you quit pulling stats out of your ass and posting them.

They came from the press guide, not my ___. And you might want to learn what 'average' means. But I see your point. Nonetheless ...

"This is Pastner's SIXTH year and if he does not pull a rabbit out of his hat he will be the first Tiger coach in 45 years to not have a run in the NCAA tournament by his SIXTH year AND KEEP HIS JOB."

(02-01-2015 11:39 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 11:17 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 09:26 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  "That's not true. Even if you eliminate Calipari's tenure, we have seven S16 appearances from '73 to '95."

Exactly. Historically ... excluding Calipari even ... we've made a S16 every 3-4 years. On average. Pastner is twice that now. And counting. And not even sniffing a S16.

8 years between Bartow finals and next sweet 16. Then Kirks 4 straight and then 7 years before next sweet 16 when finch had 2 in 4 years. Then 11 years before Cal's first sweet 16. After his 4th straight it has been only 5 years. We have had TWO coaches who had four year runs of sweet 16 and then LONG layoffs in between.

Will you quit pulling stats out of your ass and posting them.

They came from the press guide, not my ___. And you might want to learn what 'average' means. But I see your point. Nonetheless ...

"This is Pastner's SIXTH year and if he does not pull a rabbit out of his hat he will be the first Tiger coach in 45 years to not have a run in the NCAA tournament by his SIXTH year AND KEEP HIS JOB."

Anyone can't twist stats to try and make them say something they do not actually say. The way you intentionally left out that 8 of our 11 sweet 16 runs came from two coaches who made it four straight years each. You try to make it sound as if we are perennial sweet 16 team that shows up every 3-4 years. When in fact we are not. We make a good run every 8-10 years and have a string of sweet 16s and then fall back into the woodwork. You should go to Washington DC the way you try and twist the facts around to make your case.

You are slipping. You should have added that every Bartow team which made it to the NCAA went to the sweet 16. Of course since only 16 teams were invited then it isn't hard to advance that far. Or 82 and 83 where ONE WIN got you to the sweet 16. You really love to leave out the details because you know as they say the devil is in the details.

(02-01-2015 11:46 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 11:39 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 11:17 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 09:26 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  "That's not true. Even if you eliminate Calipari's tenure, we have seven S16 appearances from '73 to '95."

Exactly. Historically ... excluding Calipari even ... we've made a S16 every 3-4 years. On average. Pastner is twice that now. And counting. And not even sniffing a S16.

8 years between Bartow finals and next sweet 16. Then Kirks 4 straight and then 7 years before next sweet 16 when finch had 2 in 4 years. Then 11 years before Cal's first sweet 16. After his 4th straight it has been only 5 years. We have had TWO coaches who had four year runs of sweet 16 and then LONG layoffs in between.

Will you quit pulling stats out of your ass and posting them.

They came from the press guide, not my ___. And you might want to learn what 'average' means. But I see your point. Nonetheless ...

"This is Pastner's SIXTH year and if he does not pull a rabbit out of his hat he will be the first Tiger coach in 45 years to not have a run in the NCAA tournament by his SIXTH year AND KEEP HIS JOB."

Anyone can't twist stats to try and make them say something they do not actually say. The way you intentionally left out that 8 of our 11 sweet 16 runs came from two coaches who made it four straight years each. You try to make it sound as if we are perennial sweet 16 team that shows up every 3-4 years. When in fact we are not. We make a good run every 8-10 years and have a string of sweet 16s and then fall back into the woodwork. You should go to Washington DC the way you try and twist the facts around to make your case.

You are slipping. You should have added that every Bartow team which made it to the NCAA went to the sweet 16. Of course since only 16 teams were invited then it isn't hard to advance that far. Or 82 and 83 where ONE WIN got you to the sweet 16. You really love to leave out the details because you know as they say the devil is in the details.

Those are great, valid points.

The financial commitment to basketball at the U of Memphis in 2015 is far different than it was in 1970... 1980... 1990 and 2000. We let Bartow go to Illinois and skimped on Kirk, Finch and Price; and only decided to pay top money for a basketball coach under Calipari. 30 years ago, our facilities could not compete with the top programs in the country. 30 years ago we didn't pay our coach top 10 money. 30 years ago, we were not the program we are now. Memphis is a top 25 job. It's time for the coach to start producing top 25 level teams. We haven't had one here since he's been our coach.

(02-01-2015 03:11 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  The dude with the wide sig ruins every thread

I always have that same thought.

The Josh Pastner call in show is tonight at Lynchburg Legends either show up in person or call in and voice your concerns! Quit hiding behind your keyboard. This crap is getting old! Certainly y'all have better things to do!

(02-01-2015 03:55 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 02:56 PM)fsquid Wrote:  jesus, people forget history.

Apparently, that's what our AD is doing, and that's why we're repeating it. But, if you want to talk about something more recent, we're down to nine scholarship players. They are:

Austin, Kedren top 20
Nick King, Shaq top 50
Markel, Woodson, Pookie top 100
Burrell, Godfrey --

The team that drubbed us last night has a lot more players:

Wiltjer top 10
Bell, Perkins top 100
Everyone Else --

They're competitive. Us, not so much.

Kedren was #80 nationally, nowhere near a 5* player.

(02-02-2015 02:33 AM)ricole14 Wrote:  The Josh Pastner call in show is tonight at Lynchburg Legends either show up in person or call in and voice your concerns! Quit hiding behind your keyboard. This crap is getting old! Certainly y'all have better things to do!

Getting thumped on a weekly basis is indeed getting old.

(02-01-2015 03:01 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 02:56 PM)fsquid Wrote:  jesus, people forget history.

Gotta go back a long time to find it. Once you consider schedule strength. Maybe Moe Iba?

Always and forever.