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RE: Historical non-fiction reading list
(02-26-2015 11:12 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  If you've ever been in one of those "Hiroshima wasn't necessary" arguments, read "Retribution" by Max Hastings. You'll wish we had dropped the big one on Tokyo.
Dropping #1 (Hiroshima) was absolutely justified, IMHO. So much so that not using it would have been wrong.

Dropping #2 (Nagasaki) is kind of a gray area to me. It may have been necessary or may not have been. Ideally, I wish Truman had waited another day or two before doing that. The reactions of Japanese authority were, frankly, confused and inconsistent in the hours immediately following Hiroshima, so it's hard to say if "another round" was needed to force them to surrender.
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When it come to submarine warfare, I loved reading Blind Man's Bluff: The Untold Story of American Submarine Espionage.

I also enjoyed Six Frigates: The Epic History of the Founding of the U.S. Navy
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(02-26-2015 03:59 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(02-26-2015 11:12 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  If you've ever been in one of those "Hiroshima wasn't necessary" arguments, read "Retribution" by Max Hastings. You'll wish we had dropped the big one on Tokyo.
Dropping #1 (Hiroshima) was absolutely justified, IMHO. So much so that not using it would have been wrong.

Dropping #2 (Nagasaki) is kind of a gray area to me. It may have been necessary or may not have been. Ideally, I wish Truman had waited another day or two before doing that. The reactions of Japanese authority were, frankly, confused and inconsistent in the hours immediately following Hiroshima, so it's hard to say if "another round" was needed to force them to surrender.

I think it might have been the "Retribution" book mentioned above, in there it implied that Japan was close to not surrendering even after Nagasaki was hit.
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My understanding was that Japan was not about to surrender until the second bomb was dropped. Then it was "okay, everybody out of the pool."
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(02-23-2015 11:31 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  
(02-23-2015 04:32 PM)Smaug Wrote:  About to start Destiny of the Republic about the assassination of James Garfield. Reviews looked good. I'll update when I've finished it.

intriguing. definitely look forward to reading your thoughts

Haven't started it yet, but here's a little something interesting: One man has been present at the death of two US presidents (both of whom were shot): Robert Todd Lincoln.
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(02-28-2015 12:10 AM)Smaug Wrote:  
(02-23-2015 11:31 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  
(02-23-2015 04:32 PM)Smaug Wrote:  About to start Destiny of the Republic about the assassination of James Garfield. Reviews looked good. I'll update when I've finished it.

intriguing. definitely look forward to reading your thoughts

Haven't started it yet, but here's a little something interesting: One man has been present at the death of two US presidents (both of whom were shot): Robert Todd Lincoln.

And neither of the two assassinations were of his father:

http://knowledgenuts.com/2013/12/07/robe...sinations/
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I know he wasn't president when his father was shot, but I thought he was when he actually died.

I had no idea about McKinley. Damn.
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(02-26-2015 03:59 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(02-26-2015 11:12 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  If you've ever been in one of those "Hiroshima wasn't necessary" arguments, read "Retribution" by Max Hastings. You'll wish we had dropped the big one on Tokyo.
Dropping #1 (Hiroshima) was absolutely justified, IMHO. So much so that not using it would have been wrong.

Dropping #2 (Nagasaki) is kind of a gray area to me. It may have been necessary or may not have been. Ideally, I wish Truman had waited another day or two before doing that. The reactions of Japanese authority were, frankly, confused and inconsistent in the hours immediately following Hiroshima, so it's hard to say if "another round" was needed to force them to surrender.

Even after Nagasaki, the position of the generals was to not surrender. When the emperor gave the signal to surrender, many of the generals committed ritual suicide rather than suffer the dishonor of defeat. It is very likely several million more Japanese, mostly elder, woman and children, would have died in a land invasion.
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Finished Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. Definitely belongs right at the top of my Best Non-Fiction list. It's 1100 pages of in-depth information of Hitler and the Third Reich's calculating rise and horrible (lucky for us) mistakes. Not just continuing to push forward into Russia, but also refusing to properly aid Rommel in his push through north Africa. He was one of the most successful Nazi generals, but Hitler was blinded by continental aspirations and never took north Africa as seriously as he should have. Lack of support eventually allowed the British to throw him back and allow the allies to land and start an assault in Italy. And I'm sure many of you know how Hitler's nonsensical lack of advance towards Dunkirk allowed the British and French to perform a miraculous escape.

I don't know how many of you have the time or desire to read such a lengthy book, but it's worth it.

Went to the library today and picked up Why Nations Fail by Daren Acemoglu
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Finished Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. Definitely belongs right at the top of my Best Non-Fiction list. It's 1100 pages of in-depth information of Hitler and the Third Reich's calculating rise and horrible (lucky for us) mistakes. Not just continuing to push forward into Russia, but also refusing to properly aid Rommel in his push through north Africa. He was one of the most successful Nazi generals, but Hitler was blinded by continental aspirations and never took north Africa as seriously as he should have. Lack of support eventually allowed the British to throw him back and allow the allies to land and start an assault in Italy. And I'm sure many of you know how Hitler's nonsensical lack of advance towards Dunkirk allowed the British and French to perform a miraculous escape.

I don't know how many of you have the time or desire to read such a lengthy book, but it's worth it.

Went to the library today and picked up Why Nations Fail by Daren Acemoglu
03-02-2015 03:44 PM
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