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Would love to hear CSNBBS's perspective on this, considering it's a heavy G5 lean.

BYU is now a P5 counter for ACC schools to schedule OOC.

On the Clemson end our OOC schedules are typically like this:


South Carolina every year home and away (@Clemson even years, @ S. Carolina odd years)
P5 home and home (opposite rotation of S. Carolina series)
FBS home buy game
In state FCS

We have an 81k seat stadium so losing a home game has to A. make us at least as much money as a home game would (roughly $2.5 million) B. gets us exposure in a recruiting area we don't already get exposure C. is a marquee matchup that garners national TV attention or D. a combination of the three.

In the recent past we had series lined up where we would have played at what would now be considered G5 schools. In 2001 we were supposed to start a home and home series with Tulane, but they bought out of the series at the last minute to schedule Southern for the ticket sales at the last minute. In 2006 we were scheduled to play Temple in Philly but they sold the game to Charlotte and we played them there. In 2008 we were supposed to start a series against La Tech in Shreveport but they cancelled the series at the last minute for a series with Army. We wanted the exposure in each of those recruiting areas and was willing to take a loss financially and TV exposure to get it.

In the thread you linked you mentioned Clemson and UCF had been negotiating then Clemson signed the game with Appalachian. I would imagine based upon the info you gave in the thread (UCF was looking for a home game this year) that is your answer. Clemson isn't going to have less than seven home games in a season unless someone is willing to make up the financial difference. We also play FSU every year and the ACC has several FLorida bowls so we get plenty of Florida exposure.

(01-29-2015 04:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  In 2001 we were supposed to start a home and home series with Tulane, but they bought out of the series at the last minute to schedule Southern for the ticket sales at the last minute…

Kaplony, thanks for that info, that is the first time I've ever heard about that… Do you know if those games were originally signed before Bowden left Tulane (December '98) or after?

From the link:

Quote:Boston College: vs. Maine (FCS), vs. Howard (FCS)
Clemson: vs. Wofford (FCS), vs. App State (recently FCS)
FSU: vs. Texas State (recently FCS), vs. Chattanooga (FCS), vs. USF (might as well be FCS, #ChargeOn)
NC State: vs. Troy, vs. Eastern Kentucky (FCS), @ODU, @USA (both recently FCS)
UNC: vs. North Carolina A&T (FCS), vs. Delaware (FCS)

When New Mexico State pulled out, BC needed a home game at the last minute, and it had to be on a certain date - they ended up with Howard (I doubt that's what they would've wanted.
Clemson plays two P5 teams, one G5 and one FCS - I see no problem there. App State needs opponents, too.
FSU is playing USF - you can't rightly expect them to play UCF also.
NC State's schedule has been AWFUL in recent years, but I think this is the last one THIS bad.
UNC had someone pull out on them, but I can't remember who it was.

You might want to check with Aresco as to why we are playing Houston home and away and not UCF/USF.

(01-29-2015 04:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  On the Clemson end our OOC schedules are typically like this:


South Carolina every year home and away (@Clemson even years, @ S. Carolina odd years)
P5 home and home (opposite rotation of S. Carolina series)
FBS home buy game
In state FCS

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OT

As announced today, we appreciate your support of Georgia Southern Athletics. Everyone I have talked to today is genuinely excited and are looking forward to it.

(01-29-2015 04:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:   In the thread you linked you mentioned Clemson and UCF had been negotiating then Clemson signed the game with Appalachian. I would imagine based upon the info you gave in the thread (UCF was looking for a home game this year) that is your answer. Clemson isn't going to have less than seven home games in a season unless someone is willing to make up the financial difference. We also play FSU every year and the ACC has several FLorida bowls so we get plenty of Florida exposure.

This answer is a much better answer than the one I received and makes a lot of sense. Sucks though, that game would have been one for the ages, at least with UCF fans. Would absolutely looooove to get a game with Clemson.

(01-29-2015 04:37 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 04:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  In 2001 we were supposed to start a home and home series with Tulane, but they bought out of the series at the last minute to schedule Southern for the ticket sales at the last minute…

Kaplony, thanks for that info, that is the first time I've ever heard about that… Do you know if those games were originally signed before Bowden left Tulane (December '98) or after?

Pretty sure they were signed after.

Tulane contacted us about flipping the series and starting it in New Orleans. We couldn't accommodate that because we already had a road OOC game at S. Carolina and it would have left us with six home games and Tulane couldn't make up the difference. We thought everything was fine until at the last minute Tulane cancelled the series and signed a game with Southern. We tried to find a IA opponent because we had already used our FCS counter the year before with The Citadel due to another school backing out on us. We were unable to find anybody with an open date that fit at that late of a date so we signed a game with Wofford, buying out a game with a NAIA school (Pikeville or Georgetown I think) for them. We would have missed a bowl that year if it wasn't for 9/11 cancelling that week's games and the NCAA lifting the restriction for that year.

I don't know about now since we are a few regimes removed from then in the Clemson AD but at one time Clemson had blacklisted Tulane for scheduling in any sports because of it.

(01-29-2015 04:50 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 04:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  On the Clemson end our OOC schedules are typically like this:


South Carolina every year home and away (@Clemson even years, @ S. Carolina odd years)
P5 home and home (opposite rotation of S. Carolina series)
FBS home buy game
In state FCS

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OT

As announced today, we appreciate your support of Georgia Southern Athletics. Everyone I have talked to today is genuinely excited and are looking forward to it.

Looking forward to it too. It only makes sense. Been to one Southern football game (vs Furman) and caught a baseball game there a few years back.

This hurts ECU more than any other G5 school. The BYU agreement has further compounded the damage. We were hoping for keeping some sort of scheduling with BYU (have a 2 game series with them) but now they get legitimized as essentially a P5 school by an East Coast conference. Sucks.

(01-29-2015 04:50 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 04:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:   In the thread you linked you mentioned Clemson and UCF had been negotiating then Clemson signed the game with Appalachian. I would imagine based upon the info you gave in the thread (UCF was looking for a home game this year) that is your answer. Clemson isn't going to have less than seven home games in a season unless someone is willing to make up the financial difference. We also play FSU every year and the ACC has several FLorida bowls so we get plenty of Florida exposure.

This answer is a much better answer than the one I received and makes a lot of sense. Sucks though, that game would have been one for the ages, at least with UCF fans. Would absolutely looooove to get a game with Clemson.

UCF is in the same boat as USF and ECU. All of you have large enough stadiums to where you want a home and home but none of you offer exposure in a recruiting area that we aren't already getting enough exposure in. Compounding that is we have a large enough stadium that unlike a UNC or NC State we can attract attractive OOC series for home and homes.

Good news for UCF, USF and ECU: West Virginia needs games in Florida (NC also).
Besides WVU, I'd look at Big Ten teams - they seem to want to recruit in the South, too.
As for ACC teams, Syracuse might be your best target (SU plays @ USF this year, in fact). BC is another good one - they both have small enough stadiums not to worry about 7 home games so much, though they both play in FL and NC already.

(01-29-2015 05:16 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Good news for UCF, USF and ECU: West Virginia needs games in Florida (NC also).
Besides WVU, I'd look at Big Ten teams - they seem to want to recruit in the South, too.
As for ACC teams, Syracuse might be your best target (SU plays @ USF this year, in fact). BC is another good one - they both have small enough stadiums not to worry about 7 home games so much, though they both play in FL and NC already.

Cuse is kinda unique in that Basketball is huge revenue generator...they still want 7 home games or 6 home games + 1 MetLife game.

I see Cuse looking for games versus USF/UCF/FAU/FIU/Tulane and some select Sun Belt/CUSA/MAC/AAC teams in the future. Going forward they will be dumbing down their OOC schedule with 1 Big Boy School, 2 winnable G5 schools and 1 FCS.

(01-30-2015 11:13 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 05:16 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

I see Cuse looking for games versus USF/UCF/FAU/FIU/Tulane and some select Sun Belt/CUSA/MAC/AAC teams in the future. Going forward they will be dumbing down their OOC schedule with 1 Big Boy School, 2 winnable G5 schools and 1 FCS.

that is why they will want FIU and FAU

The bottom 1/3 of ACC is pretty weak and have real problems scheduling acceptable OOC and still winning 6 games.

(01-29-2015 04:45 PM)Dasville Wrote:  You might want to check with Aresco as to why we are playing Houston home and away and not UCF/USF.

That should be a Cincinnati home and away, but I don't blame Louisville for that one. Or anyone for that matter.

(01-29-2015 05:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 04:50 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 04:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:   In the thread you linked you mentioned Clemson and UCF had been negotiating then Clemson signed the game with Appalachian. I would imagine based upon the info you gave in the thread (UCF was looking for a home game this year) that is your answer. Clemson isn't going to have less than seven home games in a season unless someone is willing to make up the financial difference. We also play FSU every year and the ACC has several FLorida bowls so we get plenty of Florida exposure.

This answer is a much better answer than the one I received and makes a lot of sense. Sucks though, that game would have been one for the ages, at least with UCF fans. Would absolutely looooove to get a game with Clemson.

UCF is in the same boat as USF and ECU. All of you have large enough stadiums to where you want a home and home but none of you offer exposure in a recruiting area that we aren't already getting enough exposure in. Compounding that is we have a large enough stadium that unlike a UNC or NC State we can attract attractive OOC series for home and homes.

Cincinnati would do a home and home with Clemson if they want to play in Ohio. 2021 in Cincy and 2022 in Death Valley. Works with both teams' schedules and mostly jives with the scheduling philosophy you presented. Clemson may not want to, but it works as you presented it.

And yes, it still gives Clemson the ability to play 7 home games in 2021. See, this whole scheduling thing isn't so hard!

The P5 Football World is now:

ACC (14 teams)
Big 10 (14 teams)
Big 12 (10 teams)
PAC 12 (12 teams)
SEC (14 teams)
BYU (Independent)
Notre Dame (Independent)

This is a total of 66 teams. I think the real question is does the PAC 12 and Big 12 go to 14 teams? And the other major question is how long will the P5 continue to allow independents to part of the P5?

(01-30-2015 11:13 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 05:16 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Good news for UCF, USF and ECU: West Virginia needs games in Florida (NC also).
Besides WVU, I'd look at Big Ten teams - they seem to want to recruit in the South, too.
As for ACC teams, Syracuse might be your best target (SU plays @ USF this year, in fact). BC is another good one - they both have small enough stadiums not to worry about 7 home games so much, though they both play in FL and NC already.

Cuse is kinda unique in that Basketball is huge revenue generator...they still want 7 home games or 6 home games + 1 MetLife game.

I see Cuse looking for games versus USF/UCF/FAU/FIU/Tulane and some select Sun Belt/CUSA/MAC/AAC teams in the future. Going forward they will be dumbing down their OOC schedule with 1 Big Boy School, 2 winnable G5 schools and 1 FCS.

That's too bad Mark. The one thing that I always respected about cuse was your ooc. You guys never avoided taking on the titians of college football. Even when you guys started selling the big games to NJSEA, at least you were still scheduling the big guys.

(01-31-2015 04:18 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 11:13 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 05:16 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Good news for UCF, USF and ECU: West Virginia needs games in Florida (NC also).
Besides WVU, I'd look at Big Ten teams - they seem to want to recruit in the South, too.
As for ACC teams, Syracuse might be your best target (SU plays @ USF this year, in fact). BC is another good one - they both have small enough stadiums not to worry about 7 home games so much, though they both play in FL and NC already.

Cuse is kinda unique in that Basketball is huge revenue generator...they still want 7 home games or 6 home games + 1 MetLife game.

I see Cuse looking for games versus USF/UCF/FAU/FIU/Tulane and some select Sun Belt/CUSA/MAC/AAC teams in the future. Going forward they will be dumbing down their OOC schedule with 1 Big Boy School, 2 winnable G5 schools and 1 FCS.

That's too bad Mark. The one thing that I always respected about cuse was your ooc. You guys never avoided taking on the titians of college football. Even when you guys started selling the big games to NJSEA, at least you were still scheduling the big guys.

It is reality...you had to play great OOC games in the BE...the ACC has enough name teams coming they can dumb down the OOC. Plus the goal is 3-1 OOC now...maybe 4-0 if an upset happens.