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(01-30-2015 12:23 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  What's the best occupation to precede a career as a slimy politician?



OOH, OOH, pick me, pick me!

Slimy lawyer? 02-13-banana


Actually, not really. These GA guys (and gals?) come from all kinds of backgrounds, and being a Teacher of Government probably means you are a student of government as well. So I'd suspect he's plenty qualified and he's been at it a long time, as he's now the Majority leader.

That said, not a big fan of this legislation he's pushing, cause like HMK, if the State is cutting as drastically as it has in such a relatively short period of time, where's the money to come from? Restore the funding to previous levels and we can probably wipe out "Student Fees" altogether.

Why do I not expect that to happen?
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(01-30-2015 01:57 PM)Potomac Wrote:  Alright bdk, time for a math equation.

New law limits us to 70% fees as an Fcs school. Current percent is 78.81.
70/78.81=.888

Multiply .888x$1,332 current fees = $1,183.10.
$1332-1183.10= $148.90

That is irrelevant to what I responded to. Someone said students would chose to pay $148 to go to a a school that offers athletics. I pointed out that JMU students are paying $1332 to do that.
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(01-30-2015 12:23 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  What's the best occupation to precede a career as a slimy politician?

(01-30-2015 09:15 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  Hyper, you specifically said what is the best career prior to politics, this isn't the case, but I'd like to see a mixture. We need some business accounting and on the opposite end some marketing people, we need some teachers who understand working for the public, we need some career military people, the one's we need few of are those who've done nothing but politics. But most of all we need people who appreciate the opportunity to serve for a decade or so and then go back to what they were previously doing.

Yeah, I was just wondering what career prepares you to be a politician. Apparently, being a "school teacher" (as opposed to what other kind of teacher??) renders you completely unqualified to do anything as complicated as politics. I agree with your ideas about public service for a decade at most, then back to private sector is a great way to have politicians we could be proud of. Unfortunately, career politicians are the norm. And honestly, every career politician ever is a dirtbag. Maybe it's a dirtbag who supports your point of view, but they're a damn dirtbag all the same. You can't survive a career in politics without getting dirty.


(01-30-2015 02:36 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  OOH, OOH, pick me, pick me!

Slimy lawyer? 02-13-banana

Actually, not really. These GA guys (and gals?) come from all kinds of backgrounds, and being a Teacher of Government probably means you are a student of government as well. So I'd suspect he's plenty qualified and he's been at it a long time, as he's now the Majority leader.

That said, not a big fan of this legislation he's pushing, cause like HMK, if the State is cutting as drastically as it has in such a relatively short period of time, where's the money to come from? Restore the funding to previous levels and we can probably wipe out "Student Fees" altogether.

Why do I not expect that to happen?

I don't have any beef with a former history/government teacher as a politician. Hell, what other jobs include greater understanding of all the functions of government in society? I would say maybe some actual government work is the only job where you might feel better prepared. Lawyers & government contractors as politicians are the worst. May they all die in a grease fire.
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(01-30-2015 03:02 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 12:23 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  What's the best occupation to precede a career as a slimy politician?

(01-30-2015 09:15 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  Hyper, you specifically said what is the best career prior to politics, this isn't the case, but I'd like to see a mixture. We need some business accounting and on the opposite end some marketing people, we need some teachers who understand working for the public, we need some career military people, the one's we need few of are those who've done nothing but politics. But most of all we need people who appreciate the opportunity to serve for a decade or so and then go back to what they were previously doing.

Yeah, I was just wondering what career prepares you to be a politician. Apparently, being a "school teacher" (as opposed to what other kind of teacher??) renders you completely unqualified to do anything as complicated as politics. I agree with your ideas about public service for a decade at most, then back to private sector is a great way to have politicians we could be proud of. Unfortunately, career politicians are the norm. And honestly, every career politician ever is a dirtbag. Maybe it's a dirtbag who supports your point of view, but they're a damn dirtbag all the same. You can't survive a career in politics without getting dirty.


(01-30-2015 02:36 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  OOH, OOH, pick me, pick me!

Slimy lawyer? 02-13-banana

Actually, not really. These GA guys (and gals?) come from all kinds of backgrounds, and being a Teacher of Government probably means you are a student of government as well. So I'd suspect he's plenty qualified and he's been at it a long time, as he's now the Majority leader.

That said, not a big fan of this legislation he's pushing, cause like HMK, if the State is cutting as drastically as it has in such a relatively short period of time, where's the money to come from? Restore the funding to previous levels and we can probably wipe out "Student Fees" altogether.

Why do I not expect that to happen?

I don't have any beef with a former history/government teacher as a politician. Hell, what other jobs include greater understanding of all the functions of government in society? I would say maybe some actual government work is the only job where you might feel better prepared. Lawyers & government contractors as politicians are the worst. May they all die in a grease fire.


Oh, I knew YOU didn't have any problem with it, I got what you were responding to. I meant my response in much the same way you responded to BP's post. Nothing about being a Teacher would preclude most from being an effective legislator. Hell my own Mom a few years ago would've run circles around most of the clowns in these offices.
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hyper are you a teacher or a school teacher?
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(01-30-2015 10:11 AM)JMaddy Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 08:44 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  honest question. Anyone on here have any knowledge of the inner workings of the way development is run? sounds like everybody knows someone who's never been contacted about giving ever since they left JMU. On the other hand there's those of us who give and still get contacted about giving too. So, what are some real world factors that account for people being left off the list after graduation? Is it bad contact information, the cost of mailings, poor information systems, not enough people to make the phone calls, etc. I mean, if the system is broke, and it seems that there is room for improvement, what needs to change?

I don't know the inner workings of JMU but a couple of things stand out in your question. First is the reason we all get multiple requests for donations is that since we donate already we have sort of self-identified ourselves as willing contributors. One pillar of getting donations is to go to the people already contributing and ask them to give more; more frequently and more $$$, and more through donating to new 'causes' or initiatives. (e.g. you donate to Duke Club how about also the Madison Fund?). It is the best way to really jump in numbers because people who are already giving are much more likely to move up to the next level than say a new donator from the outside.

However that doesn't solve the other big pillar of increasing donations which is EXPAND THE BASE. So this is where JMU is failing and failing miserably. As an example, you have 1000 solid donators all at the Silver level, while I have 3000 with a mix of people from Paw to Silver. Initially you might be getting more money but eventually I will surpass you, and do it many times over. Why? Because I have a large base which I can grow (per my earlier paragraph) AND I have also ‘recession proofed’ my donations. If we both see a 25% attrition due to personal finances or lack of interest, it is going to crush you numbers as you lose 250 strong contributors, for me I lose a higher number, 750 people, but likely again they are a mix so some of those hits aren’t as bad. Plus I can go to the other remaining people and ask them to up their contributions and more easily cover for the loss, even if only a small percentage is willing to make the jump, while you would need a big increase by most of your remaining group to cover for that loss.

Which gets to the final point; if JMU is waiting until people have graduated to start asking for donations they've already lost the battle for expanding the base. Sure they will get the dedicated people like those of us on the board, and the fairweather fans, but they won't get the life long contributors that they could have from a much larger percentage. Remember, once you're in you're hooked! So the key is getting as many people in up front as possible. There are many ways to do this and I am by no means an expert on that but if that is their job they can surely think of some ways.

The USC example was a good one. Another would be the kids love swag on their graduation gowns, how about give donors who sign up for $120 (in $10/mo credit card increments) the ability to wear a special pin or rope with their gown that they ‘buy’ at the bookstore by signing up to be a donor. Another would be the JMU job placement services, if a student wants to use it they agree to sign up to start donating at that $120 that kicks in once they are placed with a post graduate job. Once they’re in I’ve got ‘em!. The next year ask them to up it to $15, then $20, then $30, and explain how your donation is helping the next years grads get the same or better services. Make it a symbiotic relationship, you help us we’ll help you and the next generation of JMU alums.

And I just thought of those in the last few minutes in between meetings. Hopefully our people responsible for getting actual donations can get creative and think of simple ways to get more people to donate, relying on human nature which means people will do something if 1) it makes them look good 2) if it is 'popular' 3) if they feel shame if they don't.

nice post.
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(01-30-2015 05:42 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  hyper are you a teacher or a school teacher?


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(01-30-2015 07:15 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 05:42 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  hyper are you a teacher or a school teacher?

This is where I teach.

Where is the bell?
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I remember several years ago reading that California had to cut spending on education to increase spending on prison security. Seems bass ackwards to me, but I'm sure there are more factors to consider.
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(01-30-2015 10:02 AM)DolleyMadison Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 09:55 AM)Bogey Wrote:  
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(01-30-2015 06:56 AM)Potomac Wrote:  Just an fyi. assuming that this were to result in only a straight cut in the student fee and the athletic budget, this bill will be saving a JMU student a whopping $148 a year.
Damn, he's really making a difference in those student loan payments!

but it sounds so so so so good.

While $148 clearly is not a huge number, I believe the legislature is sending a message regarding the amounts that students should be forced to pay in order to subsidize college sports. If you could see the number of current students renting books instead of buying them, you might change your opinion regarding the significance of $148 time four years.

I don't disagree with you about the amount of money students are required to pay in order to subsidize college athletics (which benefit not only the hundreds of student-athletes JMU has but indirectly impacts all areas of the university), but that argument could be used about multiple areas on campus.

Why did students have to fund the performing arts center that would have been funded by largely private donations at other universities? Why do students have to fund doubling the size of UREC? Why do students have to fund the ridiculously (and over the top) dining facilities on campus? Why do students have to fund the enormous landscaping costs I heard student-ambassadors talk about when I toured there as a high school student?

Again, not that I disagree with you but students are funding a lot of things that don't fall under academic curriculum and all are benefiting the greater good of JMU. I have no issue with JMU requiring high student fees as long as the over all cost of attendance is on par with other schools (which it is, if not lower), and the investment in athletics is improving things like student life, alumni/community engagement, and most of all the student-athletes that are active within the athletic program.

Why weren't students asked to fund the new Chem and Bio building? Or the new Physics and Nursing facilities? Same reason as the Forbes. It's an academic facility, and is 100% run by the College of Visual and Performing Arts to serve the students in those majors. The reason performing arts venues at other schools are often paid for by something other than state General funds (take The Patriot Center at GMU as one example) is because The Patriot is (first and foremost) a roadhouse for traveling entertainers, and only superficially serves the academic needs of students in the performing arts disciplines. In essence, The Patriot is an Auxillary enterprise, and paid for and run on the other side of the ledger from where tuition dollars are accounted for to support the school's academic mission (such as faculty and staff salaries). And while we're on the topic, food services are also an Auxillary enterprise, and as such are a self-supporting operation, like dorms. But you can argue that students don't need such fancy-pants bells and whistles like air conditioned dorms and good campus food options. Then again, choosing not to provide excellent teaching facilities for all majors, attractive campus grounds, and superior dorms and food service options kinda does away with many of the basic elements that makes JMU special, does it not?

But carry on...
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All I know is that my donation to stay in P Lot is going up from $500 to $575! 15% increase. Don't know about ticket prices, yet. I guess that will help bridge the gap some.
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(01-30-2015 10:03 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  All I know is that my donation to stay in P Lot is going up from $500 to $575! 15% increase. Don't know about ticket prices, yet. I guess that will help bridge the gap some.

Didn't you have a space in Godwin? Quite a step down.
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So how does JMU find $3,000,000, stay compliant with Title IX and protect men’s basketball and football from cuts.

Cutting scholarships ; so eliminate all scholarships to baseball, soccer, golf, and tennis = approximately 30 scholarships; so with the 60/40 proportionals of female to men, then JMU can eliminate approximately 24 female scholarships which equals 54 scholarships that can be cut and not touch football or basketball. 54 times 20,000 = $1, 080,000. Now all JMU has to find is an additional $2,000,000.

Can we find the $2,000,000 by cutting assistant coaches, academic counseling for athletes, athletic administration salaries? how much can we save we can bus our football team to New England the same way Alcorn State came to Harrisonburg? Do we really need video recorder position for the men’s basketball team or an associate athletic trainer for football?

Unless donations rise, I see no way to protect men’s and women’s basketball and football.
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(01-31-2015 01:42 AM)HMK Wrote:  So how does JMU find $3,000,000, stay compliant with Title IX and protect men’s basketball and football from cuts.

Cutting scholarships ; so eliminate all scholarships to baseball, soccer, golf, and tennis = approximately 30 scholarships; so with the 60/40 proportionals of female to men, then JMU can eliminate approximately 24 female scholarships which equals 54 scholarships that can be cut and not touch football or basketball. 54 times 20,000 = $1, 080,000. Now all JMU has to find is an additional $2,000,000.

Can we find the $2,000,000 by cutting assistant coaches, academic counseling for athletes, athletic administration salaries? how much can we save we can bus our football team to New England the same way Alcorn State came to Harrisonburg? Do we really need video recorder position for the men’s basketball team or an associate athletic trainer for football?

Unless donations rise, I see no way to protect men’s and women’s basketball and football.


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(01-30-2015 11:46 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 10:03 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  All I know is that my donation to stay in P Lot is going up from $500 to $575! 15% increase. Don't know about ticket prices, yet. I guess that will help bridge the gap some.

Didn't you have a space in Godwin? Quite a step down.

Actually. we like P lot better. Got the end spot with tons of grass and trees and it makes a great tailgate spot. If it rains we are parked on hard surface. Stop by sometime.
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(01-31-2015 07:38 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 11:46 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 10:03 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  All I know is that my donation to stay in P Lot is going up from $500 to $575! 15% increase. Don't know about ticket prices, yet. I guess that will help bridge the gap some.

Didn't you have a space in Godwin? Quite a step down.

Actually. we like P lot better. Got the end spot with tons of grass and trees and it makes a great tailgate spot. If it rains we are parked on hard surface. Stop by sometime.

I'm sure BSKB was trying to motivate others to step up and humbly presented himself to show that its easy to make a small increase in support. I have no idea what his gifts are to JMU, but he wouldn't be getting such an early selection had he not stepped up to the plate as he normally does.

Many people prefer P Lot, and I would venture he has many reason's for the change and none were related to his support of JMU. Many down on Godwin Field, locate themselves there to make a statement (and that's okay) rather than as their preferred tailgate spot.

Even if I were a major contributor, I would still park in the CONVO lot. I simply cannot get to the games in time to set up a grand tailgate, in addition, parking there has me on 81 South within 10 minutes of starting my car. No other lot can do this.
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I was curious if he clipped his donations from Godwin to p lot level. If someone as vested as he is drops donations, we're screwed.

And I agree about Godwin. I've done Godwin, and I much prefer Hanson.
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(01-31-2015 08:51 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I was curious if he clipped his donations from Godwin to p lot level. If someone as vested as he is drops donations, we're screwed.

And I agree about Godwin. I've done Godwin, and I much prefer Hanson.

That's cool. I can see some positives about Hanson vs Godwin Field as well. One, when it rains its no where near the mess Godwin becomes. Two, if you have kids, its much more kid friendly with space for them to move about. I would venture to guess its easier to get in and out. I'm sure there are many other positives that I am not aware of.
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(01-31-2015 08:43 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(01-31-2015 07:38 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 11:46 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 10:03 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  All I know is that my donation to stay in P Lot is going up from $500 to $575! 15% increase. Don't know about ticket prices, yet. I guess that will help bridge the gap some.

Didn't you have a space in Godwin? Quite a step down.

Actually. we like P lot better. Got the end spot with tons of grass and trees and it makes a great tailgate spot. If it rains we are parked on hard surface. Stop by sometime.

I'm sure BSKB was trying to motivate others to step up and humbly presented himself to show that its easy to make a small increase in support. I have no idea what his gifts are to JMU, but he wouldn't be getting such an early selection had he not stepped up to the plate as he normally does.

Many people prefer P Lot, and I would venture he has many reason's for the change and none were related to his support of JMU. Many down on Godwin Field, locate themselves there to make a statement (and that's okay) rather than as their preferred tailgate spot.

Even if I were a major contributor, I would still park in the CONVO lot. I simply cannot get to the games in time to set up a grand tailgate, in addition, parking there has me on 81 South within 10 minutes of starting my car. No other lot can do this.

C4 is the fastest lot to 81. Easy in and easy out.
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(01-31-2015 07:38 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 11:46 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(01-30-2015 10:03 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  All I know is that my donation to stay in P Lot is going up from $500 to $575! 15% increase. Don't know about ticket prices, yet. I guess that will help bridge the gap some.

Didn't you have a space in Godwin? Quite a step down.

Actually. we like P lot better. Got the end spot with tons of grass and trees and it makes a great tailgate spot. If it rains we are parked on hard surface. Stop by sometime.

BSKB has the "corner lot" over there...lots of space to spread out and set up teepees. Good shade and close to the purple and gold facilities too.
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