(02-24-2015 10:15 PM)WaywardMemphian Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 09:11 PM)Mimi Wrote:  7-6

I thought Arkansas was suppose to be better than Memphis in the future. Memphis still out recruits you basketball. Step your game up

(02-11-2015 01:08 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  No, you implied ESPN was marketing y'all as that, and made it seem like it was THEIR idea!!! THAT is what I laughed at. I watched BOTH of your ESPN games against P5. They mentioned it a few times against Oregon and only once the second game.

Boise became Boise by winning Championships, conference championships, beating ranked P5 teams and having the highest winning percentage in college football over a period if time. NOT by winning a weak conference.

When did you last actually watch your ARSt team play in person?!

Of course Gus lied!! Duh!!!! That you couldn't see it was visceral, much like cal here at Memphis is what made me

There were posters here that tried to pin the Boise of the South on me.

Most people I have asked say it was the previous AD that came-up with the idea, and ESPN and others that used their SI Department as a resource referred to the 'Boise of the South'. I did not watch all their ESPN games but have been assured that it was mentioned in every one of their ESPN broadcast

I watched them play Memphis in Memphis a few years ago, and have no intentions of watching them again. Will catch a Memphis game again this year, because my family is from Memphis.

The 'Boise of the South' and 'Gus staying' were both from official sources, and appeared in the traditional media before I mentioned it here.

(02-24-2015 09:11 PM)Mimi Wrote:  7-6

Yes and to my surprise all the national sites have taken the time to looks at that record, and correctly concluded that only an extraordinary number of devastating injuries prevented that very, very young, talented team that beat Utah State from being a force down the stretch.

The national media types are also are picking up on the fact that they return almost everyone (basically all their skill players) from that young,talented team, get all those injured players back, had a very solid recruiting class, and for the 1st time in half a decade they have the same coaches.

Many are also coming to the conclusion that they are poised to be one of the very best G5 programs, year in and year out, going forward. I think there are real tangible reasons to think the media types are are right in coming to that conclusion.

I know I'd rather play ASU home-home over BGSU home-home.

I really don't care about UPigg...I prefer to not play them and keep them out of recruiting Memphis.

Both A-State and Memphis need to be very strategic in their OC schedule going forward, because strength of schedule matters, but so does winning a lot of games.

I like the schedule Memphis has this year, but not that enthused with A-State's. Don't think opening on the road at USC, then entertaining Missouri at home is a good setup. Need a softer opponent in between, and really only need one such game a year.

Based on what teams they have lined up, their AD does look like he is going to focus on scheduling one non-return game against a 'power school'(Auburn, USC), home-home against a lesser P5 (Iowa State), and home-home against a quality G5 (Utah State), and a lesser G5's (UNLV) to fill their OC schedule from now on.

Will no longer scheduling FCS after their game with UCA in 2016.

(02-25-2015 11:52 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 09:11 PM)Mimi Wrote:  7-6

Yes and to my surprise all the national sites have taken the time to looks at that record, and correctly concluded that only an extraordinary number of devastating injuries prevented that very, very young, talented team that beat Utah State from being a force down the stretch.

The national media types are also are picking up on the fact that they return almost everyone (basically all their skill players) from that young,talented team, get all those injured players back, had a very solid recruiting class, and for the 1st time in half a decade they have the same coaches.

Many are also coming to the conclusion that they are poised to be one of the very best G5 programs, year in and year out, going forward. I think there are real tangible reasons to think the media types are are right in coming to that conclusion.

I agreed with most everything until that last paragraph!!! Then you sound like the guy that spewed that crap without critical review.
I admire that Coach Fuentes says that he wants to stay to see what they've worked so hard to build keep growing, but anybody that promises something like that is LYING!!
And ESPN repeated that AR State wanted to become Boise, NOT that ESPN thought that... which is what we tried repeatedly to tell you, but you kept telling us that WE were wrong!!!
And it's not that you posted those points, it's that you REPEATEDLY posted them and told us that WE were STUPID for not believing them!!!

(02-26-2015 10:30 AM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 11:52 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 09:11 PM)Mimi Wrote:  7-6

Yes and to my surprise all the national sites have taken the time to looks at that record, and correctly concluded that only an extraordinary number of devastating injuries prevented that very, very young, talented team that beat Utah State from being a force down the stretch.

The national media types are also are picking up on the fact that they return almost everyone (basically all their skill players) from that young,talented team, get all those injured players back, had a very solid recruiting class, and for the 1st time in half a decade they have the same coaches.

Many are also coming to the conclusion that they are poised to be one of the very best G5 programs, year in and year out, going forward. I think there are real tangible reasons to think the media types are are right in coming to that conclusion.

I agreed with most everything until that last paragraph!!! Then you sound like the guy that spewed that crap without critical review.
I admire that Coach Fuentes says that he wants to stay to see what they've worked so hard to build keep growing, but anybody that promises something like that is LYING!!
And ESPN repeated that AR State wanted to become Boise, NOT that ESPN thought that... which is what we tried repeatedly to tell you, but you kept telling us that WE were wrong!!!
And it's not that you posted those points, it's that you REPEATEDLY posted them and told us that WE were STUPID for not believing them!!!

Actually i think you are taking some liberties with what I said, but not a problem.

The fact is some posters here were arguing that i had made it up, but I knew for a fact that not only ESPN, but every other media outlet (local or national) that used the ASU SI Department as a source referenced to it. They all bought into it, but I have no idea if they believed it. FYI, their AD, who I later learned came up with the idea himself, just happened to go to my church.

Their new AD has now informed their fan base ( notice I did not say I inform them, and he has been quoted in the media saying it, but I don't know if they believe it) that their goal is to make the play-off (actually said it was not a case of 'if' but 'when'), and Boise is a G5, so they have chosen not to be the Boise anything.

As far as A-State being among the very best G5 programs, I have no problem with those that disagree anymore than I did when I posted a few years ago here that I expected their program( which was decidedly unsuccessful at the time) to be successful going forward. I based this on the success they were having in recruiting relative to the other teams in their conference, and the other regional schools they recruited against, including Memphis.

They have much more going for them now than just recruiting, and IMO are taking the tangible steps necessary to take their program to an even higher level, starting next year. Just an opinion mind you, but based on tangible things, and I expect i will be more right than wrong, for tangible reasons.

For the record I see no reason whatsoever that Memphis could not become THE G5 school( without the blue turf) , and would be thrilled to see it happen.

The ONLY way Memphis, or ANY other G5 program, could make the playoff is a schedule like we could've had in 2017... Going undefeated with victories over UCLA, ole miss and ut...with all the e e having 10 win seasons and no other P5 going undefeated.

Top 3 Boise missed a FG on the road against a top 20 team and it dropped them out if the BcS.... Bama misses a FG at home and it doesn't seven keep them out of the playoffs.

(02-27-2015 07:42 AM)tigernole79 Wrote:  The ONLY way Memphis, or ANY other G5 program, could make the playoff is a schedule like we could've had in 2017... Going undefeated with victories over UCLA, ole miss and ut...with all the e e having 10 win seasons and no other P5 going undefeated.

Top 3 Boise missed a FG on the road against a top 20 team and it dropped them out if the BcS.... Bama misses a FG at home and it doesn't seven keep them out of the playoffs.

Think most G5s realize that a playoff spot is almost impossible, and they are competing for the G5 spot in one of the other bowl games(which is what the ASU AD was talking about, and what I was thinking about, not making the play-off, so my mistake).

I do not think there is very much of a chance of any G5 making the play-off, and if i again incorrectly type 'play-off' (think this is the 2nd time i have done this and had to correct myself) I'm only thinking about the non-contract bowl representative, in one of the other bowl games.

As far as the non-contract representative in that bowl game the committee will select "the highest ranked champion from a non-contract conference, as ranked by the committee".

Unlike the contract conferences only a conference champion can represent the 'non-contract conference'.

The committee must take into consideration # championships won .

So job # one is to be in a conference where your team be one of those 5 most years, then hope if your team is not the best G5, that the best G5 team stumped their toe along the way, and did not win their conference championship.

Once again, that is where your schedule is the only important thing. A two loss Boise and three loss Memphis would've made it in over a one loss Marshall team.

And I agree that EVERY AD should make it their goal. The reality of that goal is a different matter.

(02-27-2015 02:48 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  Once again, that is where your schedule is the only important thing. A two loss Boise and three loss Memphis would've made it in over a one loss Marshall team.

And I agree that EVERY AD should make it their goal. The reality of that goal is a different matter.

2nd try at this.......... maybe maybe not.

Obviously a 2-3 loss G5 is only looking at representing the G5's in one of the 'other' bowl games, but the Committee follows a different protocol for that selection than it does for the play-off teams.

They must take a Conference Champion, and "if no champion of a non-contract conference is among that group( 1-25 as ranked by the Committee) , then the committee will compare the five conference champions against each other. The highest ranked of those five teams will be the representative.", and the Committee will take into consideration the "Conference championships won".

IMO the the rules the Committee must follow are biased against the teams in the best G5 Conference, which probably will be the AAC most years.

Seems like Boise wrote this and why they did not join the AAC.

Unless you beat 3, more than likely 4, RANKED P5 teams go undefeated AND play in the best G5 conference that season, a PLAYOFF will not happen!!!

So, we are basically talking about the G5 spot in the Big Bowl. To do that, you will have to schedule decently and win your conference. Marshall only did half, which is why they would've been passed over, even if undefeated.

I see it the opposite way (shocking) that playing in the best conference hives you an advantage. If no one is ranked, it almost assures you are going to that bowl as the G5 rep.

The A-State coach discussed scheduling, winning and what he thinks they will have to do in their goal of being the G5 representative in the bowl game.

Hopes his team is ready to beat either USC or Missouri or both this fall, so he knows you have to do that to claim the G5 spot.

Still don't get the impression that he feels that even if they beat two potentially top 10 teams to start the season that a play-off spot is realistic, just the bowl game.

http://www.953theticket.com/?p=7985

(02-28-2015 09:21 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  The A-State coach discussed scheduling, winning and what he thinks they will have to do in their goal of being the G5 representative in the bowl game.

Hopes his team is ready to beat either USC or Missouri or both this fall, so he knows you have to do that to claim the G5 spot.

Still don't get the impression that he feels that even if they beat two potentially top 10 teams to start the season that a play-off spot is realistic, just the bowl game.

http://www.953theticket.com/?p=7985

what are you guys smoking in that leftover Indian peace pipe over there?

Hopefully the same thing as the tiger coaches, players, fans and the administration are smoking.

Know they are going to be good,and probably very good, but obviously beating either Southern Cal on the road or Missouri (who will probably the SEC East favorite)even at their place is a tough task for any team.

What I thought interesting was that the A-State coach seems to think even beating them would only mean a shot at the G5 spot in the bowl game. Pretty much agree, and think any G5 making the 4 team play-off is wishful thinking.

Lol the playoffs are made so nobody but Power 5 teams make it. A-State coach in lala land

(03-02-2015 11:04 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  Lol the playoffs are made so nobody but Power 5 teams make it. A-State coach in lala land

Think the A-State coach agrees with you, and only discusses landing the G5 spot in a bowl game not the play-off.

My impression is he and their AD think even if they were to beat SoCal, Missouri and go undefeated in the SBC they would not make the 4 team play-off.

Maybe an AAC team would, maybe not.

(02-27-2015 10:35 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  Unless you beat 3, more than likely 4, RANKED P5 teams go undefeated AND play in the best G5 conference that season, a PLAYOFF will not happen!!!

So, we are basically talking about the G5 spot in the Big Bowl. To do that, you will have to schedule decently and win your conference. Marshall only did half, which is why they would've been passed over, even if undefeated.

I see it the opposite way (shocking) that playing in the best conference hives you an advantage. If no one is ranked, it almost assures you are going to that bowl as the G5 rep.

If we went undefeated this year and UCLA won the PAC and Ole Miss won the SEC we would have made the playoff...

Lot of IFs there though.

I don't think so. A one loss YOU would still rank higher. We would probably end up 5 or 6. Don't forget, we didn't have a playoff game much like the Big 12. That would've counted against us as well.