2 Temple AAC 19
10 Tulsa AAC 17
29 SMU AAC 15
29 Tulane AAC 15
42 Connecticut AAC 14
58 Houston AAC 13
79 Cincinnati AAC 12
79 USF AAC 12
100 East Carolina AAC 11
100 Memphis AAC 11
100 Navy AAC 11
121 UCF AAC 9

http://www.philsteele.com/Blogs/2015/JAN15/DBJan05.html

We actually return 10 starters, not that it makes a big difference.

Yeah, not sure where they're getting that information. We return 16 of the starters from our last regular season game, plus two others who were out due to injury.

(01-29-2015 11:23 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Yeah, not sure where they're getting that information. We return 16 of the starters from our last regular season game, plus two others who were out due to injury.

the link goes into detail of what position and offense/defense

3peat

Looks like it depends on what the date of the depth chart was. UC was definitely higher than 12 by the end of the season.

What is considered to be UC's starting rotation can vary depending on how you count players and what you define as starters.

I am guessing Steele counted the TE as a starting posiition and only counted three receivers. However, usually ran out of a 4 wide set and used the TE sparingly. Steele is counting three returning starters at this position group where the real answer is four.

At RB he is considering Rod Moore the starter from last year. Rod will not return but UC will return Hosey Williams who was the #1 starter to begin the season before the season. Moreover, he is not counting Mike Boone who logged the most carries the second half of the season who will also be back.

On the offensive line, I am guessing he is counting Korey Keebler as losses even though Keebler only played half way through the season and we return the lineman who replaced him.

He is also likely counting Howard Wilder as a loss at corner even though we will return Adrian Witty for a sixth year who would have been a starter last year if not for injury.

ECU's numbers will always be low like this just because of the rotation factor we employ. Every year Ruff has been here has been the same.

I count 13, not 10, 14 if you count one of the RB, 15 with the punter.

I suspect SMU will have several new faces in the starting line up with Chad Morris running the offense, and a new defense.

Are Brunson and Stanley counted as returning starters for ECU. Brunson started before getting injured. Stanley was a returning starter from 2013 that never played because of injury.

(01-29-2015 12:35 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  I count 13, not 10, 14 if you count one of the RB, 15 with the punter.

I don't think the information is wrong for the way he did it (who got the majority of the starts in 2014 at a position and are they returning?) but I'm sure every team can make a case that the number is off.

Offense - 6 returning starters
QB Shane Carden
RB Breon Allen
OWR Cam Worthy
IWR Justin Hardy
LT Ike Harris
LG Quincy McKinney
C Taylor Hudson
RG J.T. Boyd
RT Dontae Levingston
IWR Isaiah Jones
OWR Grayson


Defense - 5 returning starters
DE Jonathan White
NT Terry Williams
DE Chrishon Rose
OLB Montese Overton
ILB Zeek Bigger
ILB Brandon Williams
OLB Maurice Falls
CB Joshua Hawkins
FS Dominique Lennon
SS Lamar Ivey
CB Detric Allen

Total - 11 returning starters

But then for those of us who follow the team you might want to add in Bryce Williams who is listed at TE/WR on the roster and had 5 starts in 2014. Presley had 5 starts at DE. Stanley started every game on the defensive line in 2013 but was out with injury in 2014. Tre Robertson had 5 starts on the O Line in 2014 and 6 in 2013. Struyk started 8 games at C in 2013 and lost his starting job in 2014 after an injury at the end of 2013. The Pirates return 17 players who made starts in 2014, and 21 players who have been starters at some point while at ECU. I'm sure every team could make that argument though.

Returning starters doesn't tell the whole story but it does paint a picture, and for the way he did it (which seems like the most logical way) it does correctly portray ECU's situation IMO.

Better calculation would be multiply number of games played by 11 on defense and 11 on offense and those would give you total starts on both sides of the field.

Under those conditions USF 12 games times 11 starters = 132 total starts on offense and defense .

Returning on Defense 90 starts so 68%
Returning on offense 69 starts so 52%

(01-29-2015 04:02 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Better calculation would be multiply number of games played by 11 on defense and 11 on offense and those would give you total starts on both sides of the field.

Under those conditions USF 12 games times 11 starters = 132 total starts on offense and defense .

Returning on Defense 90 starts so 68%
Returning on offense 69 starts so 52%

ECU returns:
83 of 143 starts on offense: 58%
67 of 143 starts on defense: 47%

We had a DE who was a full time starter in 2013 who missed the 2014 season so if you were to figure him as a starter in 2014 it would be 56% on defense. I know that's not really how it works but seeing as 2 years ago he started over the 2014 starter it makes sense. I'm sure other teams have similar situations they can point to.

(01-29-2015 04:02 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Better calculation would be multiply number of games played by 11 on defense and 11 on offense and those would give you total starts on both sides of the field.

Under those conditions USF 12 games times 11 starters = 132 total starts on offense and defense .

Returning on Defense 90 starts so 68%
Returning on offense 69 starts so 52%

That could be a way to count anyone who started a game...but many times during the season, back-ups have to start because of injuries (or off-the-field problems) so I could see how Steele didn't count them as full-time starters coming back.

(01-29-2015 05:48 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 04:02 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Better calculation would be multiply number of games played by 11 on defense and 11 on offense and those would give you total starts on both sides of the field.

Under those conditions USF 12 games times 11 starters = 132 total starts on offense and defense .

Returning on Defense 90 starts so 68%
Returning on offense 69 starts so 52%

That could be a way to count anyone who started a game...but many times during the season, back-ups have to start because of injuries (or off-the-field problems) so I could see how Steele didn't count them as full-time starters coming back.

So what's a full starter? 6 games? As the ECU fan said earlier do you not count a starter from year before that might have been injured last year?

I'm fine with having plenty of kids that have started or played because that experience can't be beat.

(01-29-2015 04:02 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Better calculation would be multiply number of games played by 11 on defense and 11 on offense and those would give you total starts on both sides of the field.

Under those conditions USF 12 games times 11 starters = 132 total starts on offense and defense .

Returning on Defense 90 starts so 68%
Returning on offense 69 starts so 52%

This is pretty close to what phill steele has anyway

68% of the starting 11 is approximately 7 players returning on defense
52% of the starting 11 is approximately 5 or 6 players returning on defense

So 12 or 13 returning starters depending on how you look at it. Essentially the same numbers Steele had but he just didn't get all fancy with it.

Let me see if I can predict who will replace whom among our losses.

QB - Justin Holman
RB - William Stanback / Dontravious Wilson
LT - Torrian Wilson ---> ???
LG - I really have no idea who was on the Line consistently.
C - Neither Jason Rae nor Jordan Grant will be at Center I hear
RG - Tarik Milner --->???
RT - Leeroy Jenkins.
TE - Justin Tukes - Kevin Miller? Cal Bloom?
WR Go - Breshad Perriman - Jordan Akins
WR Spd - Josh Reese / Rannel Hall - Tre'Quan Smith / Tristan Payton?
WR Slot - JJ Worton - Taylor Oldham / Pete DiNovo (yes that Pete DiNovo)


LE - Miles Pace
LT - Jaryl Mamea - Jamiyus Pittman
RT - Demetrius Anderson
RE - Thomas Niles
OLB - Troy Gray - Jordan Franks? Domenic Spencer? Chequan Burkett?
MLB - Terrance Plummer - Errol Clarke? Justin McDonald?
NB - Rotating - Jordan Franks?
DB - Jacoby Glenn - Kyle Gibson?
DB - Jordan Ozerites - Michael Rogers? DJ Killings? Chris Williams?
SS - Clayton Geathers - Drico Johnson?
FS - Brandon Alexander - honestly im just guessing at this point.

(01-29-2015 12:41 PM)Kandy Atz Wrote:  I suspect SMU will have several new faces in the starting line up with Chad Morris running the offense, and a new defense.

I have similar thoughts with Tulsa & our new coach. Also, when you had horrible seasons, like Tulsa & SMU both had, I'm not sure you want 15 or 17 returning starters !

(01-29-2015 06:09 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 05:48 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 04:02 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Better calculation would be multiply number of games played by 11 on defense and 11 on offense and those would give you total starts on both sides of the field.

Under those conditions USF 12 games times 11 starters = 132 total starts on offense and defense .

Returning on Defense 90 starts so 68%
Returning on offense 69 starts so 52%

That could be a way to count anyone who started a game...but many times during the season, back-ups have to start because of injuries (or off-the-field problems) so I could see how Steele didn't count them as full-time starters coming back.

So what's a full starter? 6 games? As the ECU fan said earlier do you not count a starter from year before that might have been injured last year?

I'm fine with having plenty of kids that have started or played because that experience can't be beat.

Then to add to that, ECU. Rotates WR's and RB's like crazy, the starters and their back-ups play about the same number of snaps each game. Heck even some of our 3rd string WR's play.

I don't like the returning starter thing outside the QB and O-line as they don't sub. Just about every other position on every team does. In today's game, the 2nd stringers for most teams play almost as much as the "starters".

I like to look at the number of snaps played, harder to find and longer to tabulate.