(02-01-2015 12:44 AM)Mimi Wrote:  I disagree...but .. and this is a reflection of how low this site has been allowed to fall....appreciate even those levels of disagreement...which offer no real information, but at least avoid the attack mode.

Between Kedron, Pookie and Crawford, with another dozen or so games this year, an off season, a year of age and more confidence would suspect significantly higher level of play next year. That will help Austin. Shaq needs to break this Junior slump...get those, get Lawson, and yes, can compete nationally that soon.

Dude,stop.

(02-01-2015 12:44 AM)Mimi Wrote:  I disagree...but .. and this is a reflection of how low this site has been allowed to fall....appreciate even those levels of disagreement...which offer no real information, but at least avoid the attack mode.

Between Kedron, Pookie and Crawford, with another dozen or so games this year, an off season, a year of age and more confidence would suspect significantly higher level of play next year. That will help Austin. Shaq needs to break this Junior slump...get those, get Lawson, and yes, can compete nationally that soon.

You almost had me hyped then I remembered Josh Pastner is our coach.

(02-01-2015 12:50 AM)Crazier Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 12:44 AM)Mimi Wrote:  I disagree...but .. and this is a reflection of how low this site has been allowed to fall....appreciate even those levels of disagreement...which offer no real information, but at least avoid the attack mode.

Between Kedron, Pookie and Crawford, with another dozen or so games this year, an off season, a year of age and more confidence would suspect significantly higher level of play next year. That will help Austin. Shaq needs to break this Junior slump...get those, get Lawson, and yes, can compete nationally that soon.

You almost had me hyped then I remembered Josh Pastner is our coach.

Frontline won't be any taller or bigger.

Same guards.

Little chance to land anyone else of impact.

Incrementally better is about it.

(02-01-2015 12:20 AM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  Haha

UK would be up by 20 at half on these guys. Zags have had a favorable schedule. KY would kill Gonzaga.

I assume u were being sarcastic

IF they meet in the tourney, I would gladly take that bet!!!!

(02-01-2015 12:34 AM)Mimi Wrote:  Same points being made all season...we get it. Down year this year...did. It magically change...but this was not embarrassing and I saw a team that refused to whine and quit like a few too many of our..,er...fans have done,

Instead, they play hard...and will be part of a core that endured this oh so horrible 13-8 and still going season that ends up a national contender next year.

Oh for goodness sake, get a clue and stop lying to yourself. Are you incapable of watching a game with more than a surface level understanding of the game? It is clear the coaching is the problem and always has been. You likely never played at even a high school level, and if you did you weren't coached by someone that knows the game. It is so blatantly obvious that Pastner is overmatched and has no clue either how to motivate players or coach the game of basketball. Such an idiotic post.

The narrative has obviously been sold.

Even the idea that a team with a ton more cumulative experience including adding a McDs player will get much better is greeted with this.

Some reasoned if not thin disagreements..,fair enough, lots of instant what are you smoking responses...how proud.

We shall see. Yes, it know...everyone loves the Tigers and hopes for that...but...

Looking forward to Brief homestand, especially Temple Saturday.

And per some, I am baiting...er....someone by indicating I am looking forward to the home games.

(01-31-2015 11:43 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  No and Yes.

correct.

(02-01-2015 01:02 AM)Mimi Wrote:  The narrative has obviously been sold.

Even the idea that a team with a ton more cumulative experience including adding a McDs player will get much better is greeted with this.

Some reasoned if not thin disagreements..,fair enough, lots of instant what are you smoking responses...how proud.

We shall see. Yes, it know...everyone loves the Tigers and hopes for that...but...

Looking forward to Brief homestand, especially Temple Saturday.

And per some, I am baiting...er....someone by indicating I am looking forward to the home games.

We'll be better but dude,com'n.

(02-01-2015 01:01 AM)KidMemphis Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 12:34 AM)Mimi Wrote:  Same points being made all season...we get it. Down year this year...did. It magically change...but this was not embarrassing and I saw a team that refused to whine and quit like a few too many of our..,er...fans have done,

Instead, they play hard...and will be part of a core that endured this oh so horrible 13-8 and still going season that ends up a national contender next year.

Oh for goodness sake, get a clue and stop lying to yourself. Are you incapable of watching a game with more than a surface level understanding of the game? It is clear the coaching is the problem and always has been. You likely never played at even a high school level, and if you did you weren't coached by someone that knows the game. It is so blatantly obvious that Pastner is overmatched and has no clue either how to motivate players or coach the game of basketball. Such an idiotic post.

Well, hell, that sums it up.

(02-01-2015 12:30 AM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  

(01-31-2015 11:38 PM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  We have better talent and we look like a joke.

They have much better basketball TEAM skills. We're an AAU team with an AAU coach.

FIFY.

Believe you are right on both points...as somehow Few has a great eye on finding talent that can be molded to play like a TEAM...where Pastner seems to just go after the highest ranked individual player...many that never had to play much "team ball" in AAU or HS.

Coach Mark Few can attract players from all over the US/World to go to school/play in the middle of no where (Spokane, WA).

Pastner has a much better city/location to attract anyone from the US (or the world) to go to school/play in...and maybe he should spend more time recruiting OUTSIDE Memphis...and look for players, maybe not ranked as high in the recruiting services, but those that play well in TEAM basketball, just like Few seems to be able to do...year after year after year after year.

(02-01-2015 07:19 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 12:30 AM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  

(01-31-2015 11:38 PM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  We have better talent and we look like a joke.

They have much better basketball TEAM skills. We're an AAU team with an AAU coach.

FIFY.

Believe you are right on both points...as somehow Few has a great eye on finding talent that can be molded to play like a TEAM...where Pastner seems to just go after the highest ranked individual player...many that never had to play much "team ball" in AAU or HS.

Coach Mark Few can attract players from all over the US/World to go to school/play in the middle of no where (Spokane, WA).

Pastner has a much better city/location to attract anyone from the US (or the world) to go to school/play in...and maybe he should spend more time recruiting OUTSIDE Memphis...and look for players, maybe not ranked as high in the recruiting services, but those that play well in TEAM basketball, just like Few seems to be able to do...year after year after year after year.

And yet Gonzaga has been to 2 Sweet 16's in the last 13 years, 1 in the last 8 years, and 0 in the last 5 years.

(02-01-2015 08:21 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 07:19 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 12:30 AM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  

(01-31-2015 11:38 PM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  We have better talent and we look like a joke.

They have much better basketball TEAM skills. We're an AAU team with an AAU coach.

FIFY.

Believe you are right on both points...as somehow Few has a great eye on finding talent that can be molded to play like a TEAM...where Pastner seems to just go after the highest ranked individual player...many that never had to play much "team ball" in AAU or HS.

Coach Mark Few can attract players from all over the US/World to go to school/play in the middle of no where (Spokane, WA).

Pastner has a much better city/location to attract anyone from the US (or the world) to go to school/play in...and maybe he should spend more time recruiting OUTSIDE Memphis...and look for players, maybe not ranked as high in the recruiting services, but those that play well in TEAM basketball, just like Few seems to be able to do...year after year after year after year.

And yet Gonzaga has been to 2 Sweet 16's in the last 13 years, 1 in the last 8 years, and 0 in the last 5 years.

Gonzaga has been to the NCAA tourn 16 straight seasons...not bad for some tiny school (less than 5,000 undergrads) playing in the middle of no where (Eastern Washington), playing in a tiny gym (6,000 seats), while playing in a usually joke hoop conf where no one else can name more than 2 or 3 teams.

I don't know if I can agree with more talent. Maybe they do, but simply not allowing offensive rebounds we look like a grade school team. The IQ of our players in troubling.

Interesting how so many different opinions when we all watched the same game.

I saw a few elements that hurt us:

1. Free throw imbalance caused by an undersized squad trying to defend. Our defense at times was formidable but our guys were tiny in comparison which often resulted in fouls trying to stop the other his opponent. Giving up 65 lbs and 4-5" on one position is tough to overcome.
2. Our shots were just not falling and theirs was. How many layups of ours did not go down? I lost count. And the mindless 3pt shooting by Gonzaga in the 2nd half. This is not the norm.
3. Experience level at the guard position - freshmen and sophomores just don't have the court savy of a senior. Let's accept it. True guards are rarely born but develop thru experience and this game gave our guys a lot of experience.

So while folks want to bash this or that, I look at this game as nothing more than one of those perfect storms that our guys faced. And for those who wish to be intellectually honest, we knew it before we started. Why bash what we already expected?

But our guys did not give up. Two solid runs in the 2nd half and they essentially played even in the 2nd half after falling so far behind in the first. Equalize the free throws and some of our layups falling in, it would have been a totally different game. I don't see the sky falling in but rather a growing squad that is just not ready for this type of game. But they will be. I can see they are trying and not giving up.

BS

This team is almost through the season and have played many big games.

(02-01-2015 08:27 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 08:21 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 07:19 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 12:30 AM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  

(01-31-2015 11:38 PM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  We have better talent and we look like a joke.

They have much better basketball TEAM skills. We're an AAU team with an AAU coach.

FIFY.

Believe you are right on both points...as somehow Few has a great eye on finding talent that can be molded to play like a TEAM...where Pastner seems to just go after the highest ranked individual player...many that never had to play much "team ball" in AAU or HS.

Coach Mark Few can attract players from all over the US/World to go to school/play in the middle of no where (Spokane, WA).

Pastner has a much better city/location to attract anyone from the US (or the world) to go to school/play in...and maybe he should spend more time recruiting OUTSIDE Memphis...and look for players, maybe not ranked as high in the recruiting services, but those that play well in TEAM basketball, just like Few seems to be able to do...year after year after year after year.

And yet Gonzaga has been to 2 Sweet 16's in the last 13 years, 1 in the last 8 years, and 0 in the last 5 years.

Gonzaga has been to the NCAA tourn 16 straight seasons...not bad for some tiny school (less than 5,000 undergrads) playing in the middle of no where (Eastern Washington), playing in a tiny gym (6,000 seats), while playing in a usually joke hoop conf where no one else can name more than 2 or 3 teams.

Temple, DePaul, UCF all have "better cities to recruit to"... damn, next you are gonna say we have a world class airport. Correct me if I am wrong. But Pastner has been to the tourney 4 straight years and isn't he the only coach in the AAC that can say that?!!

(02-01-2015 09:54 AM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 08:27 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 08:21 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 07:19 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 12:30 AM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  They have much better basketball TEAM skills. We're an AAU team with an AAU coach.

FIFY.

Believe you are right on both points...as somehow Few has a great eye on finding talent that can be molded to play like a TEAM...where Pastner seems to just go after the highest ranked individual player...many that never had to play much "team ball" in AAU or HS.

Coach Mark Few can attract players from all over the US/World to go to school/play in the middle of no where (Spokane, WA).

Pastner has a much better city/location to attract anyone from the US (or the world) to go to school/play in...and maybe he should spend more time recruiting OUTSIDE Memphis...and look for players, maybe not ranked as high in the recruiting services, but those that play well in TEAM basketball, just like Few seems to be able to do...year after year after year after year.

And yet Gonzaga has been to 2 Sweet 16's in the last 13 years, 1 in the last 8 years, and 0 in the last 5 years.

Gonzaga has been to the NCAA tourn 16 straight seasons...not bad for some tiny school (less than 5,000 undergrads) playing in the middle of no where (Eastern Washington), playing in a tiny gym (6,000 seats), while playing in a usually joke hoop conf where no one else can name more than 2 or 3 teams.

Temple, DePaul, UCF all have "better cities to recruit to"... damn, next you are gonna say we have a world class airport.

For some, no doubt....but I see you just overlooked all the other points which Gonzaga seems to be able to overcome for 16 straight seasons.

And yes, everyone knows Memphis dominated CUSA, even with Pastner...but most know how Pastner did in most of his big non-conf games during those times as well.

(02-01-2015 01:02 AM)Mimi Wrote:  The narrative has obviously been sold.

Even the idea that a team with a ton more cumulative experience including adding a McDs player will get much better is greeted with this.

Some reasoned if not thin disagreements..,fair enough, lots of instant what are you smoking responses...how proud.

We shall see. Yes, it know...everyone loves the Tigers and hopes for that...but...

Looking forward to Brief homestand, especially Temple Saturday.

And per some, I am baiting...er....someone by indicating I am looking forward to the home games.

Not at all. I hope we all look forward to the balance of the season in hopes of a strong finish.

I see a 5-5 finish with the last 4 of SMU, Tulsa, @Cincy, and @UConn being brutal.

At this point I just hope we can steal a couple of games and play the spoiler.

We shall see.

(02-01-2015 09:54 AM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 08:27 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 08:21 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 07:19 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-01-2015 12:30 AM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  They have much better basketball TEAM skills. We're an AAU team with an AAU coach.

FIFY.

Believe you are right on both points...as somehow Few has a great eye on finding talent that can be molded to play like a TEAM...where Pastner seems to just go after the highest ranked individual player...many that never had to play much "team ball" in AAU or HS.

Coach Mark Few can attract players from all over the US/World to go to school/play in the middle of no where (Spokane, WA).

Pastner has a much better city/location to attract anyone from the US (or the world) to go to school/play in...and maybe he should spend more time recruiting OUTSIDE Memphis...and look for players, maybe not ranked as high in the recruiting services, but those that play well in TEAM basketball, just like Few seems to be able to do...year after year after year after year.

And yet Gonzaga has been to 2 Sweet 16's in the last 13 years, 1 in the last 8 years, and 0 in the last 5 years.

Gonzaga has been to the NCAA tourn 16 straight seasons...not bad for some tiny school (less than 5,000 undergrads) playing in the middle of no where (Eastern Washington), playing in a tiny gym (6,000 seats), while playing in a usually joke hoop conf where no one else can name more than 2 or 3 teams.

Temple, DePaul, UCF all have "better cities to recruit to"... damn, next you are gonna say we have a world class airport. Correct me if I am wrong. But Pastner has been to the tourney 4 straight years and isn't he the only coach in the AAC that can say that?!!

Yeah right…
You numbers only guys must not realize most of us actually watched those games.

Two first game losses and two second game absolute blowouts.

Less can be said about cal in his first five years... NOT a numbers only guy BST, but he is going to the tourney. I do think this is a step back season. I don't disagree with every point made, but I don't agree with a lot of them either. I have been a fan and season ticket holder for more than three decades, so I have seen a lot of the ups and downs. This is not nearly as bad as it has been, nowhere close!!

KnightLight: And yet all those great recruiting cities still can't go on a consistent basis. Why can't UCF field a great team?!! Clearly they have a lot of advantages....